What life lesson did you learn from your first job?
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That you should never work without a contract that hasn't been negotiated either by yourself or with collective bargaining.
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>>1212290 (OP)
That I could buy things and sell them at a profit.
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>>1212290 (OP)
People in general suck.
Black managers will scare off white applicants and slowly ghettofy the workplace.
Never work min wage after your first employment gig.
People shit on you for the most petty of reasons, even if your only interaction with them is them being wrong about something.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Never confide in a co-worker about your personal life. Never go drinking with your boss' peer in the company. Never make fun of the ugliest woman in the office because the CEO might be fucking her.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Black people are as bad as /pol/ makes them out to be.
Indians, Arabs, and Jews really are cheap.
Hooking up with coworkers is fine too
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>>1212290 (OP)
My first job was like 8 years ago. Was essentially working fast food at a grocery store.
Thing that jumps right out to me is that there are very different kinds of minimum wage jobs. I would have much rather have worked the cash registers than the fast food section (coming home covered in chicken grease).
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>>1212290 (OP)
Skills like project management, organisation, time management and presenting are the key things that will seperate you from the crowd.
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#1 You don't know jack about jack coming out of school
#2 No one will give you a significant raise, so keep job-hopping at reasonable intervals
#3 A great job can appear boring and sucky at first glance
#4 Start working an hour early and leave an hour late for the first year of your employment.
Can't think of anything else right now.
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>>1212290 (OP)
was at my high school's parents association giving books to students or their parents. some of the parents had me fill their checks for them because they couldn't write. i had barely filled checks myself before.
lesson: a lot of people don't have it as good as me and still deserve respect.
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1. Women are terribly incompetent leaders
2. If a close coworker is a narcissist, find a different job immediately
3. When socializing, stick to safe topics like sports, tv/movies, and music. Don't discuss personal finances, politics, or religion.
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That you shut up even if your manager sucks serious ass. It's quite easy to tell them off but in doing so, YOU lose money and a job. Literally, on my first day, my bitch manager yelled at me for not getting it right. Didn't help that she skipped a ton of steps which I was to know somehow. Apparently, she was having a bad day and what better to relive stress than to pick on the newbie. Anyway, just stay for awhile for the "experience" and then find something better.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Many people stay in a job that overall leaves them severly dissatisfied because with their specialisation switching jobs would mean less pay for more work. Kind of a sunken cost fallacy, althought it's not objectively a fallacy, it's just trading certain unhappiness with solid finances and a good lifestyle for uncertain happiness and lots of hassle.
Talking about health care here.
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>>1212290 (OP)
>Doing your job twice as fast and better then your co workers makes them hate you for being better then them.
> Kiss ass and pretend you like them. It pays off in the long run.
>only work as hard as they pay you. If you do extra work and favors for others all the time, you'll be loaded with every one else's work and never be promoted. (why pay you more when you do all the work for free. Fucking beta)
>if you can show up to work early to show you are serious. Just wait around till your shift starts. Read a book or something.
Also always have multiple incomes. Even if it's just a little extra. Like ebay resale, dropshipping, draw furry porn for money I dunno whatever you like.
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Don't be over-productive, no one appreciates that, if you stand out too much, others will bring you down. Know your thing and do your thing, no less, no more, don't let anyone put on you more work than it's included in your responsibilities, if they do, fuck them or fuck this work.
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>>1212519
What's wrong with traveling? I love it.
>mileage
>per diem allowances
>free hotels
>get to see the world
I jump at every chance I get to travel overnight because it's usually a good time and the mileage and expense allowances sometimes are as large as my pay for that week.
It gets lonely though I guess and I don't have a GF at home...maybe that's why.
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>>1212553
>coming home from work to an empty hotel room 6 months a year
>living out of a suitcase
>get sick of going out to eat about 3 months in
>nothing to do in the middle of the country
>never get to see friends/family/gf
>get sick of coworkers after about 3 days of being with them
>hotel breakfast sucks
>feel like a whore
I could go on and on its not all its cracked up to be, there's no way per diem, airline, hotel, and rental car points are worth being treated like a whore
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>>1212573
You do kind of get those feelings.
Like I said maybe it's because I don't have a GF, so coming home to an empty hotel room is almost the same as coming home to an empty apartment. And I only travel one or two weeks out of a month, I definately wouldn't want to go six months like you described. Also I'm always alone so I don't have to worry about coworkers.
Still, for an unattached single male I think the perks are worth it. The money adds up fast if you can resist the temptation of getting hammered every night at the bar out of depression and loneliness.
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>>1212290 (OP)
That I'm not a quq and shouldn't have to work for anyone else.
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>>1212290 (OP)
>never trust or rely on your employer beyond the absolute necessity
>nothing that is not written down means anything
>never admit any faults (even innocent ones) unless it's true and you're forced
>always have two month's pay in case you need to drop everything and change jobs immediately
>everyone, and I mean EVERYONE who talks to you, regardless of how nice/cool/benevolent they seem, have a non-trivial agenda
>there's a reason why NCOs are sent to command another unit when they're being promoted to COs
>people don't like winners (related to above)
>change jobs every 2-4 years if you're looking to double up your salary within the decade
>always keep looking for a better deal
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>>1212786
all very true anon. Especially the agenda part which leads me into:
>keep your fucking mouth shut, you are there to work not make friends, all networking you do isn't making friendship it is an exchange of benefits disguised by superficial relationship
Anyway, quit my first cuck job and have learnt a lot, but my other advice is.
