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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/26/serena-williams-would-be-700-in-the-world-on-mens-tour-says-mcenroe
Why has this been causing such uproar when there is probably some truth behind it. In mens tennis there is no way she is in the top 10. From what i heard low rank pros could probably beat her and even college players can too. Its just physical differences and the reason why sports are seperated by the genders. Because if all was made equal, no split gender leagues and everything was based on athleticism and talent then very few....if any, women would make it to a pro level. |
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hasn't she lost to people ranked around there?
EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters it wasn't 700, but she lost to a guy ranked 203 very badly, and he claimed he was holding back so that he was playing about a rank 600 level.
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Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life
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Lmao the speed of the balls they hit alone pretty much singlehandedly proves why women can't compete against men in Tennis.
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Axiom posted...
Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life Warhol ruined a lot of sex lives. |
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Its true whats the problemm?
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lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there? I don't think it was someone quite ranked that low, but it was still a pretty low ranked person.
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Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm? When did this happen? You have a link?
just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
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TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...Its true whats the problemm? http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2 the lady teams regularly play mens teams to practice. When they play college teams they lose by hilarious numbers. |
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Axiom posted...Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life Heh I'm kind of tempted to read his book. It's probably pretty entertaining |
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TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...Its true whats the problemm? I'm pretty sure he's confusing them with the Australian team.
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men's tennis is completely in another league compared to women's
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lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there? She was like 18. Serena in her prime would probably have done a lot better
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...Omega Hunter posted...Its true whats the problemm? Nah, the US women's team regularly loses to JV teams. I don't see the problem here, the more lean and muscular sex is surprise the better athlete
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lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there? Keep in mind they were in their prime too.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...Omega Hunter posted...Its true whats the problemm? http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2 |
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my question is 'why did he bring this up'
it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)
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Isn't she basically a man anyway?
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Darkman124 posted...
my question is 'why did he bring this up' He said this because the NPR interviewer got on his case when he qualified her as being the best "female" tennis player. This was a fairly stupid line of questioning designed to sound politically correct, and I'm not surprised the clickbait articles ignore this context leading up to it. Here is the interview exchange. Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book. http://www.npr.org/2017/06/25/534149646/but-seriously-tennis-great-john-mcenroe-says-hes-seeking-inner-peace
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Isn't she basically a man anyway? ...no? But McEnroe is correct. |
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He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant tennis player of all time.
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the interviewer was bulls*** and had an agenda.
she asked how great he thought Serena was and he said shes the greatest women's tennis player. then the interviewer pressed "why do you have to classify it" So he explained. Keep in mine Serena herself already admitted as much on Letterman. |
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CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.
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shouldn't be controversial, and blame the interviewer for baiting this story btw. She's still probably the goat tennis player
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Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.
You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive. |
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WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. lol stfu |
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. what? |
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WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. You mean like every star athlete
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voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams. |
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I4NRulez posted...
WhinyZach posted...Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. In certain sports it's more common. Messi and Ronaldo probably aren't on anything banned by the sport. NFL I wouldn't be surprised if steroid use is rampant. People know tennis/biking are full of people using PED's, if you read into the sharapova fiasco she was on a crazy cocktail of stuff since she was 18. Thing is, if they took the users out of the game, there'd be no one left. So occasionally the higher powers in the sport make someone a scapegoat, someone who's either pissed off the higher ups, or are now useless too them (see lance armstrong). |
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?
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voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. No, but it does make them the most dominant team.
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. Of female college basketball.
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WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. Eh, this varies with the sport, depending on how relevant strength/mass is and how much the sport's equipment helps to compensate. Target shooting, for example, can actually favor women (a bit of googling suggests women are more accurate but men can shoot faster). For a sport where there's definitely a bias towards males but where it's small enough to let the top females be competitive with the pros, look at bowling. Three women have made TV appearances on the PBA and one has actually won a PBA title. It's also fairly common to see the top females cashing in PBA events. |
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voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. Of college basketball in general since no one dominated their competition like they did. If no one dominated like person or team A, then person or team A is the most dominant. |
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me.
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...voldothegr8 posted...CableZL posted...He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time. But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters? By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me. Also this
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lilORANG posted...
By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me. That's a terrible analogy. Serena Williams wasn't out there playing against 8 year olds and neither was UConn.
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voldothegr8 posted...
But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters? "Most dominant" doesn't mean UConn would beat a men's college basketball team, nor does it mean Serena Williams would beat a male tennis player. It means they dominated their competition more than anyone else. |
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tiornys posted...
WhinyZach posted...Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. Ya, i wasn't thinking in terms of target shooting and bowling. Didn't even come to mind. You're right though. |
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CableZL posted...
lilORANG posted...By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me. But if she was you'd say she was dominant.
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lilORANG posted...
But if she was you'd say she was dominant. Except we aren't talking about grown people "competing" against children. Like I said, that's a terrible analogy. |
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WhinyZach posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...WhinyZach posted...Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. If she was on PEDs, they'd catch her. Sharapova got caught cause she was using a legal substance that became illegal and she didn't know it became illegal cause her trainers didn't tell her. Just because she dominates a sport doesn't mean she's on PEDs. Get over yourself. |
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The Admiral posted...
Darkman124 posted...my question is 'why did he bring this up' He's right. Seems like a stupid question to ask, since it's just going to rile people up who have an agenda about this sort of thing. Serena Williams might be the most dominant player ever within her own relevant sphere, but female participants are not relevant as far as male sports are concerned. |
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters? You said she's probably the most dominant tennis player of all time. That statement to me, and I'm not alone, is saying that she's lumped in with the men. Again, you agree men and women tennis players are a class apart so that statement to me is false, she's the most dominant female tennis player of all time.
