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So now if someone were to say "Are you stupid?" in a topic, the post wouldn't be deleted, but they'd be notified that they broke the rules?
That would be a good thing.
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Also I am pretty sure implied insult was indeed moddable, like it was one of the examples given of what is flaming for as long as I've been on the site. Not that me saying this I suspect would matter to anyone deadset on the contrary when even an admin saying that didn't get through.
I'm sure it's not marked a ton though.
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SBAllen posted...
Posting hate speech based on race has been and still is against the Terms of Use. If you're reporting racist posts that aren't being deleted by all means contact me privately about it and I'll look into it. If you aren't reporting it, dunno what you're expecting us to do. I know it’s too much to expect you to know everything that goes on here, but I think this really downplays the level of the problems here. If you google “gamefaqs current events,” the third suggestion after regular old “gamefaqs current events” and “gamefaqs current events archive” is “gamefaqs current events racism.” The board is pretty known for being like this. The mods are often pretty lax on dealing with stuff like diet racism and trolls skirting the boundaries on intolerance, and it allows that kind of posting to proliferate. As annoying as it is to see literally everyone being called a cuck, soyboy, snowflake, etc, I just find this policy doesn’t really take the steps other communities are taking to try and make gaming more inclusive. No one wants to be called a name, but also I’ve seen that one Jewish caricature more here than anywhere else in my life, and I’d much rather be called a cuck in than see that go unmodded again. I’d just like to feel like gamefaqs actually cares about the comfort of some of its minority populations, rather than expecting them to just toughen up, shake off the bigotry, and move on. |
Does this only apply to the flaming of GameFAQs members? Can people still call Trump or Hillary idiots or morons?
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Tmk posted...
DrizztLink posted...Also, is anything ever going to be done about all the necrobumping? Yeah. Like this topic, where there are half a dozen of them keeping this dead thread around for more than a month: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76104870
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DrizztLink posted...Also, is anything ever going to be done about all the necrobumping? Lol yeah. He deletes the posts after someone else posted which leads to a pages where 1/4 of the posts are deleted |
I hope that rule gets rolled back when you guys realize how insanely stupid that is. I thought 13 was the minimum age requirement for the boards, not the max.
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@DrizztLink posted...
Also, is anything ever going to be done about all the necrobumping? At this point I'd say as long as they are not continually being the only person bumping the thread and are actually having some sort of a discussion I don't see there being anything to really do with them anymore. If a topic of yours is being bumped like that I'd recommend just closing it after it's been 5 minutes without a post if you so desire.
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CookieMarvin posted...
but also I’ve seen that one Jewish caricature more here than anywhere else in my life I've been on this board for over a decade and have never once seen this.
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only 18 years too late but hey progress is progress
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And the smart thing to do about the necrobumping would be to bring back "This message was deleted at the request of blah blah blah" but I guess seeing a username next to a moderation is a much bigger deal than that. Talk about priorities
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I hope that rule gets rolled back when you guys realize how insanely stupid that is. I thought 13 was the minimum age requirement for the boards, not the max. I'm really not sure where this notion keeps coming from that not tolerating namecalling is a kiddy kind of deal. Like, what planet do you live on where you experience more rampant namecalling in adulthood than in childhood? When I was a kid I and everyone else got called names all the time and nothing was ever done about it. Then people grow up and people don't do that shit anymore. You got it backwards. A site that lets every topic derail into petty pissy namecalling is a hell of a lot more childish than one that tries to stop it.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
LanHikari10 posted...thelovefist posted...show hidden quote(s) We can't say Saxon = joke account now? Worst update ever! I'm kidding, of course. All of this sounds great, SB. Keep up the good work.
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CookieMarvin posted...but also I’ve seen that one Jewish caricature more here than anywhere else in my life wow, I can’t believe the poster that actively tries to excuse other people’s intolerance doesn’t notice a caricature that was designed to make fun of a minority population on the low. what a twist! |
Tmk posted...
