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They said the president made the decision this afternoon after meeting with aides. DACA is an Obama-era initivate that grants work permits to more than 800,000 undocumented immigrants who were brought by family members as children. This will spark fury towards the White House on either side of the aisle and Trump and his aides worked through noon to decide how to best announce this controversial decision. The president was trying to make up his mind on whether or not ot end this program since inauguration as Trump railed against Obama and slammed it as an "illegal amnesty" that he would immediately end. Though he made it a campaign promise, there were moments it looked like he would not address the program because of its popularity and he even suggested Friday that "We love the Dreamers, We love everybody". Some GOP lawmakers urged him to change his mind on DACA and even Paul Ryan suggested he not end it. He said "These are kids who know no other country, who are brought here by their parents and don't know another home. And so i really do believe there needs to be a legislative solution" Jeff Sessions apparently played a role in rewriting a new immigration law to persuade Trump to terminate the program. Trump will delay the ENFORCEMENT of the new immigration decision and deportation of immigrant children by 6 months That window will give congress some time to act but no doubt this will anger millions of americans but shore up his base who put him over the line of the presidency Do you think these 800,000 kids should be kicked out? Trump - The Devil http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/04/03/43DF91F000000578-4849680-image-a-36_1504492014907.jpg Dreamers - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/04/03/43CE11D800000578-4849680-image-a-44_1504492135762.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/04/03/43BBE0A700000578-4849680-image-m-51_1504492204173.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/04/04/43BBE12800000578-4849680-Though_Trump_s_announcement_on_Tuesday_will_anger_millions_of_Am-a-4_1504497311753.jpg
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Vicious_Dios posted... Obamas way of saying the illegal immigrants dont have to be deported yet Now trumo is saying they do have to be deported
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Their parents knew the risks of all of them potentially being deported at any time the government decided when they brought their children over, and the children also learned of the risk their parents took as they got older and wiser. Only the naive bleeding hearts are surprised and angered by this finally happening.
Hmm...
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Paragon21XX posted...
Their parents knew the risks of all of them potentially being deported at any time the government decided when they brought their children over, and the children also learned of the risk their parents took as they got older and wiser. Only the naive bleeding hearts are surprised and angered by this finally happening. So what were these children supposed to do, then?
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The23rdMagus posted...
Paragon21XX posted... Nothing, their parents should have legally followed the immigration process.
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The23rdMagus posted...
Paragon21XX posted... Live their lives happily in america for the few years their parents cheated out of society until they have to move back home. Pretty sweet deal actually, they arent even being punished
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Rika_Furude posted...
The23rdMagus posted... Deportation for someone else's crimes isn't a punishment?
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The23rdMagus posted...
Rika_Furude posted... Would you rather they lose their parents and be put into a foster program?
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Bloodychess posted...
The23rdMagus posted... These are primarily adults.
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The23rdMagus posted... The "dreamers" are victims of human trafficking, and should be treated accordingly. Similarly, the traffickers who brought them here illegally should also be treated accordingly. |
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tremain07 posted...
Man, ICE is going to be really busy in the coming months, dragging people out of their homes and places of work by the dozens is going to take alot of man power especially if those people decide they don't want to go quietly Is that even going to happen, or is the plan to just wait for a dreamer to get a parking ticket? |
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Rika_Furude posted...
The23rdMagus posted... Their parents have paid more in taxes since moving here than Trump has in the same time.
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Questionmarktarius posted...
tremain07 posted... The plan is as soon as the 6 months are up to grab as many as they can find and immediately put them on planes back to their country of origin or rather a country they have no freaking clue about since they were raised as Americans, this could possibly be sending people to their deaths if they're from places hostile to Americans period and even sending people to the wrong country because their parents may have traveled through there in their journey to America, this is going to hurt a whole lot of people for no reason other than to appease the alt-right and Trump's base.
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glad to see we have our priorities in order rofl
Who else is next on the s***list for the trumpsters |
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DD Divine posted...
Gafemage posted... Nah. Trump is that boss you beat in the first fifteen minutes, who just keeps popping up all throughout the rest of the game anyway for some reason. |
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The23rdMagus posted...
Rika_Furude posted... No, jail is a punishment. They got free rein in America for a number of years, what more do they need? |
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No one who supports DACA seems to care about the kids who are trying to get into the country legally and how the prevalence of illegals slows down legal immigration.
What kind-hearted people you are for favoring rulebreakers over the kids who deserve citizenship.
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Trumpanzees who were born in the US with a silver spoon in their mouth have such an easy time saying they want these kids deported.
These kids/now adults were raised in the US and don't know anything else. Why deport them if they are willing to contribute to society by working, or going to school?
Trololol
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DemonBuffet posted...
Trumpanzees who were born in the US with a silver spoon in their mouth have such an easy time saying they want these kids deported. because it sets an awful anchor-baby precedent |
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Rika_Furude posted...
DemonBuffet posted... The only flaw is that we've let anchor babies be anchors. Chain migration isn't a bad thing. Anchor-babies, however, short circuit that process. |
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Fine with me. Their damn parents should have come here legally like my great grandparents did. Ship them all back and make them stand in line and do it right.
