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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html
This board could learn a thing or two from this article
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Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. Savage
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Well they're certainly smarter than conservatives LMAO
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wackyteen posted...
NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
Who is John Galt?
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>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck
Haha, take that liberals. |
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Disrespector posted...
Well they're certainly smarter than conservatives LMAO
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. damn |
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. https://imgur.com/9Lk0Xjp
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Soviet_Poland posted...
>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck Liberals quite often and quite loudly voice their opinions on why Republicans suck. Fair play honestly |
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LittleScootaIoo posted...
This article did not go over well on Resetera. I imagine it went over about as well as Maggie Haberman's defense of Sarah-Hucka-Sanders, after the White House correspondence dinner.
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Pro incel anti liberal.
Way to be nyt
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Am I right in thinking the article is just conservative virtue signaling with no real purpose but to further drive a wedge between the multiple politically-based cultures of our country?
That's the sense that I get from the headline at least. It usually doesn't motivate me that much to read an article that "pre-opens" up with an attack on my political beliefs.
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Well no one is.
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Vyrulisse posted...
Soviet_Poland posted...>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck I mean, sure. But who cares about either sides opinion when it basically comes with so much bias? |
It’s one thing to police your own language and a very different one to police other people’s. Liberals can act as if they’re not so certain — and maybe actually not be so certain — that bigotry motivates people who disagree with them on issues like immigration. Without sacrificing their principles, liberals can come across as more respectful of others. Self-righteousness is rarely attractive, and even more rarely rewarded. Liberals are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. When they use their positions in American culture to lecture, judge and disdain, they push more people into an opposing coalition that liberals are increasingly prone to think of as deplorable. That only validates their own worst prejudices about the other America. Well said.
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tl;dr: guy is still real butthurt about the white house correspondents roast
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ah yes, blaming liberals for trump
how refreshing
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And no one disagreeing actually read the article.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
It’s one thing to police your own language and a very different one to police other people’s.Liberals can act as if they’re not so certain — and maybe actually not be so certain — that bigotry motivates people who disagree with them on issues like immigration. Without sacrificing their principles, liberals can come across as more respectful of others. Self-righteousness is rarely attractive, and even more rarely rewarded.Liberals are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. When they use their positions in American culture to lecture, judge and disdain, they push more people into an opposing coalition that liberals are increasingly prone to think of as deplorable. That only validates their own worst prejudices about the other America. Lmao. It'd be well side if he didn't pretend it didn't apply to the side he's on. As is it's just more stupid biased bs.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
It’s one thing to police your own language and a very different one to police other people’s.Liberals can act as if they’re not so certain — and maybe actually not be so certain — that bigotry motivates people who disagree with them on issues like immigration. Without sacrificing their principles, liberals can come across as more respectful of others. Self-righteousness is rarely attractive, and even more rarely rewarded.Liberals are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. When they use their positions in American culture to lecture, judge and disdain, they push more people into an opposing coalition that liberals are increasingly prone to think of as deplorable. That only validates their own worst prejudices about the other America. Every one of those points can be launched right back at the conservative mindset. They project too hard for any sort of criticism levied at others to be truly meaningful.
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"Well said" would imply it says anything other than "Liberals don't agree with me so I'm going to say they're wrong". This guy took generic complaints about people of a certain political mindset and prettied them up with longer polysyllabic words without attempting to actually get into any of the issues.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
And no one disagreeing actually read the article. It's hard to take someone seriously when they try to seriously and unironically use words like "Conservatives" and "Liberals" in opinion pieces like this. That to me is the ultimate indicator that what they're about to say amounts to some of the most sensationalized, exaggerated and generalized viewpoints on the planet. I find it to be simplistic, manipulative and sometimes (like in cases like this) downright dangerous regardless of which side is doing it.
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So the argument against those three lines is "conservatives do it too"
ok
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Damn_Underscore posted...
So the argument against those three lines is "conservatives do it too" Well said.
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Hexenherz posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...So the argument against those three lines is "conservatives do it too" thx
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The kind of smug dismissiveness of valid criticism by liberals in this topic is exactly why this article was written.
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_Near_ posted...
ah yes, blaming liberals for trump Funny reasoning too. Implying their candidate is a punishment. |
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Soviet_Poland posted...
_Near_ posted...ah yes, blaming liberals for trump anything to avoid taking responsibility for the dumpster fire white house, lol
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The Admiral posted...
The kind of smug dismissiveness of valid criticism by liberals in this topic is exactly why this article was written. Hey look another right winger who's too biased to realize he's making a statement that applies to both sides. Shocking.
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CanuckCowboy posted...
The Admiral posted...The kind of smug dismissiveness of valid criticism by liberals in this topic is exactly why this article was written. Suddenly you guys think a "both sides!!" deflection is a valid response. LOL. Where is Doom Art to spam his meme?