Is there a distinction made in flaming between saying something someone said is dumb, and calling them dumb? Could a modmin chime in on this? It's something I've actually been curious about for awhile, and this seems like the best time to get clarification.
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CookieMarvin posted...but also I’ve seen that one Jewish caricature more here than anywhere else in my life I've seen a ton of anti-semitism here between the triple parantheses to that shekelstein meme |
I hope telling people to 'shut the fuck up' is bannable under these new rules.
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@DrizztLink posted...Also, is anything ever going to be done about all the necrobumping? That's really not how it goes down most of the time. Sometimes old topics form a little community, that's fine. I'm talking about one guy with an array of alts just quoting something or tossing out a "lol" every 2 or 3 days. |
CrazyandLazy posted...
I hope telling people to 'shut the fuck up' is bannable under these new rules. haha
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CookieMarvin posted...
The Admiral posted...CookieMarvin posted...show hidden quote(s) I'm not inclined to trust you either, as if you're a shining beacon of being unbiased. I've never seen it on here. Plenty on 4chan, not a single instance on here because it would get modded in a snap. The image equivalent of a racial slur wouldn't stick around for more than a minute.
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gonna be pretty quiet around here now that the redhats and altrighties have lost their favored (and only) debate tactic
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So... no one here will ever qualify for one of those non-delete moderations, rights?
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Hahaha so the left now has to actually debate instead of throwing out buzzwords. mario2000 posted... gonna be pretty quiet around here now that the redhats and altrighties have lost their favored (and only) debate tactic 🤔
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The Admiral posted...CookieMarvin posted...show hidden quote(s) Addy himself parrots the inherently antisemitic cultural marxism conspiracy theory |
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CookieMarvin posted...The Admiral posted...show hidden quote(s) buddy, I wish you were right |
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...Hahaha so the left now has to actually debate instead of throwing out buzzwords. Both sides are awful. It's the American way. |
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AzureAnihilator posted...These are decent changes, I support this. :o This is fantastic |
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...CookieMarvin posted...show hidden quote(s) yea it's baffling why hate speech would get moderated
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ClunkerSlim posted...
So is "cuck" a flame now or not? Yeah, that would would qualify under 'any name calling'.
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hahahaha whose alt is this
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CookieMarvin posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...CookieMarvin posted...show hidden quote(s) I've never heard of that tripe parenthesis thing, but the Shekelstein pic would get modded severely here if anyone posted it. Just mark it. The fact that most of us have never seen it is probably evidence that's it's deleted quickly and regularly.
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CookieMarvin posted...weapon_d00d816 posted...show hidden quote(s) I have never heard of either the triple parenthesis or the shekelstein thing, I think that guy is completely full of it.
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Metua posted...
Flaming will no longer be defined by how "bad" the flame is. If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported (unless it's very clearly in jest). "Light flames" will no longer be a thing. No name calling, period. We will generally start with NWD on flames unless you're using seriously offensive flames in which case you'll probably be moderated for Offensive instead anyway. I give Rebel a week or so before he gets the hammer under this new rule.
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If a certain bunch of users constantly harass me by calling me an alt, despite me proving I’m not, could that count as flaming/harassment? They all use some form of HeyJohnHothlin, HothlinHey, Hothlin, or some variation of calling me a shitposting alt. I have asked them to stop calling me an alt and detailing my topics but they have only intensified their behavior. I would just like to know what could be done about this.
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The Admiral posted...CookieMarvin posted...show hidden quote(s) I have no idea what he's talking about and I'm a Jew. I think I'd have noticed. |
So anyway, would "dingus" be considered a flame now?
