Two candidates found dead as Venezuela votes whether to make Maduro dictator.

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Glass_Phantom 2 days ago#1 http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/30/americas/venezuela-on-edge-vote/index.html The election will allow President Nicolás Maduro to replace Venezuela's current legislative body -- the National Assembly -- with a new institution called the Constituent Assembly that will have the power to rewrite the constitution. The voting follows weeks of violent street protests in which more than 100 people have been killed. On Sunday, National Guardsmen clashed with opposition protesters and police fired tear gas at crowds in Caracas. As dozens of police officers rode motorcycles through the Altamira neighborhood, a large explosion went off. At one spot in the capital, opposition demonstrators set up barricades on a highway. News broke that one of the candidates in the election, lawyer José Félix Pineda, had been shot dead in his home on Saturday and that opposition leader Ricardo Campos died early Sunday. The death toll from protests ongoing since early April now stands at 118, authorities said. That number does not include the Pineda and Campos deaths. Three of those 118 were killed in confrontations on Sunday. The attorney general's office tweeted that a state prosecutor is probing Pineda's death. "A group of people broke into the home of the victim in the Brisas del Sur sector and shot him multiple times," the attorney general's office said in a tweet. Pineda is listed as candidate number 3 in Bolivar state. A state prosecutor also is investigating the death of Campos, youth secretary for Accion Democratica -- an opposition group. He died in Cumana, a coastal town 250 miles east of Caracas. The circumstances of his death have not been disclosed. Experts have said the outcome is a foregone conclusion: Maduro will be able to consolidate political power. The opposition to Maduro fears the vote will erode democracy and give the Venezuelan leader sweeping authority. Maduro's administration has deemed any protests illegal, threatening anyone who defies the no-protest order with up to 10 years in prison. Maduro, who said he was the first voter in today's election, called casting the first vote a symbol of the independence and sovereignty of Venezuela. He accused US President Donald Trump of trying to "prevent the people from carrying out its right to vote," and boasted that his government is seeing through the vote despite international pressure. reportquote

Irony 2 days ago#2 Need sanctions I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png reportquote

Turbam 2 days ago#3 Damn, even this guy is anti Trump ~snip (V)_(; ;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif reportquote

Paragon21XX 2 days ago#4 @Turbam posted... Damn, even this guy is anti Trump I guess you forgot that he hated Obama even more than Trump. I guess that means Obama was a bad President, too. Hmm... reportquote

nativengine 2 days ago#5 Some Pablo Escobar s*** in the V going on. (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Transcendentia 2 days ago#6 communist Romania 2.0 reportquote

--kresnik-- 2 days ago#7 And you guys love to b**** about living in the US.... Trump 2020 reportquote

Ex-Kefiroth 2 days ago#8 what a s***hole sharp. distance. reportquote

ThePrinceFish 2 days ago#9 maybe next time we'll do socialism right and everything wont collapse Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." reportquote

Transcendentia 2 days ago#10 ThePrinceFish posted... maybe next time we'll do socialism right and everything wont collapse we need bernie to lead the way reportquote

ImaAskAQuestion 2 days ago#11 Why is it that this world seems to be booming with wannabe/successful dictators again? Just curious reportquote

Turbam 2 days ago#12 Paragon21XX posted... @Turbam posted... Damn, even this guy is anti Trump I guess you forgot that he hated Obama even more than Trump. I guess that means Obama was a bad President, too. Don't @ me like I'm your friend, fam :V ~snip (V)_(; ;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif reportquote

Transcendentia 2 days ago#13 ImaAskAQuestion posted... Why is it that this world seems to be booming with wannabe/successful dictators again? socialism and communism reportquote

Glass_Phantom (Topic Creator)2 days ago#14 Transcendentia posted... ImaAskAQuestion posted... Why is it that this world seems to be booming with wannabe/successful dictators again? socialism and communism Most of the authoritarian regimes in the world aren't either of those. reportquote

JE19426 2 days ago#15 Transcendentia posted... socialism and communism What about the right wing ones? reportquote

Transcendentia 2 days ago#16 JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... socialism and communism What about the right wing ones? right wingers can become fascists and authoritarians too reportquote

JE19426 2 days ago#17 Transcendentia posted... right wingers can become fascists and authoritarians too Yes, but what causes it? reportquote

frozenshock 2 days ago#18 Transcendentia posted... JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... socialism and communism What about the right wing ones? right wingers can become fascists and authoritarians too When you have a dictator with absolute power over his people, it doesn't matter one bit whether he calls his system right wing or left wing I don't hate people, people hate me. reportquote

Transcendentia 2 days ago#19 JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... right wingers can become fascists and authoritarians too Yes, but what causes it? It ultimately comes from wanting to ensure that you hold on to your power over tax cattle reportquote

Manocheese 2 days ago#20 Yet another socialist paradise. ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#21 frozenshock posted... When you have a dictator with absolute power over his people, it doesn't matter one bit whether he calls his system right wing or left wing Socialism specifically requires the state to take ownership of the means of production. That's why leftism naturally lends itself to totalitarianism. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 reportquote

