May 15, 2018

FBI detain black man for 5 months for no legit reason

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UnfairRepresent 15 hours ago#2
Investigators began monitoring Balogun, whose legal name is Christopher Daniels, after he participated in an Austin, Texas, rally in March 2015 protesting against law enforcement, special agent Aaron Keighley testified in court.

the marchers’ anti-police statements, such as “oink oink bang bang” and “the only good pig is a pig that’s dead”. The agent also mentioned Balogun’s Facebook posts calling a murder suspect in a police officer’s death a “hero” and expressing “solidarity” with the man who killed officers in Texas when he posted: “They deserve what they got.”


Ehhhh

The FBI was way out of line to hold him for 5 months and it worries me that it might set a precedent for them to do it more often but man this man is an asshole and it makes it hard to sympathize with him.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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muchdran 15 hours ago#3
Called a cop killer a hero. Shouldn't take that seriously at all.
If liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.
Makeveli_lives 15 hours ago#4
muchdran posted...
Called a cop killer a hero. Shouldn't take that seriously at all.

Whatever happened to the first amendment?
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UnfairRepresent 15 hours ago#5
muchdran posted...
Called a cop killer a hero. Shouldn't take that seriously at all.

He also attended rallies calling for dead cops, carried weapons and taught "Self Defense" of black people against corrupt cops.

As I said it's hard to sympathize and its easy to see why the FBI was watching him.

But even so it's not right that they held him for 5 months and fucked his family up. I think the FBI is so afraid of all these guys who were "under watch" commiting attacks that they are overzealous.

Like that stabby guy in France was "under watch" and still commited terrorism, now the French cops look bad. So I think the FBI is possbily waaaaaaay too over eager to catch people before they even did anything and we end up with fucking Minority Report.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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And who is it that has lately by saying how crooked and biased the FBI is? Oh that's right, Trump. This is the FBI that liberals have been praising.

Liberals and Democrats, you don't get to corrupt the FBI for your own personal witch hunt against our duly elected president and then be outraged when they do something crooked that you don't like.
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Axiom 15 hours ago#7
Keighley made no mention of Balogun’s specific actions at the rally, but noted the marchers’ anti-police statements, such as “oink oink bang bang” and “the only good pig is a pig that’s dead”. The agent also mentioned Balogun’s Facebook posts calling a murder suspect in a police officer’s death a “hero” and expressing “solidarity” with the man who killed officers in Texas when he posted: “They deserve what they got.”

Keighley, however, later admitted the FBI had no evidence of Balogun making any specific threats about harming police.”


FBI agent himself said the guy didn't make any threats. Literally thought policing
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I4NRulez 15 hours ago#8
they should monitor him but holding him for 5 months is pretty insane lol
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UnfairRepresent 15 hours ago#9
DifferentialEquation posted...
And who is it that has lately by saying how crooked and biased the FBI is? Oh that's right, Trump. This is the FBI that liberals have been praising.

Liberals and Democrats, you don't get to corrupt the FBI for your own personal witch hunt against our duly elected president and then be outraged when they do something crooked that you don't like.

Wut
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Spooking 15 hours ago#10
The official one-count indictment against Balogun was illegal firearm possession, with prosecutors alleging he was prohibited from owning a gun due to a 2007 misdemeanor domestic assault case in Tennessee. But this month, a judge rejected the charge, saying the firearms law did not apply.

That's the reason.
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ASithLord7 15 hours ago#11
muchdran posted...
Called a cop killer a hero. Shouldn't take that seriously at all.

Oh boy this plus your sig sure is ironic

Should every trumpeteer who called for hillary or obama to be killed have been detained?
Fony 15 hours ago#12
Yet they can't detain school shooters who they have on a watch list and monitor their online chats planning massacres.
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Cheater87 15 hours ago#13
He praised cop killers, I can see why they saw him as a threat.
KStateKing17 15 hours ago#14
DifferentialEquation posted...
And who is it that has lately by saying how crooked and biased the FBI is? Oh that's right, Trump. This is the FBI that liberals have been praising.