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Lol with the reaction here I can only imagine how bad it is on Neogaf 2.0
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. Neither can Professor Oak Checkmate, Blue |
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. https://imgur.com/6RmRHaU
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. No that's a problem Strawman have.
No sig.
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The Admiral posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...The Admiral posted...show hidden quote(s) ... ... ... Eh sure whatever floats yer boat buds.
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"Don't assume the worst of people" seems to be the only solid thing to take away from the article, which is good all around advice, I guess.
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. oh shit |
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Damn_Underscore posted...
So the argument against those three lines is "conservatives do it too" We had the very same defense lobbied against liberals not two pages back in this topic
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Liberals think they’re smarter than conservatives but they always go to the “conservatives do that too!” line when their partisanship and tribal mentality is made apparent. If they were actually emotionally intelligent they would own up to the faults of their own party and try to fix them instead of constantly strawmanning how dumb conservatives are. But I don’t see that happening, precisely because they aren’t all that intelligent
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Seems like some of the liberals are getting upset over this article.
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Kazi1212 posted...
Liberals think they’re smarter than conservatives but they always go to the “conservatives do that too!” line when their partisanship and tribal mentality is made apparent. If they were actually emotionally intelligent they would own up to the faults of their own party and try to fix them instead of constantly strawmanning how dumb conservatives are. But I don’t see that happening, precisely because they aren’t all that intelligent Look its a bunch of meaningless generalizations about how people perceive themselves disguised as some type of somehow valid rebuttal. Cool beans.
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Shallow and pedantic
You choc-blocked me, bro
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Damn_Underscore posted...
And no one disagreeing actually read the article. I did and I want my two minutes back. It isn't saying anything profound. I've met smug conservatives too. I don't disagree it's a stereotype that liberals can have a holier than thou attitude. To claim it drives people to the other side though implies those people are making emotional judgements irrespective of the facts, and possibly, against one's best interests. It's saying, "you might be right, but I don't like you as a person, so I'm going to be your antithesis, for better or for worse." The Admiral posted... The kind of smug dismissiveness of valid criticism by liberals in this topic is exactly why this article was written. It's also a two-way street. I often get conservatives on this board ignoring when I advocate for a more moderate position, when they're interested in just citing the most extreme and outlandish examples of liberal thought. It's also frustrating when certain issues that shouldn't be controversial are. These usually tend to be scientific topics. But if I advocate for certain scientific findings, I'll be lumped into the category of smug liberal and also presumed to have certain beliefs about social or economic policies that I might be more sympathetic to the debate than I'd be given credit for. So ehhh, forgive me if I think this is a juvenile opinion piece. |
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CanuckCowboy posted...
The Admiral posted...CanuckCowboy posted...show hidden quote(s) Yeah not worth it to engage with that one imo you're just gonna get a lot of annoying, thoughtless automatic responses like that.
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I won't be lectured to by this university professor. I have no option but to take the opposite view of his because I'm merely a passive reaction to elite smugness and not a person with a mind of my own and all the responsibility that comes with that. Seriously these kinds of articles and comments are so demeaning.
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Kazi1212 posted...
Liberals think they’re smarter than conservatives but they always go to the “conservatives do that too!” line when their partisanship and tribal mentality is made apparent. If they were actually emotionally intelligent they would own up to the faults of their own party and try to fix them instead of constantly strawmanning how dumb conservatives are. But I don’t see that happening, precisely because they aren’t all that intelligent 
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The flip side of this is that the writer is only admonishing us about this because she is aware of our standards and knows modern conservatives are ideologically bankrupt beyond simple opposition, despite their controlling every branch of government.
That's why we're harder on liberalism with it's weak PR than we are on conservative hypocrisy, corruption, kleptocracy, lack of empathy, willful ignorance, racism, etc. We have expectations for one side we no longer have for the other. Personally, I think he's wrong. Someone who would throw a vote in protest clearly values their feelings over the issues apparently at stake in the vote, something fundamentally irrational, or they don't know, in which case they are (often willfully) ignorant. The article thinks we need to handle these individuals with kids gloves instead of chastising them for being childish and holding them to literally any standard. It's appeasement. If the 20th century has taught us anything about appeasement, it's that it doesn't work.
Ignorance is a choice
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NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are. okay, this is actually pretty damn funny
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NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
Gawd dauuumThis article summarized IMO:
Some liberals treat people who disagree with them as inferiors. This matters because many of these liberals are celebrities or have influential positions and their words and opinions are heard by and matter to a lot of people.
The problem is that this "holier than thou" attitude is very off-putting, and no matter how many times you shout "racist!" you're not going to get anyone on your side. In fact, you'll only drive people away. Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
So if you don't want that, change your ways.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeThe Admiral posted...CanuckCowboy posted...
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Hey look another right winger who's too biased to realize he's making a statement that applies to both sides. Shocking.