>nobody is forcing you to work there
if you find yourself bitching and moaning about the job and its non-trivial things that are slowly eroding your soul and being then just fucking call it quits, it doesn't have to be tomorrow but call it quits in your mind, prepare the next step so you don't fall flat on your face and pull the trigger. You don't owe your workplace shit if they are making you feel miserable.
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>>1212290 (OP)
I will never be treated the same way a white person will, even if they're poorer or dumber than I am
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>>1212290 (OP)
Being popular is more important than being productive.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Become self-employed or I will be miserable for the rest of my life.
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>>1212290 (OP)
My first job was delivering newspapers.
Carry your own weight, nobody really wants to help you.
Help others when they ask for it(and it's not unreasonable of course), and be genuinely nice about it.
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>>1212290 (OP)
whenever a new manager/owner comes along i better find another job and quit because it would only be a matter of time that the new boss is going to want to get rid of all the old people in order to bring in his/her own
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>>1212411
>#4 Start working an hour early and leave an hour late for the first year of your employment.
I'll counter this. Any time you're at work and your supervisor isn't there, it's assume you're screwing around/not there. Even if someone rats you out and says you leave right after he does, it doesn't matter because that's what's assumed anyway.
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>>1212311
so true. at my first job which was a car dealership i worked in the service dept as a tech/mechanic. when i needed help diagnosing a car not much people wanted to help me out. one guy said "its not my job to help you" another said "i dont know so i cant help you" and the guy who was in charge of helping others out was too busy hanging out when i needed him and he was pissed on how i always need help to get the job done right. i hate how people who already have experience forget where they came from, they started at the bottom too not knowing anything. the boss just put me doing easy things so i wouldnt have to bother anybody for help and i never got the chance to do real work at the job only gravy work i got (oil changes, tires, state inspections).
>>1212364
>Never make fun of the ugliest woman in the office because the CEO might be fucking her.
why would you do such a thing to begin with? making fun of another person.
>>1212411
>Start working an hour early and leave an hour late for the first year of your employment.
baka why would you work for free? bosses dont give a fuck, if you did that they would expect more from you for free
>>1212549
hope you lost your job fag and they give you a bad reference. its not a nice feeling having people talk shit about you especially at a job. i'v been through that. that was the last push i needed to quit my old job apart from new managers running the place like shit. i was the youngest guy there so older guys saw in me what they werent at my age
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I learned that the whole "start low and work your way up in the company" thing is mostly a meme. The hardest thing for a company is to find competent and dependable workers to fill those shit positions. If you're retarded enough to actually try and work hard, you'll just get worked to the bone indefinitely because that's what they need. In some rare cases, you may get lucky and be the most qualified for an immediate hire to a slightly better position if no one else is available. This is really the only time this meme comes true, but it's based on luck. There are probably some outliers with family owned businesses etc...but for the most part you will never move beyond these entry level positions.
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>>1213479
how? you can get to know people and if they like you you can get a job after the intern is over. at my old highschool there were internships, some guys got jobs being mechanics for the police cars. after the intern was over so was their job. but they were told to go to a vocational school get the degree and they were able to come back. sense they already knew people and must have gave a good impression they were pulled back in. usually a job like a police car mechanic is hard to get and its years of waiting to called from a list
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>>1212290 (OP)
Nice thread OP, we should have more of this.
Never follow the crowd. Establish your interests and goals from it, and then jealously defend it. If you go with the flow, you'll end up being mediocre for the rest of your life.
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>>1212290 (OP)
If something needs to be done, you'd better do it yourself, now. Because otherwise it ain't happening, or someone else will fuck it up.
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>>1212290 (OP)
i dont want to work with computers
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owning a shop
find out that those mobile games full of micro transaction is actually quite realistic because in that games when you are run out of money/resource you are virtually out of moves and have to wait, just like running business in real life.
>inb4 credit card/loan
my people don't do that
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Always approach a situation from a position of power.
If you live in the EU and your company's full time contract is for "40 hours a week" don't sign it. If it is for "39 hours a week" it's fine. EU directive on allowable work hours means they can't rota you in for a 50+ hour week without your explicit permission unless you signed it in your contract.
Performance management is code for 'I care about numbers and bonuses not actual performance, sustainability or staff quality'.
Minimum wage gets minimum effort.
Build your team well, but not so well that other departments may steal your staff before you move on.
Always have your employer need you more than you need your employer.
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It's a miracle the world even functions at all. Most people have no idea what they're doing. Everybody is faking it. Nobody knows how anything works. Most technology is outdated and held together with duct tape. The 10% of people who know what they're doing are carrying the other 90%. The deadweight could drop out of the workforce tomorrow and everything would still work, but we decided that everyone needs an "income" so we created busywork for them. You will never use education or theory to solve problems, just trial & error. People only care about what works and hate change.
