I have a philosophy degree and work as a developer / data scientist. But I think it was advanced skills in math and programming that led me to philosophy, not the other way around. Philosophy was a way for me to improve my structured writing and arguing skills.
Several of my most interesting friends have philosophy degrees. Being able to engage on any subject because you have well-developed reasoning skills is pretty great.
However, I would strongly recommend going for a more lucrative degree, or not going to university at all. The economy of today is much different than what it was generations ago - focus on career, study philosophy in your free time.
I majored in chemistry and minored in philosophy and looking back several years later, I think it served me well. My job prospects are wildly better than the average being shown in the article, and I still managed to get broad exposure to the most popular philosophers and (much more importantly) multiple classes on formal logic. The latter point really has been critical for improving the way I engage with new topics. Many of my colleagues seem to have chosen to double down and focus almost exclusively on STEM related endeavors, and I think it has really limited them. These are brilliant people working at top institutions on problems that really make a difference to the world, but you'll still hear them uncritically parrot popular political talking points or old wives' tales that any rigorous analysis should readily discard.
Philosophy is a wonderful and useful discipline, but new degree holders may be disappointed if they expect to work in their field for reasonable compensation. Your advice to study the topic while also pursuing a means of adequately supporting yourself seems excellent.
The issue i see with philosophy major at the academic level now adays is that it’s not what it used to be. That is why philosophy major at the post grad level is so confined with what it can directly do in comparison to let’s say a stem major. By 17th century and prior, philosophy required beyond a focus on morality but also focused on mathematics and the cosmos. Even further back, Plato mentioned geometry as crucial to philosophy. If those initial requirements were still present to become a philosopher, then present major holders would be much more impressive.
Critical thinking is a required course even at the community college level. Deductive and inductive reasoning and logic were required, so was an ethics class, as well as philosophy of science. As a philosophy student, I feel like it teaches you how to learn better, how to spot patterns and sets, how to think critically, how to troubleshoot. They even had a philosophy of law class that had both philosophy grad and law students in it.
It really is the perfect undergrad major to go on to grad school for really any subject, and as a degree to go on to any job, you couldn't do much better. Most people don't use their specific major's knowledge much in the real world, and philosophy is a great foundation for anything.
Certainly logic and deductive reasoning are necessary for physics, and, as a result, a physics major will be taught these things without ever taking a philosophy course. And, of course, I agree that philosophy is a subject that is well worth taking for a future physics graduate student. However, this alone will not be adequate preparation for a physicist. Even if you have excellent deductive reasoning and know all about the foundations of logic, that doesn't mean you can solve a differential equation or write down a sensible Lagrangian. There is simply too much practical skill and knowledge that an aspiring physicist must know before doing research that an education in philosophy alone will not provide.
One particular mode of reasoning that a philosophy education does not really teach is statistical reasoning. While a philosophy student might take a course or two in the foundational principles of this kind of reasoning, it is not common for philosophy students to be taught how to put these principles into practice, quantitatively. But for a physicist, theoretical or experimental, the quantitative application of this kind of reasoning is bread-and-butter, and it takes time to develop the ability to do it.
It's not like philosophers have a monopoly on logic and deductive reasoning, right? These are foundational notions, and most if not all fields would provide training in them. Of course, if one was into formal and deep study, a philosophy class would be more relevant, but enough understanding to usefully apply these is in anyone's remit. So, e.g., most people would know what sound deduction is, but most (myself included) would not know the difference between a first and second order theory. Similarly philosophy of science, at least in the sciences.
That said, I'll take further issue with your comment. (Only talking about STEM because that's what I know best. Also, theorist bias.) Most 'hard' sciences comprise not just a way of thinking, but a large body of technical knowledge - both specialised and general (e.g. basic probability+stats, basic harmonic analysis, the systems viewpoint in engg.). Training in e.g. Information Theory is not something that one would get out of a philosophy degree (and for good reason). Of course, I'm not saying one cannot pick up this knowledge later, but the perfect undergrad major to go to grad school for X is X, or some closely related X', not philosophy. The one with most flexibility in STEM is likely maths, (and maybe EE/CS or physics), but only if you're interested in theory. A maths degree is basically useless if what you want to study is, say, synthetic chemistry or mechanical engg.
