October 11, 2017

Even the national news is saying the Vegas shooter had help.

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They say it doesn't add up. They care saying it's most likely he had help. The conspiracy guys called that one. 

Will this be the Isis connection? Or an unknown person still at large? Or do you still think it was a lone wolf?
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Atombender 6 days ago#2
I love how ISIS is f***ing with everyone's brain. You hear someone yelling allahu akbar, you s*** your pants.
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davishippo 6 days ago#3
MAY have had helped and it would have been during planning. It's simple, they still are trying to find a motive so they are keeping options open.
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jimmysheva 6 days ago#4
I want to know what's going on in the one hour gap between the last shot fired and the police breaking into the room. was someone else there, killed paddock and carried on the mass shooting? and then escaped?
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davishippo 6 days ago#5
jimmysheva posted...
I want to know what's going on in the one hour gap between the last shot fired and the police breaking into the room. was someone else there, killed paddock and carried on the mass shooting? and then escaped?

Security guard came up to his room and was shot. Maybe he killed himself slightly after that thinking more police were nearby.
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Gradieus 6 days ago#6
I don't understand at what point help was required. It was smart of him to set it up the way he did but he was an accountant, logic was literally his job for 30+ years.

The gun shop owners have him on file, they all let him buy the guns he had legally.

He had a lot of money, he easily rented a lavish hotel room he surveyed from the ground. A simple radar distance tool from the ground could measure the 500 yard distance.

Cameras aren't rocket science, one was a webcam and the other a video baby monitor. 

When exactly was help needed? Just seems like someone who thought about it a lot. He probably had more planned but was surprised hotel security even had the courage to go to his hotel room.
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

Vegas shooter was gambling heavily for 20 years which sounds very odd that he wouldn't be involved with some dark organization. The mainstream coverage doesn't add up, and the investigation can be done by many alternative media sources when there's like hundreds or thousands of testimonials to pick information from.
AC_Dragonfire posted...
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances.

No.
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mercurydude 4 days ago#9
AC_Dragonfire posted...
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

It's funny how the crackpots always insist that the very first accounts, when everyone is disoriented, running, and trying to stay alive above all else, are the most reliable, and when people have safety and can focus more on what's actually going on, that's less reliable.
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TonyKojima 4 days ago#10
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

Was that a newer interview? The one I heard had his brother describing him as some regular guy who "lived in a house in Mesquite"
Hyena 20 4 days ago#12
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.


No, there isn't. Echoes can come from more than one direction, too. Particularly if you are surrounded by flat planes of stone, glass, or metal.

Even some of the nutsos on Free Republic who are familiar with both that environment and firearms have pointed this out. Do I have to link to the Townhall article (of all things) debunking/explaining this s***?
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Anyone who looks at it logically comes to the conclusion that it’s very very difficult to really accept the answer we got

The investigation should absolutely in the upcoming weeks show us an internet trail 

People have reasons

Even crazy people

This lone wolf no motive and the girlfriend knowing nothing isn’t lining up with reality
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Mephsuit 4 days ago#14
AC_Dragonfire posted...
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.


Yeah, also there was a missile fired at the Pentagon and Michael Brown was killed execution style with his hands up.

Also, did you know that jet fuel can't burn hot enough to melt steel? Think about it.
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1337toothbrush posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...
From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

Was that a newer interview? The one I heard had his brother describing him as some regular guy who "lived in a house in Mesquite"

interview from about 3 days ago. Was the 2nd interview this week.
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monkmith 3 days ago#16
1337toothbrush posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...
From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

Was that a newer interview? The one I heard had his brother describing him as some regular guy who "lived in a house in Mesquite"

there was an interview with the girlfriend where she said he'd been spending his time recently laying in his bed and yelling.
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young_flip 3 days ago#17
Investigators are puzzled partly because he didn't go on social media vomiting out the contents of his day everyday. Zero footprint.
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wstfld 3 days ago#18
Atombender posted...
I love how ISIS is f***ing with everyone's brain. You hear someone yelling allahu akbar, you s*** your pants.