Suddenly you guys think a "both sides!!" deflection is a valid response. LOL. Where is Doom Art to spam his meme?
Does this mean you acknowledge that deflection is a bullshit response? We're finally making progress if you do so"The other side does it too!" is not a valid defense to continue actions you tell others are wrong.You ain't gotta like me
You just mad cuz I tell it how it is and you tell it how it might bebut I thought the new york times was fake newsDamn_Underscore posted...The problem is that this "holier than thou" attitude is very off-putting, and no matter how many times you shout "racist!" you're not going to get anyone on your side. In fact, you'll only drive people away. Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
So if you don't want that, change your ways.
I like how it's always the liberals who have to change while the conservatives can just keep on being shitheads and that's okayI like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson
i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif"liberals have to be nice to Trumpeters but Trumpeters are allowed to continue being obnoxious to liberals."
yeah, fuck thathollow_shrine posted...That's why we're harder on liberalism with it's weak PR than we are on conservative hypocrisy, corruption, kleptocracy, lack of empathy, willful ignorance, racism, etc. We have expectations for one side we no longer have for the other.
u serious bro?
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Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeThe Great Muta 22 posted...Kazi1212 posted...
Liberals think they’re smarter than conservatives but they always go to the “conservatives do that too!” line when their partisanship and tribal mentality is made apparent. If they were actually emotionally intelligent they would own up to the faults of their own party and try to fix them instead of constantly strawmanning how dumb conservatives are. But I don’t see that happening, precisely because they aren’t all that intelligent
If liberals think of themselves as smarter than conservatives, why are they comparing their own actions to what conservatives do with statements like “conservatives do that too!”? I thought you guys were smarter, saying that just shows liberals are dumb as conservativesI don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"HylianFox posted...I like how it's always the liberals who have to change while the conservatives can just keep on being shitheads and that's okay
"It's okay if you're a Republican" has been their mantra since Reagan, no way they change that nowDamn_Underscore posted...Real life summarized IMO:
Some people treat other people who disagree with them as inferiors. This matters because many of these people are celebrities or have influential positions and their words and opinions are heard by and matter to a lot of people.
The problem is that this "holier than thou" attitude is very off-putting, and no matter how many times you shout "racist!" you're not going to get anyone on your side. In fact, you'll only drive people away. Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
So if you don't want that, change your ways.
FTFY
I mean seriously dude do you really see this as a black and white issue where "half the population is liberal" and "half the population is conservative"?
Do you realize how harmful this generalizing speech is, how divisive it is?RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 94/99 Fishing.Liberals must think they're innately better than conservatives if they're allowed to pull the same crap, but excuse it.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
Current e-argument streak: 15008 wins. 0 losses.NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
Conservatives can't even tell when they are being conned by a sapient cheeto.Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand.
Sampson, TerrordactylKazi1212 posted...If liberals think of themselves as smarter than conservatives, why are they comparing their own actions to what conservatives do with statements like “conservatives do that too!”? I thought you guys were smarter, saying that just shows liberals are dumb as conservatives
I don't think of myself smarter than a broad group of people nor do I think I'm an expert on everything, as that'd be completely fucking stupid and show a level of arrogance that doesn't mesh with reality.
What's your excuse?CrimsonRage posted..."liberals have to be nice to Trumpeters but Trumpeters are allowed to continue being obnoxious to liberals."
yeah, fuck that
Well, if you guys believe liberals are smarter than why not hold yourselves to a higher standard of behavior? That seems reasonable right?I don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"mustachedmystic posted...NurseRedHeart posted...
Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
Conservatives can't even tell when they are being conned by a sapient cheeto.
How's that echo chamber working out for you?You ain't gotta like me
You just mad cuz I tell it how it is and you tell it how it might beThe Great Muta 22 posted...Kazi1212 posted...
If liberals think of themselves as smarter than conservatives, why are they comparing their own actions to what conservatives do with statements like “conservatives do that too!”? I thought you guys were smarter, saying that just shows liberals are dumb as conservatives
I don't think of myself smarter than a broad group of people nor do I think I'm an expert on everything, as that'd be completely fucking stupid and show a level of arrogance that doesn't mesh with reality.
What's your excuse?
Cool, I don’t either. But are we going to pretend there isn’t a sizable amount of people who thinks liberals are generally smarter than conservatives?I don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"Damn_Underscore posted...Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
The flipside being, a reality TV star devaluing the office of the president with scandals, drama, gross conflicts of interest, and unprofessionalism can also lose the reelection because the idea of "take that liberals, stop being so smug" isn't as bullet proof as it seems.
DT won under the premise of being anti-establishment because of a frustration with the status quo. Those swing voters amenable to voting either way aren't necessarily his base who blindly follow dear leader. They saw that going against status quo doesn't necessarily mean better. He lost the popular vote after all. His victory isn't so much a chastisement of liberal smugness. If he wins 2020, it'll only be if the democrats double down on 2016 strategy.(edited 15 hours ago)The Admiral posted...CanuckCowboy posted...