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Several Baltimore schools report 0 students proficient in math, reading
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150 years as a Democrat stronghold. No Republican has been able to win an election in many decades. Schools get proper funding, but people have no idea where the money is going. Certainly not the to students. It's time to kick these corrupted politicians out and get some new blood. It's clear they want to keep the Baltimore population dumb, and give them fee handouts so they can keep voting Democrat. Baltimore is a perfect example of what happens when it's run by enablers.
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That's just horrifying.
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Baltimore shouldn't be throwing more money at the schools to fix this. They need to throw money into proper policing and community outreach. Show them that a life of education on "the streets" won't ever have a positive benefit compared to actually trying to get out of hell.
You can throw all the money at the schools you want, but no teacher can make someone care. And you notice how every Democrat stronghold city outside of NYC and California is a worthless Cesspit of bad decisions, corruption, and incompetence. Baltimore, Flint, Detroit.
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toptopmax posted...
Ah, nobody actually cares about the students. They just want to dump on Democrats. At least Trump cares about education and our veterans.
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And as an aside, Martin O'Malley was Mayor of Baltimore. f***ed that up. Then went to Annapolis to run the state. f***ed that up so hard that a Democratic lock state elected a bipartisan Republican. Then he tried to get the Democratic nomination and failed so bad that not even Maryland voted for him. His successor copped a plea deal for embezzling from the city and was generally horrible, then had the nerve to run again after the terms of her plea and say she loved the city she stole from. Following her conviction, the city council leader took over (oddly Dixon got the Mayoral position when O'Malley stepped down after being elected governor), and under her the Baltimore Riots in the wake of the Freddie Gray shooting happened during which she said "give the rioters space", then she fired the Chief of Police. Baltimore has a horrible history with elected officials.
The whole f***ing city is rotting from the brain down to the colon. They love to call themselves Charm City, but there's only one part of it that's close to that, and only during the day. Okay, to be fair that can be said of pretty much ANY city in the US, I'm sure San Francisco has s***ty areas too. As a state resident, there is nothing I'd do to avoid going anywhere near Baltimore.
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toptopmax posted...
At this point though, looking at the state of rural America, I don't think Republicans have much room to bash the bad democratic cities. I'll gladly give you that. Governor Hogan declared a state of emergency over heroin and opiate addictions. Not like a disaster one, I think it's more symbolic than anything, but it's a MASSIVE issue, my county had a video produced about heroin addiction, funded by parents who lost their son. I probably saw it three or four times by the time I graduated. Arguably, it's more impactful when it's a high school near you, or yours. Either way, the cities have general crime, and the rural areas have drug addictions.
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Kinda sounds like fake news.
Crazyman93 posted... And as an aside, Martin O'Malley was Mayor of Baltimore. f***ed that up. “Hello. I’m Martin O’Malley. This is what my voice sounds like. This is what my face looks like. When I was mayor of Baltimore I did such a good job they made two TV shows about my city: Homicide and The Wire.”
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
toptopmax posted...Ah, nobody actually cares about the students. They just want to dump on Democrats. Close your account
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Zeus posted...
“Hello. I’m Martin O’Malley. This is what my voice sounds like. This is what my face looks like. When I was mayor of Baltimore I did such a good job they made two TV shows about my city: Homicide and The Wire.” lol Yeah pretty much. I think the current Mayor is the first one since O'Malley to take office in an election since Rawlings-Blake didn't run again after her public opinion went down the crapper. And the original topic title may be an exaggeration, but it's not far off. Every parent that cares about their kid's future moves out of Baltimore City, so what's left is obviously the s***. The sorts of parents that Child Services would take the kids from if they were funded enough to actually care. Or not overburdened as it is.
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Sleepin_Dragon posted...