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voldothegr8 posted...
You said she's probably the most dominant tennis player of all time. That statement to me, and I'm not alone, is saying that she's lumped in with the men. Again, you agree men and women tennis players are a class apart so that statement to me is false, she's the most dominant female tennis player of all time. Being the most dominant doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. No male tennis player has dominated like Serena Williams has, so they aren't as dominant. That doesn't mean Serena Williams would beat said male tennis players. It just means she was more dominant. Because as you agreed, no one has dominated like she has. Again, if no one has dominated like she has, then she is the most dominant. It's essentially a statement of how much better she is than her competition over the years.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...WhinyZach posted...Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues. I dunno why you'd say get over yourself as if I have an inflated ego over this. You seem really upset, and also ignorant. Terrible combination, you should work on that. I'll even help educate you.  No woman has this kind of muscle mass naturally. The only other female to come close to her physique is known, deep voiced, juicer Samantha Stosur  When a random drug tester came to her house, she locked herself inside her panic room http://nypost.com/2011/11/02/serena-williams-locks-herself-in-panic-room-in-drug-test-mix-up/ She has a HUGE list of injuries. I mean, that alone doesn't really point to PED's but she came back from everything quickly, and got stronger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams#2004.E2.80.9307:_Injuries_and_the_comeback Politics play the biggest role here, that's why Serena hasn't been caught.
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Gojak_v3 posted...This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.
how so
0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match
it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriateAnd when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.Darkman124 posted...Gojak_v3 posted...
This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.
how so
0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match
it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriate
I said reminds me of it not a direct comparison. And yeah you have people saying high schoolers would beat her which really reminds me when CEmen neckbeards were like I could beat up Ronda Rousy. Not that I think she could compete with men. People just take it to extremes.*didn't read the replies in the thread*
No s***. 99% of the time female athletes can't compete with male athletes. Men are literally stronger and faster. Going further, I think that men also have better spatial awareness than women in general.
I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer."Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."Gojak_v3 posted...Darkman124 posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.
how so
0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match
it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriate
I said reminds me of it not a direct comparison. And yeah you have people saying high schoolers would beat her which really reminds me when CEmen neckbeards were like I could beat up Ronda Rousy. Not that I think she could compete with men. People just take it to extremes.
Well there are 17-18 year olds that could beat her but that's not really relevent anyway. 17 year old Nadal won the French Open IIRC. At 18 Jack Sock was already ready for the pros.if you read the interview you'd see McEnroe said nothing wrong. he said Serena Williams is undoubtedly the greatest female player of the sport. the interviewer asks him why he's distinguishing the sex of the player and asks if she's the best player overall. McEnroe says not overall, and that she would be like the 700th best player if you counted in male playersAsherlee10 posted...I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer.
the fact that you made it to 16 before having to leave the male leagues explains a lot about why you were a D-1 soccer college athlete
that level of training gave you a huge advantage over your peersAnd when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.(edited 12 hours ago)700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he couldThe Great Muta 22 posted...700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could
She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.S*** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again. - Forgotten Love
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700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could
She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.
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Not flippant at all. The satellite tour is full of guys who were used to dominating junior and college tennis.
The Men's tour is a brutal grind and hardly anyone should even bother trying to pursue a pro career. Top D1 guys regularily go nowhere in the pros much less get into the top 150.voldothegr8 posted...Gheb posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could
She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.
Not just a rank 203, a drunkard declining rank 203 who held back. They were in their prime.
Those sisters used to brag that they should be allowed to play on the Men's tour. I think the exhibition you're referring to is the reason they quit talking about playing on the ATP.Darkman124 posted...my question is 'why did he bring this up'
The (female) reporter is the one that raised the question...R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime
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http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gifDarkman124 posted...Asherlee10 posted...
I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer.
the fact that you made it to 16 before having to leave the male leagues explains a lot about why you were a D-1 soccer college athlete
that level of training gave you a huge advantage over your peers
It definitely gave me a hefty advantage. It was easier to play on female teams after that. Also, in college, we often did pre-season with the Ole Miss football team for fitness routines. I LOVED IT! The level of competition was much more intense."Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."_OujiDoza_ posted...Darkman124 posted...
my question is 'why did he bring this up'
The (female) reporter is the one that raised the question...
yeah this has been clarified and it basically turns the entire dialogue on its head
he did nothing wrong and the reporter basically forced him to say what he did
what she was saying was basically an insult to the male top playersAnd when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.(edited 12 hours ago)Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."If people feel offended by what he said they should do an exhibition match between Serena and #700MAKE AMERICA SMART AGAIN
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|Brian-Dawkins|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg.Asherlee10 posted...Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.
you look the sameAnd when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.Darkman124 posted...Asherlee10 posted...
Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.
you look the same
I sacrificed a virgin to the Gods of Immortality to grant me endless youthfulness."Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."He's right and anyone who claims otherwise is a massive SJW troll.Asherlee10 posted...Darkman124 posted...
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Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.
you look the same
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And that virgin? The original Vegy. His spirit is said to roam the world, possessing poor souls to make posts about cegals.What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil.ReignFury posted...Feminists are having a field day with this
"Equality dammit! ...except for sports" right?Asherlee10 posted...No s***. 99% of the time female athletes can't compete with male athletes. Men are literally stronger and faster. Going further, I think that men also have better spatial awareness than women in general.
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