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Hey look another right winger who's too biased to realize he's making a statement that applies to both sides. Shocking.
Suddenly you guys think a "both sides!!" deflection is a valid response. LOL. Where is Doom Art to spam his meme?
he's not saying "so what if we do it? the other side does it too"
he is saying that this is a thing humans do
@CanuckCowboy correct me if i am wrong or if this was covered
edit: i see it has been covered(edited 15 hours ago)Kazi1212 posted...Cool, I don’t either. But are we going to pretend there isn’t a sizable amount of people who thinks liberals are generally smarter than conservatives?
Are we going to pretend there isn't a sizable amount of conservative posters here that think they are smarter than liberals?
Or, you know, the current Republican President who claimed "I alone can fix your problems"?(edited 15 hours ago)Hexenherz posted...Damn_Underscore posted...
Real life summarized IMO:
Some people treat other people who disagree with them as inferiors. This matters because many of these people are celebrities or have influential positions and their words and opinions are heard by and matter to a lot of people.
The problem is that this "holier than thou" attitude is very off-putting, and no matter how many times you shout "racist!" you're not going to get anyone on your side. In fact, you'll only drive people away. Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
So if you don't want that, change your ways.
FTFY
I mean seriously dude do you really see this as a black and white issue where "half the population is liberal" and "half the population is conservative"?
Do you realize how harmful this generalizing speech is, how divisive it is?
Thank you for pointing out the amount of generalizing. I thought I was on crazy pills.
Then again it’s Underscore. He will miss the forest for the trees.
For the record in his post I found it funny he tries to not over generalize but in the second paragraph does just that. Cause every liberal everywhere has a holier than thou attitude...(edited 15 hours ago)Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.
Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.
Shit."Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquationThe Great Muta 22 posted...Kazi1212 posted...
Cool, I don’t either. But are we going to pretend there isn’t a sizable amount of people who thinks liberals are generally smarter than conservatives?
Are we going to pretend there isn't a sizable amount of conservative posters here that think they are smarter than liberals?
Or, you know, the current Republican President who claimed "I alone can fix your problems"?
Are we going to pretend this topic is about conservatives? Try to leave your agenda at the door when the topic you’re posting isn’t even about that, it derails topics for no good reason.I don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"(edited 15 hours ago)VectorChaos posted...Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.
Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.
Shit.
you are interpreting it in a different way than is meantWho said that conservatives don't also act superior or people in general don't also act superior regardless of politics?
This article is about liberals. It talks about how liberals think of all Trump supports as bigots, about the recent "racist!" namecalling trend, and about other things that liberals do which are offputting to people. Overall, it talks about how this attitude will get Trump reelected.
The main argument in this topic is "conservatives do it too". That's not an argument. If anything it just shows that what he's saying is correct but incomplete.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeFrenchCrunch posted...VectorChaos posted...
Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.
Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.
Shit.
you are interpreting it in a different way than is meant
Big time. FrenchCrunch posted...The Admiral posted...
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Suddenly you guys think a "both sides!!" deflection is a valid response. LOL. Where is Doom Art to spam his meme?
he's not saying "so what if we do it? the other side does it too"
he is saying that this is a thing humans do
@CanuckCowboy correct me if i am wrong or if this was covered
edit: i see it has been covered
More or less.
I'm also saying that refusing to acknowledge the fact that a flaw your pointing out in the "other side" is also a big flaw with your own side kinda limits the value of whatever point you're attempting to make.
If the article had been about how this flaw is harmful and perpetuated by both sides (cause it is) it'd be a much more intelligent and worthwhile article. An article which chooses to apply something solely to the side they don't support when it clearly does affect both sides is just crap journalism."I got a rollatruc, look."ToadallyAwesome posted...For the record in his post I found it funny he tries to not over generalize but in the second paragraph does just that. Cause every liberal everywhere has a holier than thou attitude...
what... the second paragraph is not separate from the first paragraph.
The problem is that this "holier than thou" attitude that these liberals have is very off-putting, and no matter how many times they shout "racist!" they're not going to get anyone on their side. In fact, they'll only drive people away. Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.
Is that better?Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeDamn_Underscore posted...It talks about how liberals think of all Trump supports as bigots, about the recent "racist!" namecalling trend, and about other things that liberals do which are offputting to people. Overall, it talks about how this attitude will get Trump reelected.
The main argument in this topic is "conservatives do it too". That's not an argument. If anything it just shows that what he's saying is correct but incomplete.