If I was in Penn Station or something and I heard someone yelling that, I'd quicken my step at least.
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monkmith 3 days ago#19
wstfld posted...
Atombender posted...
I love how ISIS is f***ing with everyone's brain. You hear someone yelling allahu akbar, you s*** your pants.

If I was in Penn Station or something and I heard someone yelling that, I'd quicken my step at least.

if i was there and heard someone shouting gibberish at the top of their lungs i'd run too, doesn't matter what it was.
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Mephsuit posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.


Yeah, also there was a missile fired at the Pentagon and Michael Brown was killed execution style with his hands up.

Also, did you know that jet fuel can't burn hot enough to melt steel? Think about it.


Yeah, but all those chemicals that make the chem trails can burn hot enough to melt steel. Think about it.
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Hyena 20 3 days ago#21
mercurydude posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...
There was definitely multiple shooters from the amount of testimonials saying there were echos of 2 guns being used from different elevations/distances. From the interview with the shooter's brother, the guy is an insane psychopath.

It's funny how the crackpots always insist that the very first accounts, when everyone is disoriented, running, and trying to stay alive above all else, are the most reliable, and when people have safety and can focus more on what's actually going on, that's less reliable.


Yup. You should see threads on that stuff as it happens.
"It's been an hour? Why is there no press release yet? What do they have to hide?"

and

"They're scrubbing the inconvenient evidence as we speak"

Also, believing in conspiracies because of what was initially reported on the police scanners. "What about that one guy in front of the mall?" or whatever.
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crillgamer 3 days ago#22
Most likely all hotel/casinos will start to install eye-in-the-sky cameras in hotel hallways and stairwells. Most don't have them. Someone setting up cameras outside his room would have been a red flag.
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snakes_righteye 3 days ago#23
I think they're looking for accomplices because they just can't believe he did all of that preparation and nobody noticed. 

He acquired all those guns all those modifications all that ammunition all those materials for bombs. He scoped out multiple different concerts from multiple different hotels to try to get the best vantage point set up all of his weapons in his room and nobody noticed
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TonyKojima 3 days ago#24
snakes_righteye posted...
I think they're looking for accomplices because they just can't believe he did all of that preparation and nobody noticed. 

He acquired all those guns all those modifications all that ammunition all those materials for bombs. He scoped out multiple different concerts from multiple different hotels to try to get the best vantage point set up all of his weapons in his room and nobody noticed

There is a reason for that. But I will likely get modded for saying why.
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snakes_righteye 3 days ago#25
TonyKojima posted...
snakes_righteye posted...
I think they're looking for accomplices because they just can't believe he did all of that preparation and nobody noticed. 

He acquired all those guns all those modifications all that ammunition all those materials for bombs. He scoped out multiple different concerts from multiple different hotels to try to get the best vantage point set up all of his weapons in his room and nobody noticed

There is a reason for that. But I will likely get modded for saying why.


In this day and age when everything is monitored I get personalized ads sent straight to me because of what I have in my internet history. Everything I do is monitored by someone how is it this guy was not monitored by anyone. 

And that is stupid if you get modded for saying whatever it is you're going to say. 

You're probably going to say it's because he's white and Rich. There's probably some truth in that. The rich part especially rich people get plenty more perks just for being alive
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Wait, did TC have a source?

Or is this all baseless BS?
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snakes_righteye 3 days ago#28
zeppelin4ever42 posted...
Wait, did TC have a source?

Or is this all baseless BS?


http://abc7news.com/officials-vegas-shooter-intended-to-escape-may-have-had-accomplices/2487554/
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TonyKojima 3 days ago#29
snakes_righteye posted...
TonyKojima posted...
snakes_righteye posted...
I think they're looking for accomplices because they just can't believe he did all of that preparation and nobody noticed. 

He acquired all those guns all those modifications all that ammunition all those materials for bombs. He scoped out multiple different concerts from multiple different hotels to try to get the best vantage point set up all of his weapons in his room and nobody noticed

There is a reason for that. But I will likely get modded for saying why.