Liberals and Democrats, you don't get to corrupt the FBI for your own personal witch hunt against our duly elected president and then be outraged when they do something crooked that you don't like.

Lol no one likes the fbi

Fony posted...
Yet they can't detain school shooters who they have on a watch list and monitor their online chats planning massacres.

This
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oh, this guy?

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kingdrake2 8 hours ago#16
it's that guy, i hope he never gets out of jail he's ****ing crazy.
even crazier than the people who took over a state park in oregon that year.
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Howl 8 hours ago#17
Literally rallying people to murder police officers. Fair, next.
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KrystalSNES 8 hours ago#18
holy hell that dude is tall
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A_Good_Boy 8 hours ago#19
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.
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kingdrake2 7 hours ago#20
A_Good_Boy posted...
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.


those white supremacists are looney tunes as well.
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Howl 7 hours ago#21
A_Good_Boy posted...
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.


Who tf defends white supremacists?
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MARKINGRAM22 7 hours ago#22
A_Good_Boy posted...
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.


I’m sure to you everyone that thinks rallying people to murder cops and promotes it completely supports new nazis. Of course everyone has a right to speak and say ignorant bs, but it is pretty transparent when people like tc leave all that info out. Not that I’m completely addicted on board, but he was very close to inciting murder...vey close.
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Bishop9800 7 hours ago#23
Howl posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.


Who tf defends white supremacists?


Where have you been?
Ving_Rhames 6 hours ago#24
FBI should be doing this to those blatant future school/public mass shooters.
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Ving_Rhames posted...
FBI should be doing this to those blatant future school/public mass shooters.

If we locked up every troubled teen talking shit We'd fill every prison in the nation before we got halfway
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Howl 5 hours ago#26
Bishop9800 posted...
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Who tf defends white supremacists?


Where have you been?


I honestly would like to know who.
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Makeveli_lives 2 hours ago#27
Howl posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Weird how people that defend white supremacists at Charlottesville see no issue with this guy being detained.


Who tf defends white supremacists?

Good people on both sides
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Ammonitida 2 hours ago#28
Rakem Balogun, who was arrested in December 2017, could be the first case of the government attempting to charge people as being a “black identity extremist,” a category of terrorism the FBI coined late in 2017. The reasoning behind this new term is the FBI's concern that the murder of black people by law enforcement could cause “premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence” against the police. So, to qualify for the classification of “black identity extremist,” critics argue one must simply be black and frustrated with the flagrant police brutality in this country.


Yet again, we have a "leftist" misrepresenting that FBI report. In reality, only those black "activists" who were associated with virulently racist ideologies were called "black identity extremists". The report went out of its way to distinguish them from regular BLM activists. 

Now note these bolded parts.

FBI Detained a Black Man for 5 Months for Being an Activist and Legal Gun Owner


The agent also mentioned Balogun’s Facebook posts calling a murder suspect in a police officer’s death a “hero” and expressing “solidarity” with the man who killed officers in Texas when he posted: “They deserve what they got.”


WTF is wrong with this author?
Howl posted...
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Where have you been?


I honestly would like to know who.


Would you be fine with jailing those who orchestrated the Unite the Right rally prior to the event itself?
HypnoCoosh 2 hours ago#30
Makeveli_lives posted...
muchdran posted...
Called a cop killer a hero. Shouldn't take that seriously at all.

Whatever happened to the first amendment?


Freedom of speech not freedom of consequence.
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The Admiral 2 hours ago#31
He's the story from a non-clickbait site that isn't trying to promote racism hysteria.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charges-dropped-in-first-case-against-black-identity-extremist

Daniels’ advocates believe he was the first person to be prosecuted under a new government classification for domestic terror threats, which the FBI calls “black identity extremists.” The FBI uses the term to describe individuals who resort to violence or unlawful activities “in response to perceived racism and injustice in American society,” according to a copy of the report obtained and published last year by Foreign Policy magazine.
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Activist and attorney Kamau Franklin sees the case against Daniels, who was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, as part of an effort to criminalize black activism. “He spent six months in jail. You can’t do organizing work when you are in jail and your family is struggling around your case.”