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If a certain bunch of users constantly harass me by calling me an alt, despite me proving I’m not, could that count as flaming/harassment? They all use some form of HeyJohnHothlin, HothlinHey, Hothlin, or some variation of calling me a shitposting alt. I have asked them to stop calling me an alt and detailing my topics but they have only intensified their behavior. I would just like to know what could be done about this. Yeah you can't be an alt, it's just pure coincidence that you started posting here for the first time the moment you had enough karma to post on CE
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ohhhhhnoooo posted...
If a certain bunch of users constantly harass me by calling me an alt, despite me proving I’m not, could that count as flaming/harassment? They all use some form of HeyJohnHothlin, HothlinHey, Hothlin, or some variation of calling me a shitposting alt. I have asked them to stop calling me an alt and detailing my topics but they have only intensified their behavior. I would just like to know what could be done about this. You haven’t proven anything lol
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ohhhhhnoooo posted...
If a certain bunch of users constantly harass me by calling me an alt, despite me proving I’m not, could that count as flaming/harassment? They all use some form of HeyJohnHothlin, HothlinHey, Hothlin, or some variation of calling me a shitposting alt. I have asked them to stop calling me an alt and detailing my topics but they have only intensified their behavior. I would just like to know what could be done about this. "mark it and move on"
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is calling someone an alt offensive???
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So if I say "These rules are stupid", I won't get moderated for flaming since its different from "(This person) is stupid", right?Error's bootycallChromaticAngel posted...SuperNamekGod posted...
Is this in response to xsquader threatening legal action bc he got his feelings hurt?
no. the posts for this date back to mid 2017. It's been a long time coming.
its kinda weird that any name like joke poster or dork is moddable though.Questlove, you not in the house.Yeah, flaming applies to users, not ideas/objects.LanHikari10 posted...ToPoPO posted...
Is calling someone a welcher moddable now? wtf
Yeah, it's a name that you'd be calling someone.
How...how is that a name? It's saying they welched on a bet.
Jesus Christ lmao literally whatLanHikari10 posted...Yeah, flaming applies to users, not ideas/objects.
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Yeah, flaming applies to users, not ideas/objects.
The TOU is a cuck
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gottemQuestlove, you not in the house.LanHikari10 posted...Yeah, flaming applies to users, not ideas/objects.
oh good so I can still say communism and nazism is shitQuestlove, you not in the house.(edited 16 hours ago)reportCan I call Trump bad names still or no? Presumably, he isn't a member of CE.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
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Yeah, it's a name that you'd be calling someone.
How...how is that a name? It's saying they welched on a bet.
Jesus Christ lmao literally what
It's an ethnic slur referring to Welsh people. I'm surprised that you of all people weren't aware of that.SuperNamekGod posted...LanHikari10 posted...
Yeah, flaming applies to users, not ideas/objects.
oh good so I can still say communism and nazism is shit
But not a nazi communist user 🙃If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at allkyujo posted...Irony posted...
What even is broken street dates?Since when was broken street dates against the rules?
good while I'm pretty sure
Often had to be careful of that on game boardsI think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles BukowskiSBAllen posted...If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported (unless it's very clearly in jest).
SBAllen posted..."Light flames" will no longer be a thing. No name calling, period.
AYO HOLD UPQuestlove, you not in the house.(edited 16 hours ago)reportthanosibe posted...What even is broken street dates?
when a store sells you a copy of the game before the release date.
usually happens with locally owned mom and pop stores who don't care and it can't be enforced.UnholyMudcrab posted...RebelElite791 posted...
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How...how is that a name? It's saying they welched on a bet.
Jesus Christ lmao literally what
It's an ethnic slur referring to Welsh people. I'm surprised that you of all people weren't aware of that.
Welsher is.MC_BatCommander posted...CookieMarvin posted...
congrats, you’ve proven that racism doesn’t exist on ce.
...I feel like you're fighting for no reason here. No one said racism doesn't exist, people are contesting your claim that this site tolerates racism, which is demonstrably false.