Soviet_Poland posted...DT won under the premise of being anti-establishment because of a frustration with the status quo. Those swing voters amenable to voting either way aren't necessarily his base who blindly [him]. They saw that going against status quo doesn't necessarily mean better. He lost the popular vote after all. His victory isn't so much a chastisement of liberal smugness. If he wins 2020, it'll only be if the democrats double down on 2016 strategy.
Also, I can't resist: "Don't you dare hurt muh feels or I'll reelect the dumpster fire!"
I'll write an opinion piece on the suicidal nature of the collective conservative consciousness. It'll be equally bullshit, but just as insightful as this topic.(edited 15 hours ago)Kazi1212 posted...Are we going to pretend this topic is about conservatives? Try to leave your agenda at the door when the topic you’re posting isn’t even about that, it derails topics for no good reason.
It's weird you won't answer my questions....why is that?NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
Quality post"I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell_Near_ posted...Soviet_Poland posted...
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Funny reasoning too. Implying their candidate is a punishment.
anything to avoid taking responsibility for the dumpster fire white house, lolIf you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to meVectorChaos posted...Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.
Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.
Shit.
I rode on the "both sides are horrible" hedge for a while too, especially considering I've voted for a republican and democrat in the past. But time is starting to delineate a trend that one side is less representative of my values or what I think is a good direction for our country's health as a whole. That's my opinion, of course, and I have to accept the baggage that comes with "sides." But otherwise you sit on the fence for too long and then it's only the extremists of both ideologies driving the car..The Great Muta 22 posted...Kazi1212 posted...
Are we going to pretend this topic is about conservatives? Try to leave your agenda at the door when the topic you’re posting isn’t even about that, it derails topics for no good reason.
It's weird you won't answer my questions....why is that?
Did you answer my question first?I don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"The Great Meltdown 22 with the constant deflection.This article isn't bullshit.
Every time someone says all people who voted for Trump are racists you can see there is some truth to this article. And here's the other side: every time a conservative insults "liberal wusses" or something like that, you can see there is some truth to that idea that people need to stop feeling superior to others.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeDamn_Underscore posted...This article isn't bullshit.
Every time someone says all people who voted for Trump are racists you can see there is some truth to this article. And here's the other side: every time a conservative insults "liberal wusses" or something like that, you can see there is some truth to that idea that people need to stop feeling superior to others.
https://imgur.com/RNjYucE(edited 15 hours ago)Liberals have ended up with a disadvantage as a result of having a liberal establishment in academia and the media. They understand less about their opponents’ worldview than their opponents understand about liberals’ worldview."I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas SowellSoviet_Poland posted...Damn_Underscore posted...
This article isn't bullshit.
Every time someone says all people who voted for Trump are racists you can see there is some truth to this article. And here's the other side: every time a conservative insults "liberal wusses" or something like that, you can see there is some truth to that idea that people need to stop feeling superior to others.
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He's calling you John Lennon. Imagine.Kazi1212 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...
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It's weird you won't answer my questions....why is that?
Did you answer my question first?
Yes, a large portion of liberals think they are smarter than conservatives. People always think they are smarter than those they disagree with.
Now you goThe Great Muta 22 posted...Yes, a large portion of liberals think they are smarter than conservatives.
Offhand what would you say the exact percentage is.CyricZThe Great Muta 22 posted...Kazi1212 posted...
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Yes, a large portion of liberals think they are smarter than conservatives. People always think they are smarter than those they disagree with.
Now you go
See that wasn’t hard, should’ve just said so from the beginning. I think the same about conservatives, I just wanted to point how irrelevant your question was to the topic at hand which is about liberals. No need to bring in an agenda and deflect you know?I don't know my gimmick
"Does that sound reasonable to you?"Soviet_Poland posted...VectorChaos posted...
Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.
Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.
Shit.
I rode on the "both sides are horrible" hedge for a while too, especially considering I've voted for a republican and democrat in the past. But time is starting to delineate a trend that one side is less representative of my values or what I think is a good direction for our country's health as a whole. That's my opinion, of course, and I have to accept the baggage that comes with "sides." But otherwise you sit on the fence for too long and then it's only the extremists of both ideologies driving the car..
I've come to accept that the extremes are being increasingly coddled to help increase division, and the only hope left is that they get spun so out of control that they destroy one another. Literally if necessary. Between Antifa and Neo Nazis, we're sure headed there."Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquationKazi1212 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...
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See that wasn’t hard, should’ve just said so from the beginning. I think the same about conservatives, I just wanted to point how irrelevant your question was to the topic at hand which is about liberals. No need to bring in an agenda and deflect you know?
I disagree entirely. There's always place for dissension in circle jerks. It keeps people grounded and makes them address reality. And I'll admit, I like playing that role.
VectorChaos posted...I've come to accept that the extremes are being increasingly coddled to help increase division, and the only hope left is that they get spun so out of control that they destroy one another. Literally if necessary. Between Antifa and Neo Nazis, we're sure headed there.