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>>1213876
This guy knows.
I work in the IT of a major bank and it's mind boggling that, from the outside, things seem to work so well.
From the inside you realize how much of a clusterfuck everything is.
There are dozens of systems that contain the same redundant informations, and none of them are ever synchronized with each other.
You end up with a customer having 5 different addresses across the whole network and shit like that.
I'd guess over 70% of the code I write is error handling code needed to handle all the inconsistencies between the various systems.
It's crazy.
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>>1212290 (OP)
1. Supermarkets are bitchy places to work
2. Banging girls at work is easy
3. Watching men go through mid-life crises is funny
4. Some people above will try to find literally anything to shit on you about.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Doing your job well doesn't mean jack shit if you don't do the little things to make your boss's life easier, and always have a growth strategy in mind, because the minute you stop growing is the minute you start decaying.
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>>1213983
>implying it hasn't been suggested a million times
You're talking about legacy systems that have been in place for decades.
IBM 3270 mainframes are still the backbone of the entire banking world, and there's no end in sight.
Nobody wants to disrupt the status quo.
They just make the minimum necessary adjustments to keep everything sort-of-running, because no one really knows what would happen if you tried to pull off a major infrastructural change in the system.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Never give it all, they'll get used to it and it will get you tired.
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>>1212411
#4 is stupid and wrong. If you're working ten hour days in an entry level menial job, even one that actually requires thinking, people are going to think you're retarded. If anything, you clock on and out on time, and ask for more work so your boss knows you're productive with your time.
Also, your work product matters the most when you're new, because that's when it's scrutinized the heaviest.
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>>1212861
This is good advice. Good male managers outnumber good female managers by a country mile, and there's no easy way to really know if any manager will be good or not; your best bet is to play the odds.
I've had 3 female managers and two male managers. All my female managers had at least one critical failing they were totally blind to (one was spineless, one was egotistical and hyper competitive, one had such bad mood swings she alienated her entire staff). My experience with male managers has been a much more easy going and consistent experience.
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>>1213471
Some companies still value good talent and hard work and reward it, but it doesn't really exist in small or mid size firms for various structural reasons. I know of a handful of f500s that are good at bringing up and training staff, but that's mostly because they're large and diverse enough (using the portfolio definition of diverse here) to move you around the company so you can gain new experience and training (so you're basically job hopping without having to leave the company).
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>>1213983
This isn't about the system being spaghetti glues together into separate working systems. Thats fine.
This is about the fact that systems grow into spaghetti, then they get glued together with other clumps of spaghetti.
Because there is no real plan. Its just a attempt to staying ahead of the curve. Then the company buys out some other company, and try to eat their IT system.
Or in times of dire need, a consult firm was hired, to do something, which made something new.
And people coming and leaving in this time frame. And different parts of the companies having different departments.
And the fact that merging the systems is expensive from a time perspective.
So its not that nobody cares, its about the natural state of spaghetti, to evolve into strands of mess.
Even in the best case, a company will eat other companies.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Are we counting childhood jobs?
If so, having a paper route taught me that outsourcing the assembly part of production to poor children is highly profitable.
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>>1213876
>Pretty much.
I first learned this in the Corps. Almost verbatim, the stuff we were taught in the last month of boot was taught all over again (a month later) in combat training. Then they repeated it a third time once we got to Infantry training.
I know the intelligence bar is low for servicemen, but holy fuck, what a waste of time.
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>>1212290 (OP)
go to college or youll be stuck with asshole coworkers
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1. If you don't know how to play golf, learn it, and get good at it
2. Work for a small company to start (I found that people were friendlier and more willing to help)
3. Make sure where ever you work you get trained very very well. Its like college except the knowledge is useful.
4. Teach yourself how to write and communicate well
5. Realize that life is absolutely meaningless and your sole purpose on earth is to make money
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>>1214088
Oh ya also. Working hard is a pointless meme. Most people don't notice or don't care. Only do it if it directly makes extra money. Go in at 9 leave at 5:30 and enjoy your free time. If your compatent that is all success required
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>>1212290 (OP)
Being a dishwasher... I learned to never wait for work to pile up. I would feel smothered on holidays and weekends due to the dishes piling so high... At one point I became so infatuated with having a cleared dish pit that I would run to the line to get things before they could hand me them. In my current job, I beat people to doing things before they can tell me to.
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>>1212290 (OP)
Socializing is pretty much necessary, even if you don't want to.
People don't like it when you just show up, do your job, and leave.
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>>1214096
What the fuck are you talking about?
Putting in the extra, when it counts, is what makes all the difference. It's why I'm getting paid more than people who have been at my job for years over me. It's why I'm getting better benefits and free schooling. It's why I only have to work 4 days instead of 5 and still taking home more.
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>>1212290 (OP)
If you work for over a month and the employer still postpones signing your contract you might find yourself having worked illegally like a fucking spic
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