I am ostensibly fighting for no reason here, as nothing is going to come out of it. I’m basically just killing time waiting for this pot pie to cook. My original point, however was that gamefaqs allows intolerance, as long as it doesn’t pass a certain threshold. The example in my response to Allen just happened to be the Jewish caricature, that we’ve all gotten hung up on.
My original example was ce’s transphobia, but mentioning that immediately brought people trying to justify it, so I figured I would move on to something that would hopefully resonate with more folks better. Unfortunately people decided that was all in my head, so ðŸ¤ChromaticAngel posted...thanosibe posted...
Oh so before you'd get a moderation if you mentioned you got a game before the official release date?What even is broken street dates?
when a store sells you a copy of the game before the release date.
usually happens with locally owned mom and pop stores who don't care and it can't be enforced.I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowskithanosibe posted...What even is broken street dates?
Playing the game before its release date because a store broke the release date by selling early.
This never applied to things like ea ea early access or the newer trend of digital deluxe games "releasing" 3 days earlierIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at allthanosibe posted...ChromaticAngel posted...
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Oh so before you'd get a moderation if you mentioned you got a game before the official release date?show hidden quote(s)
when a store sells you a copy of the game before the release date.
usually happens with locally owned mom and pop stores who don't care and it can't be enforced.
I posted screenshots from a Star Wars Visual Dictionary for TFA that someone on reddit legally bought at a store that sold it before the street date and was modded for illegal activities.SuperNamekGod posted...SBAllen posted...
If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported (unless it's very clearly in jest).
SBAllen posted..."Light flames" will no longer be a thing. No name calling, period.
AYO HOLD UP
I'm sure the former only apply to mods when they joke with each other. They don't know if we're joking or not.Error's bootycallVery pleased to see the rules are being updated to reflect that the majority of users of this website are adults.the polyfilla way look strong in the weakness of the gapsDesuDeku posted...SuperNamekGod posted...
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AYO HOLD UP
I'm sure the former only apply to mods when they joke with each other. They don't know if we're joking or not.
The mods are very good at reading intent. I'm sure they'll get it right.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
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AYO HOLD UP
I'm sure the former only apply to mods when they joke with each other. They don't know if we're joking or not.
That's dumb, why would he even need to say that then?Questlove, you not in the house.SBAllen posted...Metua posted...
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ohhh shit sonnnnnRebelElite791 posted...thanosibe posted...
Wow. That seems a bit excessive. I mean is it really illegal for a business to sell a game before release date even?ChromaticAngel posted...
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Oh so before you'd get a moderation if you mentioned you got a game before the official release date?
I posted screenshots from a Star Wars Visual Dictionary for TFA that someone on reddit legally bought at a store that sold it before the street date and was modded for illegal activities.I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowskithanosibe posted...Oh so before you'd get a moderation if you mentioned you got a game before the official release date?
yes, usually very harshly as well. 3KL was a light punishment. Lots of people would just straight up be warned.
like even if you left it in the shrink wrap and just said you got a copy you'd be modded.SuperNamekGod posted...DesuDeku posted...
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I'm sure the former only apply to mods when they joke with each other. They don't know if we're joking or not.
That's dumb, why would he even need to say that then?
As an out for "moderator discretion" which is really what every infraction or rule on this site boils down to in the end.SuperNamekGod posted...DesuDeku posted...
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I'm sure the former only apply to mods when they joke with each other. They don't know if we're joking or not.
That's dumb, why would he even need to say that then?
Careful. Calling someone's idea dumb is now equivalent to calling that person dumb.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
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That's dumb, why would he even need to say that then?
Careful. Calling someone's idea dumb is now equivalent to calling that person dumb.
Nonsense :DError's bootycallJustMyOpinion posted...SuperNamekGod posted...
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That's dumb, why would he even need to say that then?
Careful. Calling someone's idea dumb is now equivalent to calling that person dumb.
