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Remember when the left said Trump was being ridiculous for saying "What's next, removing statues of Thomas Jefferson?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/09/13/thomas-jefferson-statue-at-u-va-shrouded-in-black/?utm_term=.ae40873b3eed About 100 people gathered for the protest Tuesday night, according to the Daily Progress. They covered the statue of the university’s founder, and signs reading “racist” and “rapist” were placed on it. 
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do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?
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darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? The question isn't whether he was or not, but whether it actually matters considering his time period and if it was so severe that it drowns out his accomplishments (it doesn't).
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@darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? do you believe it is right to vandalize the statue of a founding father of the United states? one of the 56 who signed the declaration of independence?
dont know why I even have one of these
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I oppose anything done by BLM. f*** those racists
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darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? Keep dodging. |
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If you honestly feel this way about Thomas Jefferson you should not even be a student at UVA.
They shove so much Jefferson history in your face, it would be impossible to not get triggered.
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They're just doing this to troll you, Mal.
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Kyurem-BW posted...
@darkphoenix181 posted...do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? Sure thing. It's just a statue. Not like they're digging up his corpse to desecrate it.
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Hope these degenerates are expelled.
Also, I'm assuming these students were too stupid to realize who founded the college they were applying to. Not sure why you'd willingly attend UVA if this was actually an issue.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Kyurem-BW posted...@darkphoenix181 posted...do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? Yet. |
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Why would they be protesting him?
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peaceful protest isn't degeneracy, the vandalism is arguable if it causes some cost of repair or physically alters the artwork/property
article made it seem like there were just signs placed near it but I skimmed I think this protest and sentiment is mostly misplaced though
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Yeah if you don't like Jefferson, UVA is the last place you should have applied to.
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Once again Trump turns out to be right.
Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist".
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The Admiral posted...
Hope these degenerates are expelled. Don't you constantly say people need to not use their emotions?
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uwnim posted...
Why would they be protesting him? he was a white cis male
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LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...Hope these degenerates are expelled. Addy's like CEs Donald Trump. Always criticizing others for behaviors or actions he gleefully does himself.
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Capn Circus posted...
Once again Trump turns out to be right. People are already saying the United States was only ever great for white men.
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Howl posted...
Capn Circus posted...Once again Trump turns out to be right. Why don't they just leave then nobody will stop them? |
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Not surprised. Social liberalism is the disease that's slowly killing this great country.
All those idiots need to be expelled.
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The people on the left who want to take down Thomas Jefferson statues are the silly ones. When it comes to the confederate statues they are only up to celebrate slavery and a lost way to scare blacks and other minorities. With Thomas Jefferson his statues have nothing to do with the fact he owned slaves and everything to do with what he did for america. You don't have to like everything someone believes in or did to realize he also did a lot of good.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
whether it actually matters considering his time period Slavery has always been terrible and slave owners have always been terrible people. We're not talking about grandma's private racism here. Thomas Jefferson did great things for this country, but he was also a racist P.O.S. (like a lot of people back then). It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Not surprised. Social liberalism is the disease that's slowly killing this great country. Because these people represent all on the left right?
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QwelzaarKane posted...
It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad. because if you do that, you have to attack almost all historical people. very few people from the past lived up to 21st century moral standards. you can find dirt on almost anyone. |
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Zikten posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad. Meh
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Zikten posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad. No one, even today lives up to 21st century moral standards.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Meh so your ok with just attacking all of history? and never honoring anyone ever again? |
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creativerealms posted...
Social liberalism represents the extreme left, not all of the left. That's why I specifically refer to social liberals and not all liberals.
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so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
dont know why I even have one of these
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Kyurem-BW posted...
@QwelzaarKane Give it time. The left always eats itself.
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Kyurem-BW posted...
@QwelzaarKane I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though.
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boxington posted...
I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. because it was common and encouraged. if it had been common and encouraged in the 60's to enslave gay people, MLK would have done it |
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boxington posted...
Kyurem-BW posted...@QwelzaarKane Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him?
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creativerealms posted...
The people on the left who want to take down Thomas Jefferson statues are the silly ones. When it comes to the confederate statues they are only up to celebrate slavery and a lost way to scare blacks and other minorities. With Thomas Jefferson his statues have nothing to do with the fact he owned slaves and everything to do with what he did for america. You don't have to like everything someone believes in or did to realize he also did a lot of good. Agreed.