Footage of the demonstration aired by the right-wing conspiracy website InfoWars showed demonstrators chanting “oink oink bang bang” and “the only good pig is a pig that’s dead.”


This guy is a racist extremist who wanted to kill cops, and he had an illegal weapon. Fuck him, hope he enjoyed his jail time.
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Bloodychess 2 hours ago#32
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oh, this guy?

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The Admiral posted...
This guy is a racist extremist who wanted to kill cops, and he had an illegal weapon. Fuck him, hope he enjoyed his jail time.


Why did you cut out half the article?

The classification attracted a deluge of criticism from the media, civil rights leaders, and politicians, some of whom saw in the FBI’s report a return to J. Edgar Hoover’s COINTELPRO program targeting domestic political organizations....

Daniels, a founding member of both Guerilla Mainframe and the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, groups that promote weapons training, fitness, and community service among African Americans, first came under FBI scrutiny in 2015 when he appeared in videos participating in an open-carry rally against police brutality....

The InfoWars video drew the FBI’s attention to Daniels’ social media accounts, according to court documents, where he published what they deemed to be comments advocating for “violence toward law enforcement.” However, a special agent who testified in the case also admitted during Daniels’s detention hearing that his rhetoric produced no evidence that Daniels directed others to cause harm to a law enforcement officer, nor did it demonstrate he wanted to do so.
The Admiral 2 hours ago#34
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
This guy is a racist extremist who wanted to kill cops, and he had an illegal weapon. Fuck him, hope he enjoyed his jail time.


Why did you cut out half the article?

The classification attracted a deluge of criticism from the media, civil rights leaders, and politicians, some of whom saw in the FBI’s report a return to J. Edgar Hoover’s COINTELPRO program targeting domestic political organizations....

Daniels, a founding member of both Guerilla Mainframe and the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, groups that promote weapons training, fitness, and community service among African Americans, first came under FBI scrutiny in 2015 when he appeared in videos participating in an open-carry rally against police brutality....

The InfoWars video drew the FBI’s attention to Daniels’ social media accounts, according to court documents, where he published what they deemed to be comments advocating for “violence toward law enforcement.” However, a special agent who testified in the case also admitted during Daniels’s detention hearing that his rhetoric produced no evidence that Daniels directed others to cause harm to a law enforcement officer, nor did it demonstrate he wanted to do so.


Because it's not really relevant. The guy's racist and extremist rhetoric got him onto a domestic terrorism watch list, and while he was being watched he was observed having an illegal gun. Tough shit for him.
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But the gun charge was dismissed?

EDIT: And you don't think a special agent who testified in court is relevant to the situation? Why?
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Dustin1280 2 hours ago#36
Dude is a racist asshole who beat up a woman in the past and definitely deserved to be held up for a little bit I don't really sympathize with him at all even if his life was screwed up for being detained for 5 months. 

But objectively 5 months is extreme and as Unfair Represents said a dangerous precedent to set.
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Twin3Turbo 2 hours ago#38
The Admiral posted...
Because it's not really relevant. The guy's racist and extremist rhetoric got him onto a domestic terrorism watch list, and while he was being watched he was observed having an illegal gun. Tough shit for him.

Honest question because I don't know, is having an illegal firearm worth 5 months in jail? Is that the normal sentence for someone with his previous criminal history (I don't know if he has one or not)?

Because if it isn't, it's a bit troubling to that people just go "Well he did this ONE thing wrong so anything that happens to him after that is a-ok"
Bloodychess 2 hours ago#39
Dustin1280 posted...
But 5 months is extreme and as Unfair Represents said a dangerous precedent to set.