My bad, I should've thought about all the people I won't offend.Questlove, you not in the house.So i can finally mark users who call me namesV-E-G-Y- posted...So i can finally mark users who call me names
That has always been the case tho...V-E-G-Y- posted...So i can finally mark users who call me names
Even pet names?!No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbhV-E-G-Y- posted...No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbh
With good reason.Questlove, you not in the house.V-E-G-Y- posted...No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbh
How are you a creep?Error's bootycallExactly, I'm not a creep but mods allowed da name calling
Not anymore according to sbollenV-E-G-Y- posted...No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbh
I mean, you do come off as very creepy at times with certain topics and posts you make. If you don't want it, then stop making topics about would you "allow" a woman to do X if Y, or typing like a child while fantasising over a woman. Or your (possibly as a gimmick) posts around "new CEgirls"(edited 16 hours ago)reportV-E-G-Y- posted...Exactly, I'm not a creep but mods allowed da name calling
Not anymore according to sbollen
I'm not sure if creep was ever the right word. You're more like Master Roshi. Except instead of fighting, you've funneled that effort into posting on GameFAQs. You have all the rest of his qualities, though.Funkydog posted...V-E-G-Y- posted...
No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbh
I mean, you do come off as very creepy at times with certain topics and posts you make. If you don't want it, then stop making topics about would you "allow" a woman to do X if Y, or typing like a child while fantasising over a woman. Or your (possibly as a gimmick) posts around "new CEgirls"
Not that I don't agree with you but tbh, for consistency's sake even a post like this should be modded according to the new rules since you couldn't say "you come off as very stupid at times" previously and if creep is to be put on the same level of stupid then this wouldn't be allowed either.</topic>(edited 16 hours ago)reportGiftedACIII posted...Funkydog posted...
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I mean, you do come off as very creepy at times with certain topics and posts you make. If you don't want it, then stop making topics about would you "allow" a woman to do X if Y, or typing like a child while fantasising over a woman. Or your (possibly as a gimmick) posts around "new CEgirls"
Not that I don't agree with you but tbh, for consistency's sake even a post like this should be modded according to the new rules since you couldn't say "you come off as very stupid at times" previously and if creep is to be put on the same level of stupid then this wouldn't be allowed either.
Seems like the rules aren't getting any more consistent if that post doesn't get modded. Just a narrower view still selectively enforced if that's the case.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
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V-E-G-Y- posted...
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I mean, you do come off as very creepy at times with certain topics and posts you make. If you don't want it, then stop making topics about would you "allow" a woman to do X if Y, or typing like a child while fantasising over a woman. Or your (possibly as a gimmick) posts around "new CEgirls"
Not that I don't agree with you but tbh, for consistency's sake even a post like this should be modded according to the new rules since you couldn't say "you come off as very stupid at times" previously and if creep is to be put on the same level of stupid then this wouldn't be allowed either.
I mean, if it does get modded so be it. I still think Vegy purposely acts as he does and wants the negative attention though.(edited 16 hours ago)reportAzureAnihilator posted...These are decent changes, I support this.
3DS FC: 4382 - 2449 - 5707 IGN: Anthonyhaha it's great because the trolls are going to troll more and then just mark people for flaming themFunkydog posted...V-E-G-Y- posted...
No, users call me creep all da time and dey never get modded tbh
I mean, you do come off as very creepy at times with certain topics and posts you make. If you don't want it, then stop making topics about would you "allow" a woman to do X if Y, or typing like a child while fantasising over a woman. Or your (possibly as a gimmick) posts around "new CEgirls"
If dis doesn't get modded den holy fuck, da new tos is a failuressj3vegeta posted...If dis doesn't get modded den holy fuck, da new tos is a failure
Make sure to mark it then! I can't mark my own posts for you unfortunately.(edited 16 hours ago)reportWhat exactly is the line for “hate speech” here? There’s a clear difference between calling someone the N word and discussing something like crime statistics between races.Can I call LRod a racist when he cries about no longer being able to make racist posts?- Boards
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