Out of curiosity, is Baltimore really as bad as it is depicted in The Wire? Generally during the day, you're fine. The worst of it is concentrated in an area called "the block", sex shops, strip joints (We've got a Hustler club, but I'm pretty sure it ain't there.), organized crime fronts, drug dealers. Basically the worst part of the city, a few years ago they did a push on it, but at this point, that's mostly PR for the police since they've been "cleaning up the block" since the 80s. At night, just don't leave your apartment or enter the city, if you're there for a sporting event, police will probably have a presence on the fastest ways out. The Inner Harbor is safe during the day, it's the major tourist trap so of course it is, but at night, drug addicts and homeless. And the harbor it self is a polluted mess, trash floats into corners of the dock or quaysides, and no one does anything about it.
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At this point though, looking at the state of rural America, I don't think Republicans have much room to bash the bad democratic cities. To be fair, I think, rural American areas tend to be super poor because there are so few people there. Local government has very little to work with and state governments aren't going to rally to improve the rural areas when all of the tax payers and voters are in the urban and suburban areas. |
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My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Well, no, because we're talking about very different problems. It's understandable in rural communities without funding to have academic issues, but not in a major city like Baltimore. Generally speaking, you're better off being poor in a wealthier area than you are being poor in a poor area because at least the wealthier area can afford better entitlements. More importantly, you're completely speculating that the education is worse in those rural communities when we don't actually know that for a fact. It's possible that even rural communities with severely underfunded schools have a better result than this because, in all honesty, it's hard to believe that *any* school could have a result this bad.
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Zeus posted...
toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Pretty sure he's talking more than just about schools. |
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My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Stop being realistic. This thread is about using a probably fake stat to push a political agenda to try to make the party TC doesn't like look bad. Obviously the political party dominating the state is more directly responsible for children's education than the children, their family, their teachers or the administration.
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whitelytning posted...
toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. TC and people like him only make these kinds of topics because they want to shine a light on cities with a black majority. They don't actually care, it's only because they want to mock black people and the Democrat mayors they elect. They never mention the Governors of the states those cities reside within cause that just muddles up the narrative because it's apparently perfectly fine to have cities detrimental outcomes that lay within Republican strongholds if only because they got to mock black people. Nevermind the fact that those same people have shown time and time again that city rights mean absolutely nothing when compared to state's rights, just as long as it's black people they can s*** on then it's perfectly fine. |
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Zeus posted...
toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. yes - in fact, it's literally impossible to believe. which is why I'd like TC to show a different source confirming it
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Gids_goft posted...
whitelytning posted...toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Bingo
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Gids_goft posted...
whitelytning posted...toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Truth being spoken
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
toptopmax posted...Ah, nobody actually cares about the students. They just want to dump on Democrats. Besty Devos says hello.
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Zeus posted...
in all honesty, it's hard to believe that *any* school could have a result this bad. It's also hard to believe that a city would switch from another city's confirmed safe water supply for a river and either not test it for toxicity, or ignore the fact that it's probably toxic.
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This is what decades of uncontested Democratic control predicated on forcing victim rhetoric onto voters will do. You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them, those people stop putting in effort, develop a disdain for authority, and resort to other means to make it. No better way to ensure someone will never be successful in life than to convince them that they're oppressed and need the government to save them.
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Gids_goft posted...
whitelytning posted...toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. No, you're just making an excuse for this type of behavior. Making a excuse for what is acceptable and then turn a blind eye to it. You don't know that I lived in Brooklyn for over 20 years, where I witnessed first hand how a city can improve under a different type of government. New York City had a lot of crime problems in the 80's and 90's. Go watch The Warriors movie to see that state of the neighbors and subways. As much as people hate Giuliani, the helped turned the city around by being tougher on crime and improving neighborhoods. Then it was taking over by Michael Bloomberg, another Republican mayor. The biggest problem isn't just enabling politicians, but also the teacher's union. A bunch of incompetent people who is scared of being tested themselves because they're not good teachers to being with. Sometimes, education just amounts to daycare, instead of an education facility. Things need to change and you if you ignore the problems, nothing will change.