Not to mention the freebies CA and the feds like to hand out to these a******s because "Aw, you poor immigrant. Here illegally? That's okay, here's free xyz, here's assistance, here's grants and scholarships for college. etc, etc." All while actual citizens get shafted. Well f*** them. Send them back.
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DD Divine posted... Ahhh yes that fits him
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EternalDivide posted...
Fine with me. Their damn parents should have come here legally like my great grandparents did. Ship them all back and make them stand in line and do it right. The kids didn't have a choice in the matter and would likely be sent "back" to a country they don't remember and a language they don't speak.
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Should have been brought here the legal way.
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RebelElite791 posted...
Brownshirts out in full force today
The left has falsely cried racism so often that it no longer means anything. What will you do when nobody cares about being falsely accused of being a nazi anymore? Will you call everybody you disagree with Satan or cancer next?
Edit: Actually the only thing worse than being called a Nazi is to be called a communist. I wonder if that's next.
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas SowellLet's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.Paragon21XX posted...
Their parents knew the risks of all of them potentially being deported at any time the government decided when they brought their children over, and the children also learned of the risk their parents took as they got older and wiser. Only the naive bleeding hearts are surprised and angered by this finally happening.
Go back to a country with one of the fastest growing economies in the world
Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig.Cleo_II posted...
Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.
This is a ridiculous analogy.
Why couldn't this be a cut-off thing? Like no new applicants or a restriction to a specific year, but people already on the program with jobs and lives could stay and be eligible for full citizenship?
even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinPitbuller_26 posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.
This is a ridiculous analogy.
Except, it's not.Cleo_II posted...
Pitbuller_26 posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.
This is a ridiculous analogy.
Except, it's not.
It is, because they stole a car, hurting the owner. These kids did nothing except maybe make a life for themselves. Some are highly skilled and making great contributions to America.
even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinDREAMERs for the most part have lived in America most of their lives even though they were not born here. They have been educated here and are very much for lack of better words domesticated. If nothing else they should be given a chance to remain in the country. To take a test to be American citizens most should be able to pass. Not giving them this opportunity would be wrong. They shouldn't be punished for something they can't control.
That is not making this country great.
No sig.Bullet_Wing posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Pitbuller_26 posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.
This is a ridiculous analogy.
Except, it's not.
It is, because they stole a car, hurting the owner. These kids did nothing except maybe make a life for themselves. Some are highly skilled and making great contributions to America.
They have taken work and education opportunities from rightful citizens and residents though.The23rdMagus posted...
The kids didn't have a choice in the matter and would likely be sent "back" to a country they don't remember and a language they don't speak.
Why should they get to jump the line just because their parents are bad people
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Bullet_Wing posted...
It is, because they stole a car, hurting the owner. These kids did nothing except maybe make a life for themselves. Some are highly skilled and making great contributions to America.
Actually they did hurt a kid who is in the process of immigrating legally since the amount of people we let in is partially dependant on population growth.
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Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Sephiroth1288 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
The kids didn't have a choice in the matter and would likely be sent "back" to a country they don't remember and a language they don't speak.
Why should they get to jump the line just because their parents are bad people
They did nothing wrong themselves, and you'd be completely uprooting their lives for no reason but spite.
even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinSephiroth1288 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
The kids didn't have a choice in the matter and would likely be sent "back" to a country they don't remember and a language they don't speak.
Why should they get to jump the line just because their parents are bad people
Why are their parents bad people?
Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/Bullet_Wing posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
The kids didn't have a choice in the matter and would likely be sent "back" to a country they don't remember and a language they don't speak.
Why should they get to jump the line just because their parents are bad people
They did nothing wrong themselves, and you'd be completely uprooting their lives for no reason but spite.
Sephiroth1288 posted...
No one who supports DACA seems to care about the kids who are trying to get into the country legally and how the prevalence of illegals slows down legal immigration.
What kind-hearted people you are for favoring rulebreakers over the kids who deserve citizenship.The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Misleading topic title, but it's duckbear so what else is new.
It's not official because there has been no official announcement on this, just rumors of what may happen.
DACA is not the solution to the problem. It's not the executive branch's job to make the law, that's up to congress. If people want dreamers to stay, and there are plenty of good reasons for them to, pressure your representatives to make something happen.
good, we have actual American children who badly need help but of course bleeding hearts ITT can't see that and assume there's enough to go around for everyone. Take care of your own first that's common sense
Sephiroth1288 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Why are their parents bad people?
For putting their kids in this position to begin with, obviously.
So why should be bad people too and punish people for the sins of their parents?
BignutzisBack posted...
good, we have actual American children who badly need help but of course bleeding hearts ITT can't see that and assume there's enough to go around for everyone. Take care of your own first that's common sense
Random natural-born American children are no more my own than children born of illegals.
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Why are their parents bad people?
For putting their kids in this position to begin with, obviously.