But see, I think this is completely ridiculous. If times in the states were as dire as you're claiming, we'd see far more demonstrations from "both sides" that'd result in violence and death. As hyperbolic as the right can get about Berkeley and likewise with the left about Charlottesville, there's a reason why these events resonate like they do. It's because they are so few and far between that they really aren't the norm. That isn't downplaying the violence at these events, and we as a society should condemn those responsible for the violence, but the reason these events are repeatedly referenced is because they are the outlier and not the norm.
Basically when we start seeing riots on a weekly basis, I'll get concerned.Corporate media are scared of the progressive agenda rolling their way.I wish we all wavedledbowman posted...Corporate media are scared of the progressive agenda rolling their way.
At least they're recycling
https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status/995715434669314055kin to all that throbsSoviet_Poland posted...>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck
Haha, take that liberals.
http://politics.virginia.edu/gerard-alexander/
I don't think he's a 'conservative.'--- MaverickXeo ---Shocker, liberals think they are smart but this is demonstrably false.Posted with GameRaven 3.3Parappa09 posted...NurseRedHeart posted...
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Oh, trust me, we all know we are smarter than youMaverickXeo posted...http://politics.virginia.edu/gerard-alexander/
I don't think he's a 'conservative.'
He starts the article with, "I know many liberals, and two of them really are my best friends." But yeah, I was a bit facetious with my original post. I'm sure his stance is more nuanced then the dichotomy of our parties as a political scientist....I don’t consider myself smart.
I do, however, feel that I’m on the right side of history as a liberal.I know we're not there now with the civil chaos. I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime to be honest.
But short of dramatic change disrupting the forces of division, I think we're inevitably heading there.
I'm just having fun along the ride there to be perfectly honest :p"Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation(edited 14 hours ago)VectorChaos posted...I know we're not there now with the civil chaos. I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime to be honest.
But short of dramatic change disrupting the forces of division, I think we're inevitably heading there.
Automation will be the driving force of civil unrest more than political affiliation will.Posted with GameRaven 3.3(edited 14 hours ago)VectorChaos posted...I'm just having fun along the ride there to be perfectly honest :p
This guy wrote the same damn thing eight years ago for WaPo.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html?sid=ST2010032603968
Hard not to read this segment in 2018 and think "yeah, that's basically all correct."This attitude comes in the form of four major narratives about who conservatives are and how they think and function.
The first is the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a narrative made famous by Hillary Rodham Clinton but hardly limited to her. This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics. A dense network of professional political strategists such as Karl Rove, think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and industry groups allegedly manipulate information and mislead the public. Democratic strategist Rob Stein crafted a celebrated PowerPoint presentation during George W. Bush's presidency that traced conservative success to such organizational factors.
This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel. For example, Chris Mooney's book "The Republican War on Science" argues that policy debates in the scientific arena are distorted by conservatives who disregard evidence and reflect the biases of industry-backed Republican politicians or of evangelicals aimlessly shielding the world from modernity. In this interpretation, conservative arguments are invariably false and deployed only cynically. Evidence of the costs of cap-and-trade carbon rationing is waved away as corporate propaganda; arguments against health-care reform are written off as hype orchestrated by insurance companies.
This worldview was on display in the popular liberal reaction to the Supreme Court's recent ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Rather than engage in a discussion about the complexities of free speech in politics, liberals have largely argued that the decision will "open the floodgates for special interests" to influence American elections, as the president warned in his State of the Union address. In other words, it was all part of the conspiracy to support conservative candidates for their nefarious, self-serving ends.
It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham.
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But, if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst. This is the second variety of liberal condescension, exemplified in Thomas Frank's best-selling 2004 book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Frank argued that working-class voters were so distracted by issues such as abortion that they were induced into voting against their own economic interests. Then-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, later chairman of the Democratic National Committee, echoed that theme in his 2004 presidential run, when he said Republicans had succeeded in getting Southern whites to focus on "guns, God and gays" instead of economic redistribution.
The third version of liberal condescension points to something more sinister. In his 2008 book, "Nixonland," progressive writer Rick Perlstein argued that Richard Nixon created an enduring Republican strategy of mobilizing the ethnic and other resentments of some Americans against others. Similarly, in their 1992 book, "Chain Reaction," Thomas Byrne Edsall and Mary D. Edsall argued that Nixon and Reagan talked up crime control, low taxes and welfare reform to cloak racial animus and help make it mainstream. It is now an article of faith among many liberals that Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants.kin to all that throbsHowl posted...VectorChaos posted...
I know we're not there now with the civil chaos. I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime to be honest.
But short of dramatic change disrupting the forces of division, I think we're inevitably heading there.
Automation will be the driving force of civil unrest more than political affiliation will.
I could see that too. I doubt it would put me out of a job but I could see that advancing fast enough in my lifetime to fuck shit up for a whole lot of people.