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Gids_goft posted...
whitelytning posted...toptopmax posted...My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics. Crazyman93 posted... And as an aside, Martin O'Malley was Mayor of Baltimore. f***ed that up. Then went to Annapolis to run the state. f***ed that up so hard that a Democratic lock state elected a bipartisan Republican. Then he tried to get the Democratic nomination and failed so bad that not even Maryland voted for him. His successor copped a plea deal for embezzling from the city and was generally horrible, then had the nerve to run again after the terms of her plea and say she loved the city she stole from. Following her conviction, the city council leader took over (oddly Dixon got the Mayoral position when O'Malley stepped down after being elected governor), and under her the Baltimore Riots in the wake of the Freddie Gray shooting happened during which she said "give the rioters space", then she fired the Chief of Police. Baltimore has a horrible history with elected officials. ?
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Crazyman93 posted...
The Admiral posted...You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them Whoa now, he's gonna be seeing red with rage knowing that. Don't say the "b" word around Admiral. |
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http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-schools-no-students-proficient-in-state-tests
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Addy will always talk s*** about how Democrats take advantage of majority black cities use fear mongering and disdain of white people in order to maintain their stronghold of those places while at the same time denying that the Southern Strategy even existed. He's just like the TC; doesn't actually care, he just wants to mock black people.
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Crazyman93 posted...
The Admiral posted...You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them Being black doesn't make the Council impervious to exploitation of misconceptions.
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Crazyman93 posted...
Nomadic View posted...Being black doesn't make the Council impervious to exploitation of misconceptions. More than likely, yes.
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Nomadic View posted...
Crazyman93 posted...Nomadic View posted...Being black doesn't make the Council impervious to exploitation of misconceptions. Okay, just making sure. I agree with Admiral a lot, but he's wrong on this one.
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That is a shame. Public schooling does need an overhaul after all.
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The Admiral posted...
This is what decades of uncontested Democratic control predicated on forcing victim rhetoric onto voters will do. You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them, those people stop putting in effort, develop a disdain for authority, and resort to other means to make it. No better way to ensure someone will never be successful in life than to convince them that they're oppressed and need the government to save them. That fictional world does sound like a nightmare. Thankfully cities like that don't exist in America. I think it is a bit insulting to black people that you think they are this ready and willing to stay stupid and poor just because the evil white Democrat tells them to. But I guess you can post one of those links that proves they are naturally unintelligent again. You are such a racist clown, just like those patronizing SJWs. |
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Annihilated posted...
Crazyman93 posted...The Admiral posted...You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them Walmart employees lel
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Oh yeah, if there's a group that wants to fix the educational system, it's the Republicans.
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Crazyman93 posted...
Baltimore shouldn't be throwing more money at the schools to fix this. They need to throw money into proper policing and community outreach. Show them that a life of education on "the streets" won't ever have a positive benefit compared to actually trying to get out of hell. A major difference is NYC and California have strong capitalist economies. |
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Gids_goft posted...whitelytning posted...
toptopmax posted...
My point being that its not a matter of Republican or Democrat politicians causing problems in these communities. I think their problems go beyond politics.
Stop being realistic. This thread is about using a probably fake stat to push a political agenda to try to make the party TC doesn't like look bad. Obviously the political party dominating the state is more directly responsible for children's education than the children, their family, their teachers or the administration.
TC and people like him only make these kinds of topics because they want to shine a light on cities with a black majority. They don't actually care, it's only because they want to mock black people and the Democrat mayors they elect. They never mention the Governors of the states those cities reside within cause that just muddles up the narrative because it's apparently perfectly fine to have cities detrimental outcomes that lay within Republican strongholds if only because they got to mock black people. Nevermind the fact that those same people have shown time and time again that city rights mean absolutely nothing when compared to state's rights, just as long as it's black people they can s*** on then it's perfectly fine.
Probably because Governors and Mayors usually don't share the same f***ing duties.
And in the case of Baltimore, 4/5th of the City Council's Education Subcommittee is chaired by democrats, and the mayor oversees the public school system.
http://www.baltimorecityschools.org/Page/24385
Click PARCC results and compared the schools that are named to the stats.
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