Dangerous precedent and it gives his clan to go out and "fight" for once he's out
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The Admiral 1 hour ago#41
The Great Muta 22 posted...
But the gun charge was dismissed?

EDIT: And you don't think a special agent who testified in court is relevant to the situation? Why?


It's not relevant. What's relevant is whether he had an illegal weapon or not.

According to the FBI, he wasn't allowed to own it because he was convicted of beating the shit out of a woman ten years ago. The TN court judge disagreed and said this wasn't enough to limit him from owning a firearm (this is usually the kind of gun control ruling that outrages the left, BTW):

The indictment was dismissed May 1, when a district court in Texas determined “domestic assault” as codified by Tennessee law does not fit the federal definition of domestic violence that would prohibit him from owning a firearm. Daniels was ultimately released from custody two days later.
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Howl 1 hour ago#42
The Great Muta 22 posted...
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I honestly would like to know who.


Would you be fine with jailing those who orchestrated the Unite the Right rally prior to the event itself?


I honestly don't know enough about the specifics of it to answer. I can ask questions if you'd be willing to educate me and then I could answer your question.

1. Were any of them openly calling for violence?
2. Were any of them part of groups that were or have openly called for violence?

If either of those questions is a yes, then yes I'd be ok with it entirely.
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Conflict  refugee love block me1 hour ago#43
HypnoCoosh posted...
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Whatever happened to the first amendment?


Freedom of speech not freedom of consequence.


You don't know the benefits of 'freedom of speech', do you

Hint: its benefit is that you can't get arrested for non-threatening things you say
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thelovefist 1 hour ago#44
Seems like a fine upstanding citizen to me.
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The Admiral 1 hour ago#45
Explains why Draje hasn't been posting in a quite a while.
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Howl 1 hour ago#46
The Admiral posted...
Explains why Draje hasn't been posting in a quite a while.


XD are you insuiating that he's been detained as well?
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The Admiral posted...
It's not relevant. What's relevant is whether he had an illegal weapon or not.


Why isn't it relevant? And your attempts to evoke emotion don't matter
The Admiral 1 hour ago#48
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
It's not relevant. What's relevant is whether he had an illegal weapon or not.


Why isn't it relevant? And your attempts to evoke emotion don't matter


My pointing out that this guy is a racist extremist is certainly relevant, since it's what got him on the FBI watchlist in the first place.
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HypnoCoosh 1 hour ago#49
People are literally only defending him because he's black and they are likely black as well because there is literally NO reason to defend this guy. None.
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Dustin1280 1 hour ago#50
HypnoCoosh posted...
People are literally only defending him because he's black and they are likely black as well because there is literally NO reason to defend this guy. None.

Fuck that guy, he is a women beating racist. I don't care how unfairly he is treated.

But objectively 5 month detainment for little to no current offense is a scary thing.
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    thelovefist 1 hour ago#51
    HypnoCoosh posted...
    People are literally only defending him because he's black and they are likely black as well because there is literally NO reason to defend this guy. None.

    I think you can not defend him and be troubled by someone being detained without charge or trial (not sure if that happened here) for 5 months.
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    There are people who claim it’s a violation of the first amendment when universities don’t bring in conservative speakers who are now fine with this man being held by the FBI because of what he said.
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    thelovefist 1 hour ago#53
    shockthemonkey posted...
    There are people who claim it’s a violation of the first amendment when universities don’t bring in conservative speakers who are now fine with this man being held by the FBI because of what he said.

    I don't think explicit threats should be treated lightly whoever they are directed towards or made by.
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    A_Good_Boy 1 hour ago#54
    thelovefist posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    There are people who claim it’s a violation of the first amendment when universities don’t bring in conservative speakers who are now fine with this man being held by the FBI because of what he said.

    I don't think explicit threats should be treated lightly whoever they are directed towards or made by.