So why should be bad people too and punish people for the sins of their parents?
interesting so your definition of punish is not giving a free handout? Life isn't a Disney movie dude
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Why are their parents bad people?
For putting their kids in this position to begin with, obviously.
What position were they in previously?
One where there wasn't a good chance of getting deported.
hockeybub89 posted...
So why should be bad people too and punish people for the sins of their parents?
Because there are kids who are trying to come here legally and they basically got their spot stolen?
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248hockeybub89 posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
good, we have actual American children who badly need help but of course bleeding hearts ITT can't see that and assume there's enough to go around for everyone. Take care of your own first that's common sense
Random natural-born American children are no more my own than children born of illegals.
They are in terms of the USA which is what matters
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Because there are kids who are trying to come here legally and they basically got 5th eor spot stolen?
And? Not these other kids' fault. Technically, they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point.
hockeybub89 posted...
they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point.
not anymore
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault
sure but that doesn't mean they get a free pass
Ahhh so this is how you "create jobs"? Just take them away from people after wrongfully deporting them so positions are vacant.
The damage is done. Deporting these people will not help anything. I'd understand blocking anymore people from entering but what does this accomplish now?
Pimpin aint easy
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And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
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Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248BignutzisBack posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point.
not anymore
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault
sure but that doesn't mean they get a free pass
Not anymore maybe. Not official.
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process. I am not going to pick either/or in this situation. My sympathies for dreamers and traditional immigrants.
Sephiroth1288 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Why are their parents bad people?
For putting their kids in this position to begin with, obviously.
What position were they in previously?
One where there wasn't a good chance of getting deported.
Which was what exactly?
Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
Nothing has been stolen from anyone.
hockeybub89 posted...
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.
It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.
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Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
Nothing has been stolen from anyone.
The amount of people we let in legally is dependant on the US population. So yes, we will let in less people if illegals are coming in. In effect, their spot got stolen.
Now explain why you think it's fair to keep a kid from immigrating legally out in favor of a kid who's parents stole their spot
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Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.
It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.
The former would take care of the latter.
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
Nothing has been stolen from anyone.
The amount of people we let in legally is dependant on the US population. So yes, we will let in less people if illegals are coming in. In effect, their spot got stolen.
Now explain why you think it's fair to keep a kid from immigrating legally out in favor of a kid who's parents stole their spot
I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
Nothing has been stolen from anyone.
The amount of people we let in legally is dependant on the US population. So yes, we will let in less people if illegals are coming in. In effect, their spot got stolen.
Now explain why you think it's fair to keep a kid from immigrating legally out in favor of a kid who's parents stole their spot
What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?
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NadYobWoc posted...Congress is likely going to legislate some form of DACA. Would give Trump an out/win, too.
Anyone who supports this is evil btw.
What do you wanna bet that he pushes for funding the useless Wall into those legislations somehow?even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinSephiroth1288 posted...hockeybub89 posted...
And? Not these other kids' fault.
Remember the car analogy? No it's not the kid's fault their parents gave them a stolen car. They still don't get to keep the car. It belongs to someone else.
A stolen car is not analogous as other people who may have wished to immigrate don't have a right to citizenship, while a car owner does have a right to their own car.
Moreoever, people that steal cars are hurting a society, while those who may become vulnerable to deportation, have already contributed to the country, and have already received significant investment in turn from the rest of us through education and public services. To deport these people both takes away large populations that pay into our system and also wastes the large investment we have made in them.
It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong.KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, BasileosCallixtus posted...
It is also immoral. To send these people back to countries they have never known, where they may not even be able to speak the language, uprooting them from the only country they know is just wrong.
Mal just wants to take our problems and push them onto someone else. He really is a true American.hockeybub89 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...
Because there are kids who are trying to come here legally and they basically got 5th eor spot stolen?
And? Not these other kids' fault. Technically, they are here legally anyway so legality is a moot point.
They were never given legal status, only deferred deportation status (they are still considered guilty of unlawful presence, but no action was to be taken against them while they were otherwise law-abiding and up-to-date on their DACA registration).Hmm...hockeybub89 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.
It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.
The former would take care of the latter.
Elaborate?
hockeybub89 posted...I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?
How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to.
Fair?
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?
Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Sephiroth1288 posted...hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.
It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.
The former would take care of the latter.
Elaborate?
hockeybub89 posted...I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?
How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to.
Fair?
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?
Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.
You don't think any illegals live off the grid?Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/Cleo_II posted...Pitbuller_26 posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Let's say someone steals a car who then gives it to their kid, without telling them it was stolen. The kid drives it around unknowingly. Would the car not get repossessed once discovered it's stolen? Or would the kid be given a break because their parent was the thief, and get to keep the car?
The law is the law.
This is a ridiculous analogy.
Except, it's not.
it is
you even left the part about the goverment allowing them to keep it and make a living thx to it
to not be a ridiculous analogy
dont you think you shouldve included the part about giving up those "cars " means having it taken away means they lose their home ,family friends , jobs and pretty much everything else they haveThere is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens.- Boards
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