JE19426 2 days ago#22 Sephiroth1288 posted... Socialism specifically requires the state to take ownership of the means of production. No, it doesn't. reportquote

CrimsonRage 2 days ago#23 ImaAskAQuestion posted... Why is it that this world seems to be booming with wannabe/successful dictators again? In this case it's just another day in Latin America. reportquote

CrimsonRage 2 days ago#24 Sephiroth1288 posted... frozenshock posted... When you have a dictator with absolute power over his people, it doesn't matter one bit whether he calls his system right wing or left wing Socialism specifically requires the state to take ownership of the means of production. That's why leftism naturally lends itself to totalitarianism. Nope. reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#25 JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Socialism specifically requires the state to take ownership of the means of production. No, it doesn't. so·cial·ism NOUN a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. What do you call the central organizing body of a community? The state. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 reportquote

JE19426 2 days ago#26 Sephiroth1288 posted... What do you call the central organizing body of a community? The state. Where does it say you need the organisating body to own it? reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#27 JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... What do you call the central organizing body of a community? The state. Where does it say you need the organisating body to own it? It doesn't, strictly speaking. There are crazy people who support anarcho-socialism, I guess. Unless you're an anarchist, socialism entails the government controlling everything. That's why so many socialist countries turn into dictatorships. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

JE19426 2 days ago#28 Sephiroth1288 posted... It doesn't, strictly speaking. There are crazy people who support anarcho-socialism, I guess. And those are the only options? Really? reportquote

ImTheMacheteGuy 2 days ago#29 Sephiroth1288 posted... the community as a whole Sephiroth1288 posted... central organizing body of a community This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ reportquote

CrimsonRage 2 days ago#30 Sephiroth1288 posted... JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... What do you call the central organizing body of a community? The state. Where does it say you need the organisating body to own it? It doesn't, strictly speaking. There are crazy people who support anarcho-socialism, I guess. Unless you're an anarchist, socialism entails the government controlling everything. That's why so many socialist countries turn into dictatorships. Look at all those Scandinavian dictatorships for proof. reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#31 JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... It doesn't, strictly speaking. There are crazy people who support anarcho-socialism, I guess. And those are the only options? Really? Since anarchy is the absence of a state, yeah, if you as a socialist don't want a government to control the means of production then your only option is to have no state. In one case you have a handful of government leaders in control of the entire country, and in the other case you have this weird tribal society of millions where everyone has to collectively decide how much plastic to purchase in order to produce playing cards. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#32 CrimsonRage posted... Look at all those Scandinavian dictatorships for proof. Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. The existence of government programs, while socialist in concept, are not what makes a country socialist (also they are all moving towards a freer market; remember when the president (edit: prime minister) of Denmark asked Bernie to stop calling his country socialist because they have been moving away from it for a long time?) The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Thompson 2 days ago#33 Denmark is a monarchy and doesn't have a president. Sigs are rather pointless, except if it's to showcase animation and images. reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#34 Thompson posted... Denmark is a monarchy and doesn't have a president. Prime Minister, whatever. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 reportquote

ManBeast462 2 days ago#35 Socialism is awesome http://m.imgur.com/EKKJrY6 reportquote

hockeybub89 2 days ago#36 Sephiroth1288 posted... CrimsonRage posted... Look at all those Scandinavian dictatorships for proof. Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. The existence of government programs, while socialist in concept, are not what makes a country socialist (also they are all moving towards a freer market; remember when the president (edit: prime minister) of Denmark asked Bernie to stop calling his country socialist because they have been moving away from it for a long time?) When people talk about wanting socialism in America, they are typically, regardless of how accurate it is, speaking of places like Scandanavia. They want increased socialist elements. They are not saying "Venezuela and Romania sound awesome. We need some of that." I guess there are people out that want pure socialism, but there are people out there who want pure capitalism too. http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ reportquote

Sephiroth1288 2 days ago#37 hockeybub89 posted... When people talk about wanting socialism in America, they are typically, regardless of how accurate it is, speaking of places like Scandanavia. They want increased socialist elements. They are not saying "Venezuela and Romania sound awesome. We need some of that." I guess there are people out that want pure socialism, but there are people out there who want pure capitalism too. It's true that socialist policies only have a prayer of functioning as long as they are propped up by capitalism, but once again, even Scandinavian countries are moving away from their "socialist" policies because of how much damage it's done to their economies. Norway can somewhat weather the storm because it has oil money, but Sweden dropped off the list of the world's top economies almost immediately after adopting the nanny state ("socialist") policies in the 60's after amassing great wealth in the decades beforehand from having a free market. The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 reportquote

Broseph_Stalin 2 days ago#38 Sephiroth1288 posted... but Sweden dropped off the list of the world's top economies almost immediately after adopting the nanny state ("socialist") policies in the 60's after amassing great wealth in the decades beforehand from having a free market. This never happened, but I'm sure you think it did. reportquote

Words0fJokeAc 22 hours ago#39 Socialism at work reportquote

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