    Didn't the FBI say he didn't make any explicit threats, just that he was at a rally where others were? I mean, thank goodness he wasn't at a rally where people were calling for a peaceful ethnic cleansing.
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    The Admiral 1 hour ago#55
    shockthemonkey posted...
    There are people who claim it’s a violation of the first amendment when universities don’t bring in conservative speakers who are now fine with this man being held by the FBI because of what he said.


    Interesting how you think "conservative speaker" and "black racist extremist who wants to murder police" are somehow equivalent.
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    Ammonitida 1 hour ago#56
    A_Good_Boy posted...
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    I don't think explicit threats should be treated lightly whoever they are directed towards or made by.

    Didn't the FBI say he didn't make any explicit threats, just that he was at a rally where others were? I mean, thank goodness he wasn't at a rally where people were calling for a peaceful ethnic cleansing.


    On Facebook, he called the Dallas shooter his "hero", and said that the cops he killed, "got what they deserved".
    Ammonitida 1 hour ago#57
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    Didn't the FBI say he didn't make any explicit threats, just that he was at a rally where others were? I mean, thank goodness he wasn't at a rally where people were calling for a peaceful ethnic cleansing.


    On Facebook, he called the Dallas shooter his "hero", and said that the cops he killed, "got what they deserved".


    Which is ironic given this study conducted after the shooting.
    https://tinyurl.com/yan8ustf

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    spudger 1 hour ago#58
    So many racists
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    Anyone who supports this is dumb. It just means you support the ability for law enforcement to hold you or anyone else for arbitrary reasons they make up that aren't even law. It's literally jumping feet first into a police state. Think a little bit.
    thelovefist 1 hour ago#60
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    Anyone who supports this is dumb. It just means you support the ability for law enforcement to hold you or anyone else for arbitrary reasons they make up that aren't even law. It's literally jumping feet first into a police state. Think a little bit.

    Being held without charge or trial is not good.
    Uttering explicit threats to an individual or groups of people is not good.

    You, and several others in this topic, seem incapable of accepting both of these.
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    shockthemonkey 58 minutes ago#61
    Ammonitida posted...
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    Didn't the FBI say he didn't make any explicit threats, just that he was at a rally where others were? I mean, thank goodness he wasn't at a rally where people were calling for a peaceful ethnic cleansing.


    On Facebook, he called the Dallas shooter his "hero", and said that the cops he killed, "got what they deserved".

    Those aren’t threats.

    Those are horrible statements, but protected ones.
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    darkjedilink 50 minutes ago#62
    So are we allowed to say that the FBI is a shithole organization now?
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    Makeveli_lives 48 minutes ago#63
    His attorney also argued that the Tennessee domestic assault law did not apply to the firearms prohibition in the federal statute because the state offense was not necessarily a crime of violence. U.S. District Judge Sidney Fitzwater agreed in a May 1 ruling and ordered the charge dismissed.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/05/14/black-activist-celebrated-murders-police-social-media-says-feds-targeted-political-views

    To all those saying he beat the shit out of some woman, that appears to not be the case
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    Dustin1280 32 minutes ago#64
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    His attorney also argued that the Tennessee domestic assault law did not apply to the firearms prohibition in the federal statute because the state offense was not necessarily a crime of violence. U.S. District Judge Sidney Fitzwater agreed in a May 1 ruling and ordered the charge dismissed.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/05/14/black-activist-celebrated-murders-police-social-media-says-feds-targeted-political-views

    To all those saying he beat the shit out of some woman, that appears to not be the case

    He was charged with domestic assault in Tennessee
    https://statelaws.findlaw.com/tennessee-law/tennessee-domestic-violence-laws.html

    Since I can't find anything related to his specific crime, that is enough for me to dismiss him as scum when combined with his racist attitude and wishing all cops dead.

    That doesn't make 5 months detainment w/o trial okay, that in itself is a big issue.

    But I really don't care what happens to this dude and frankly am glad his family life was wrecked. I have no empathy for people charged with domestic assault, murder, or any type of forced rape.
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