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I'm just saying that you can't always help how you feel, but you can control what you do and say.
people can do what they want to their monuments (through I wouldn't support hard work being damaged like that), but the comparisons aren't fair. because it was common and encouraged. if it had been common and encouraged in the 60's to enslave gay people, MLK would have done it lol
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yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them
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Mal_Fet posted...
boxington posted...Kyurem-BW posted...@QwelzaarKane Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do?
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i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"
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Also, if they wanted the statue gone, be a grown up and take the appropriate actions to petition its removal. Don't be an immature idiot and vandalize property like this.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do? No of course not. But since when has that prevented suburban leftists from getting violently offended on others' behalf?
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all I got to do is ask an innocent question and people start foaming at the mouth
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Zikten posted...
yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully. |
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...boxington posted...Kyurem-BW posted...@QwelzaarKane Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough Nope. No he is not.
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Zeeak4444 posted...A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
boxington posted...
Kyurem-BW posted...
@QwelzaarKane
so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia.
Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though.
Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him?
Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do?
Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy?
No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud?Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2A_Good_Boy posted...Zeeak4444 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
boxington posted...
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@QwelzaarKane
so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia.
Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though.
Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him?
Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do?
Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy?
No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud?
I didn't, I just asked if you stayed consistent with your position. Don't get all bent out of shape about it, not like I called you a liar.Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_XCapn Circus posted...Once again Trump turns out to be right.
Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist".
lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means.Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy sceneNadYobWoc posted...Capn Circus posted...
Once again Trump turns out to be right.
Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist".
lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means.
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\ ( ' w ') / - Ah yiss!darkphoenix181 posted...do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?
Do you think the native Americans weren't racist either?Kyurem-BW posted...@QwelzaarKane
so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
Don't get me wrong, it's not hard to believe that he probably was homophobic to some degree due to a lot of different reasons (deeply religious, pastor, time period, etc), but thought that it was never really proven if he was anti-gay or not? The most we got is an editorial or something like that where a writer asking for helped mentioned they had homosexual thoughts/feelings and MLK wrote back saying that it wasn't uncommon. Is there really anything out there where he really shared an anti-gay sentiment?https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htmQuestion: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?
Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solvedont know why I even have one of theseMal_Fet posted...Kyurem-BW posted...
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so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
Give it time. The left always eats itself.
You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. You think all of us are gun hating vegan hippys who love Muslims and want them to take over huh?No sig.(edited 2 days ago)TagWhat do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil.Esrac posted...Zikten posted...
I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry againyea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them
Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully.how does super mario world work without updates?
Relax I know what I'm doing,I been killing topics since 1987Kyurem-BW posted...https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm
Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?
Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve
So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.- The AdmiralKyurem-BW posted...@QwelzaarKane
so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?
It makes him homophobic. What actions of his were anti-gay, though? Unless he was actively working against them you have no point. Owning and raping slaves goes a bit beyond simple racism imo.
Zikten posted...QwelzaarKane posted...
It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad.
because if you do that, you have to attack almost all historical people. very few people from the past lived up to 21st century moral standards. you can find dirt on almost anyone.
Being honest about Jefferson isn't attacking him.
It's funny how people (not referring to anyone ITT specifically) whine about erasing history with these statues but refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.All night I daydream of sleep but never get it
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Observe how the leftist media talks about Berniebros.
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i don't know how people could oppose this man.Giant_Aspirin posted...i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"
These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too.
There's also people in this topic defending it, too."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks(edited 1 day ago)Capn Circus posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...
i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"
These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too.
Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations.Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2A_Good_Boy posted...Capn Circus posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"
These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too.
Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations.
I don't think I understand your reference."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom HanksQwelzaarKane posted...refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom HanksCapn Circus posted...QwelzaarKane posted...
refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!Good.yankees ws chizzampsRickyTheBAWSE posted...wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
If you hold everyone to 21st century standards of morality, no heroes exist. You are probably a horrible person to someone 50 years from now.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell(edited 1 day ago)wowMal_Fet posted...RickyTheBAWSE posted...
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
If you hold everyone to the standard of 21st century standards of morality, no heroes exist. You are probably a horrible person to someone 50 years from now.
Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.yankees ws chizzampsRickyTheBAWSE posted...Capn Circus posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...
refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with.
Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")"I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks(edited 1 day ago)stop
there were decent human beings back in the 1700s. like john adams. the "well it was a different time!" argument doesn't f***ing workyankees ws chizzamps27_Sandman_40 posted...Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.
Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
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QwelzaarKane posted...
refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with.
Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")
logic escapes your post.
who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different.
and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend?Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!(edited 1 day ago)Mal_Fet posted...27_Sandman_40 posted...
Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.
Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?
i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson)yankees ws chizzamps27_Sandman_40 posted...Mal_Fet posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.
Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?
i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson)
Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too?
Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell(edited 1 day ago)Who are people like me? Because I routinely get labeled a Trump supporter and a racist conservative on CE on the daily when I'm neither.
Because unlike you Mal, I'm an actual libertarian that leans both ways.
To address your asinine comparison, MLK's homophobia never enslaved or murdered anybody. Not to mention he didn't start a whole f***ing country founded upon it.yankees ws chizzamps(edited 1 day ago)The Admiral posted...Kyurem-BW posted...
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Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?
Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve
So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.
Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then?Mal_Fet posted...27_Sandman_40 posted...
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Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.
Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?
i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson)
Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too?
Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite.
which speech contained the homophobia?Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!Twin3Turbo posted...The Admiral posted...
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https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm
Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?
Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve
So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.
Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then?
Don't you know, everyone is a product of their time except for MLK.Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2"Some statue that I didn't even know existed until today got covered up, better go get upset about it."Gt: justaguy3492RickyTheBAWSE posted...Capn Circus posted...
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refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with.
Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")
logic escapes your post.
who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different.
and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend?
Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself.
I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom HanksCapn Circus posted...RickyTheBAWSE posted...
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Capn Circus posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...
refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people.
I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.
They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing.
They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.
wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had s***ty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day.
f*** Jefferson. simple as that.
There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with.
Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")
logic escapes your post.
who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different.
and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend?
Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself.
I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors.
again, wrong is wrong regardless of the time period. the term "legal" isn't synonymous with "right," and Jefferson is a forefather of White supremacy. at no point has that ever been okay. ever. why is that so hard for you to get? and why are you working so hard to stray from that point?
he didn't do anything for me. he didn't found this nation for me nor did he consider people like me actually human. he's no more my founding father than he is a mule's. you don't get to decide these things for me, regardless of whatever privilege you think you've got.Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!(edited 1 day ago)Capn Circus posted...They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society,
There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent.All night I daydream of sleep but never get it
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They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society,
There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent.
This, like John Adams.yankees ws chizzampsexactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!(edited 1 day ago)RickyTheBAWSE posted...exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.
Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo.http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif
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exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.
Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo.
especially them, lol. political affiliations are conscious choices.Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!27_Sandman_40 posted...This, like John Adams.
John Adams also didn't support outright abolition, either. "Adams, despite being opposed to slavery, did not support abolitionism except if it was done in a “gradual” way with “much caution and Circumspection.” Adams dismisses radical abolitionist measures as “produc[ing] greater violations of Justice and Humanity, than the continuance of the practice” of slavery itself." - Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History.
People thought and behaved differently in the past. This goes for every nation and culture. Calling groups of people, particularly the founding fathers and other important molders of our nation--- soulless and terrible people is ridiculous, and most particularly ridiculous if you refuse to denounce and call others from various regions and cultures during those time periods also soulless and terrible. Which is exactly what is going on in this topic.
RickyTheBAWSE posted...exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.
You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks(edited 1 day ago)Capn Circus posted...You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time.
QwelzaarKane posted...There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent.
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I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry againyea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them
Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully.
That's not quite true. Jefferson inherited about 175 slaves combined from his father and father-in-law, but own about 600 over the course of his life. Most of them he acquired through the procreation of the slaves he inherited. He only bought around 20 or so, either to meet labor demands at Monticello or to unite spouses.
And you're thinking of Sally Hemings. Elizabeth was her mother. He did promise his late wife, Martha, that he would never remarry. He did have a sexual relationship with Sally, who was Martha's half-sister and is said to have resembled her.Capn Circus posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.
You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time.
the bolded part, like what specifically about me? try to have something substantial.
right and wrong never changes. the only thing that changes is what society considers acceptable. this is basic common sense that I'm being forced to point out because your argument is intellectually dishonest. at best.Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!How the f*** can someone say 'wrong is wrong regardless of the time period'. The time period is the most important part of determining what's right and wrong, because society's opinion on that is always changing.
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