In this day and age when everything is monitored I get personalized ads sent straight to me because of what I have in my internet history. Everything I do is monitored by someone how is it this guy was not monitored by anyone. 

And that is stupid if you get modded for saying whatever it is you're going to say. 

You're probably going to say it's because he's white and Rich. There's probably some truth in that. The rich part especially rich people get plenty more perks just for being alive

I neither confirm nor deny this ;)
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Al-Uzza 3 days ago#30
AC_Dragonfire posted...
Vegas shooter was gambling heavily for 20 years which sounds very odd that he wouldn't be involved with some dark organization.


????
snakes_righteye posted...
In this day and age when everything is monitored I get personalized ads sent straight to me because of what I have in my internet history. Everything I do is monitored by someone how is it this guy was not monitored by anyone.


I know this may be amazing to you and some of the younger people here, but you don't really need the internet to live a life. It's crazy, I know. But not everyone is on Facebook and Twitter. Not everyone has a Netflix account.

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Al-Uzza posted...
Vegas shooter was gambling

There's stories of the Vegas shooter working with his brothers to get more money through gambling. 
"Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler"
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/las-vegas-gunman-earned-millions-as-a-gambler-nbc.html
DaGecko43 3 days ago#33
snakes_righteye posted...
TonyKojima posted...
snakes_righteye posted...
I think they're looking for accomplices because they just can't believe he did all of that preparation and nobody noticed. 

He acquired all those guns all those modifications all that ammunition all those materials for bombs. He scoped out multiple different concerts from multiple different hotels to try to get the best vantage point set up all of his weapons in his room and nobody noticed

There is a reason for that. But I will likely get modded for saying why.


In this day and age when everything is monitored I get personalized ads sent straight to me because of what I have in my internet history. Everything I do is monitored by someone how is it this guy was not monitored by anyone. 

And that is stupid if you get modded for saying whatever it is you're going to say. 

You're probably going to say it's because he's white and Rich. There's probably some truth in that. The rich part especially rich people get plenty more perks just for being alive

And now you know why he stayed offline. You said it yourself you know you are being monitored online. This dude just out smarted the digital age which fed his ego. I for sure know how he saw the average human.... kind of scary thing that i understand his mentality on the situation
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DaGecko43 3 days ago#34
I can guarantee you Stephen Paddock felt he was destined for something great. Rather it be great evil or the greater good.... he felt he was blessed to be different than the average human. All this was was proof to himself of his own belief in himself and his “purpose” for being born. 100% a sociopath mixed with psychopath mentality. He 100% thought he was gonna escape
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crillgamer 3 days ago#35
A lot of people his age can't stand social media or the internet in general. It could be that as well.
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Really feels like this main shooter dude had 1 or more people help him bringing the guns n ammo to the hotel room. There was something about having cameras on the food carts. There's pictures of 2 broken windows that didn't sound the Hotel alarms. Those alarms might have been tampered with that night.
DaGecko43 3 days ago#37
AC_Dragonfire posted...
Really feels like this main shooter dude had 1 or more people help him bringing the guns n ammo to the hotel room. There was something about having cameras on the food carts. There's pictures of 2 broken windows that didn't sound the Hotel alarms. Those alarms might have been tampered with that night.

The windows in Vegas aren’t security alarm sensored. Vegas has more cameras than you could imagine. They can see everyone who went to the 32nd floor quite easily
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RoyalDroneX 3 days ago#38
wasn't it ruled out he basically rented two rooms to find an optimal firing range?
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crillgamer 3 days ago#39
DaGecko43 posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...
Really feels like this main shooter dude had 1 or more people help him bringing the guns n ammo to the hotel room. There was something about having cameras on the food carts. There's pictures of 2 broken windows that didn't sound the Hotel alarms. Those alarms might have been tampered with that night.

The windows in Vegas aren’t security alarm sensored. Vegas has more cameras than you could imagine. They can see everyone who went to the 32nd floor quite easily


I don't know about the windows but few hotel/casinos will have cameras in hotel hallways. MGM and Tropicana do. But Mandalay doesn't. If they did I'm surprised a hotel customer setting up his own camera surveillance didn't cause concern.
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