Either way, I'm riding this handbasket having fun with the chaos :/"Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquationLiberals are certainly arrogant and smug, but fear a cartoon frog LOLImAppleJackFU posted...Liberals are certainly arrogant and smug, but fear a cartoon frog LOL
Yes. Nazi Pepe totes give me nightmares.ImAppleJackFU posted...Liberals are certainly arrogant and smug, but fear a cartoon frog LOL
A cartoon frog the weird right wingers STOLE from the original artist.
Conservatives have not one ounce of creativity in their bodies.NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
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Liberals are certainly arrogant and smug, but fear a cartoon frog LOL
A cartoon frog the weird right wingers STOLE from the original artist.
Conservatives have not one ounce of creativity in their bodies.
Now that the argument that liberals aren't as smart as they think has been solidified, they have to change tactics and say liberals are more creative than conservatives. LolPosted with GameRaven 3.3Smart people don't believe in global warming amirite fellas?!
*high five*Others find humanity by looking in their own hearts. Only lost souls need to search for it outside themselves."Soviet_Poland posted...>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck
Haha, take that liberals.If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.Howl posted...Roshon posted...
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Conservatives have not one ounce of creativity in their bodies.
Now that the argument that liberals aren't as smart as they think has been solidified, they have to change tactics and say liberals are more creative than conservatives. Lol
I mean there's a reason why there's no such thing as conservative comedy. Or at least to the point where it draws enough to matterKineth posted...Soviet_Poland posted...
>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck
Haha, take that liberals.
Liberal requotes bottom of the barrel "joke" directed at conservatives.
Haha take that conservatives.Posted with GameRaven 3.3NurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
:oLiberals are smart the way Sheldon on Big Bang Theory is Smart: a lot of book learnin' but utterly clueless on human interactions and unconcerned with any emotions but their own. They've become the type of people that say "yes that dress make you look fat" and legitimately wonder why they're sleeping on the couch. Hell, this tread shows the lack of emotional age by not denying what is said, but trying for the "the other kids are bad too" defense I haven't heard since the playground to excuse what they do.
And the worst part is, I think they enjoy it more than getting what they say they want. I mean, if this was successful in actually changing minds and opinions I could deal, but instead we got Trump and seem to have firmly entrenched the alt-right into place. Guess our brilliant method of changing the world flopped yet somehow, if we treat people even worse, the voting will be different this time?
I used to consider myself far left, but being on the receiving end of harsh social justice condemnation made me realize I'd been being unfair. My views haven't changed, but I couldn't see the opposing side as evil anymore. My political side needs a refresher in persuasion. From How to win friends and influence people:
Don't criticize, condemn, or complain.
Give honest and sincere appreciation
Arouse in the other person an eager want. (give them a reason to want it better than to not be a nazi)
Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say "You're wrong."
Let the other person feel the idea is his or hers.
Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
Let the other person save face
Praise every improvement
Make the other person happy about doing what you suggest
I see very little of that from either side, but I guess I expect my own group of smart people not to find excuses to sink to the depths of their enemies.lightwarrior78 posted...Hell, this tread shows the lack of emotional age by not denying what is said, but trying for the "the other kids are bad too" defense I haven't heard since the playground to excuse what they do.
how are this many people misunderstandingOh, trust me, we all know we are smarter than you
I do, however, feel that I’m on the right side of history as a liberal.
Smugness right hereShenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timelightwarrior78 posted...Hell, this tread shows the lack of emotional age by not denying what is said, but trying for the "the other kids are bad too" defense I haven't heard since the playground to excuse what they do.
Or you're bad at teasing out facetiousness on the internet. Do you honestly expect people to respond earnestly to a thread starting off with a premise as inflammatory as OP?
Political discourse when disingenuous is responded with trolling. That's been the name of the game of the internet since forever. I don't have to point out the irony in conservatives linking an opinion piece about the condescending nature of liberals. It's...well, condescending. Anyone with an iota of intelligence isn't going to fall for these stupid ass generalizations, but the signal gets lost in the noise. Hence the jokes.(edited 12 hours ago)Damn_Underscore posted...Oh, trust me, we all know we are smarter than you
I do, however, feel that I’m on the right side of history as a liberal.
Smugness right here
is it smug to feel on the right side of history?Roshon posted...ImAppleJackFU posted...
Liberals are certainly arrogant and smug, but fear a cartoon frog LOL
A cartoon frog the weird right wingers STOLE from the original artist.
Conservatives have not one ounce of creativity in their bodies.
Pepe was an all purpose meme way before the election fella.John_Galt posted...wackyteen posted...
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Alt-righters say transphobic thing in a topic about liberal smugness...you cant make this up
cmon man it was a good burnsuggestions from How to win friends and influence peopleGive honest and sincere appreciation
Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say "You're wrong."
Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
Let the other person save face
Praise every improvement
Those are the ones I like/agree with. The other ones seem dishonest IMO.Shenmue II = best game of all time
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cmon man it was a good burn
I'm liberal and I laughed at that joke.Soviet_Poland posted...I'm liberal and I laughed at that joke.
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Smugness right here
is it smug to feel on the right side of history?
Yes, I think it's really smug.
You're basically saying that your opinion will forever be known as correct and disagreeing opinions will forever be known as wrong.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeDamn_Underscore posted...Yes, I think it's really smug.
You're basically saying that your opinion will forever be known as correct and disagreeing opinions will forever be known as wrong.
that seems like an extrapolation
what he is actually saying is that he feels he is on the right side of historyFrenchCrunch posted...Damn_Underscore posted...
Yes, I think it's really smug.
You're basically saying that your opinion will forever be known as correct and disagreeing opinions will forever be known as wrong.
that seems like an extrapolation
what he is actually saying is that he feels he is on the right side of history
Then why didn't he say "I think I'm right as a liberal"
"On the right side of history" literally means that future generations will remember you as being correct.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time(edited 12 hours ago)Damn_Underscore posted...Then why didn't he say "I think I'm right as a liberal"
"On the right side of history" literally means that people will remember you as being correct.
there are a lot of sentiments that can accurately be summed up as "feels like im on the right side of history"
what you are doing is ascribing meaning that he himself did not indicate
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I'm liberal and I laughed at that joke.
same, and so were a lot of others itt
And I laughed at Sarah Huckabee Sanders getting dragged at the WHCD...but apparently that's how we got trump.If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to meNurseRedHeart posted...Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.
"Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye WestFrenchCrunch posted...Damn_Underscore posted...
Then why didn't he say "I think I'm right as a liberal"
"On the right side of history" literally means that people will remember you as being correct.
there are a lot of sentiments that can accurately be summed up as "feels like im on the right side of history"
what you are doing is ascribing meaning that he himself did not indicate
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"On the right right of history" means something. A guy who volunteers a few hours a month to help homeless people is doing something good, but he's not on the right or wrong side of history.Shenmue II = best game of all time
Shenmue = 2nd best game of all timeSoviet_Poland posted...lightwarrior78 posted...
Hell, this tread shows the lack of emotional age by not denying what is said, but trying for the "the other kids are bad too" defense I haven't heard since the playground to excuse what they do.
Or you're bad at teasing out facetiousness on the internet. Do you honestly expect people to respond earnestly to a thread starting off with a premise as inflammatory as OP?
Political discourse when disingenuous is responded with trolling. That's been the name of the game of the internet since forever. I don't have to point out the irony in conservatives linking an opinion piece about the condescending nature of liberals. It's...well, condescending. Anyone with an iota of intelligence isn't going to fall for these stupid ass generalizations, but the signal gets lost in the noise. Hence the jokes.
The fallacy in your post is that the premise is founded upon the idea that the liberals here are trolling.
1. They aren't self aware enough to do so.
2. They honestly believe everything they're saying.
3. Liberals even if they were capable of trolling would be infighting so much about the purity of their troll attempts that they would never even get around to addressing the conservatives here.Posted with GameRaven 3.3Telling it like it is.
**puts on noise canceling headphones to drown out liberal shrieks**I've never claimed all liberals are smart.
But I believe they are smarter on average than conservatives. Not leaps and bounds smarter on average, but smarter on average.Here's hoping that the signs are real, and tomorrow with a spring in my heel...
Somewhere on the road of sadness lies a better deal.But accusers can paint with very wide brushes.
Proved his own point, I'd say.BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru)I think it's time the Hohenzollern monarchy was restored. 100 years is a good enough time out."message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888I would have to say moderates are more intelligent then both Democrats and Republicans on average.(edited 11 hours ago)AKmill88 posted...I would have to say moderates are more intelligent then both Democrats and Republicans on average.
The real geniuses acknowledge that the two-party system is a huge scam."message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888Impartiality with smugness just looks like indecision.If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.Kineth posted...Impartiality with smugness just looks like indecision.
As opposed to diving headfirst into an entire plethora of nonsense and rhetoric and screaming nonsenseically about it day in day out.Posted with GameRaven 3.3Soviet_Poland posted...>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck
Haha, take that liberals.
He also didn’t bother to read it...
The piece is basically “be careful liberals, conservatives care more about your making fun of them than anything else.”We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons.I feel like the author is just phoning it in on this one.DreamwaIker posted...I've never claimed all liberals are smart.
But I believe they are smarter on average than conservatives. Not leaps and bounds smarter on average, but smarter on average.
Conservatives have recently started hating higher education, so this is probably correct.When a girl has sex with a bunch of guys, they call her a slut, but when a guy does it, they call him gay. ~ AntifarEnragedSlith posted...NurseRedHeart posted...
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