September 14, 2017

Young Turds: Companies have 'all the right in the world' to issue false DMCAs

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Because someone said something mean.

They're psychos. I have those idiot's election night meltdown saved to my pc. I've watched it about a dozen times. Always great for a good laugh.
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ReignFury 2 days ago#5
Can someone bulletpoint this whole story
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GameofWheels 2 days ago#6
People still watch these genocide deniers? Lmaooo
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Here. Just because really. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever watched.
Like seeing vampires start to desperately panic because the sun is coming up and they have nowhere to hide. They had been so sure there was no such thing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94&t=798s

Love the music they added to it too.
I have no idea why the video isn't embedding.
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devilminion 2 days ago#9
ReignFury posted...
Can someone bulletpoint this whole story


Firewatch Devs have an open statement saying youtubers can upload and monetize videos of their game
Pewdiepie uploads a playthrough of Firewatch years ago
Days ago, Pewdiepie plays a different game on Twitch, exclaims an opponent is an n-word
Firewatch Devs decide they want no association with Pewdiepie, and decide to file DMCA takedown of his firewatch videos

The issue is that technically, Pewdiepie had permission to upload the videos, so a DMCA against his videos would be in bad-faith.
NeonOctopus 2 days ago#10
EternalDivide posted...
Here. Just because really. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever watched.
Like seeing vampires start to desperately panic because the sun is coming up and they have nowhere to hide. They had been so sure there was no such thing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94&t=798s

Love the music they added to it too.
I have no idea why the video isn't embedding.

Damn, that white chick is so salty lol
ReignFury 2 days ago#11
devilminion posted...
ReignFury posted...
Can someone bulletpoint this whole story


Firewatch Devs have an open statement saying youtubers can upload and monetize videos of their game
Pewdiepie uploads a playthrough of Firewatch years ago
Days ago, Pewdiepie plays a different game on Twitch, exclaims an opponent is an n-word
Firewatch Devs decide they want no association with Pewdiepie, and decide to file DMCA takedown of his firewatch videos

The issue is that technically, Pewdiepie had permission to upload the videos, so a DMCA against his videos would be in bad-faith.


Is said permission at the devs discretion?
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cjsdowg 2 days ago#12
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm
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NibeIungsnarf 2 days ago#13
cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm

That's not the issue.

PewDiePie's actions and whether or not they are wrong or whatever is unrelated to whether or not it's okay to abuse copyright laws against him simply to express your disapproval.

But obviously not thinking that copyright laws should be used abusively = defending racism because of the example that was chosen not by the people defending it, but by the abusers.
devilminion 2 days ago#14
ReignFury posted...
devilminion posted...
ReignFury posted...
Can someone bulletpoint this whole story


Firewatch Devs have an open statement saying youtubers can upload and monetize videos of their game
Pewdiepie uploads a playthrough of Firewatch years ago
Days ago, Pewdiepie plays a different game on Twitch, exclaims an opponent is an n-word
Firewatch Devs decide they want no association with Pewdiepie, and decide to file DMCA takedown of his firewatch videos

The issue is that technically, Pewdiepie had permission to upload the videos, so a DMCA against his videos would be in bad-faith.


Is said permission at the devs discretion?


Nope. It was a blanket statement giving everyone permission. 

Can I stream this game? Can I make money off of those streams?

Yes. We love that people stream and share their experiences in the game. You are free to monetize your videos as well.

~http://www.firewatchgame.com/about/

What will likely end up happening from this situation, though, are devs starting to add caveats to their open-streaming/youtubing policies, outlining terms and conditions for uploading footage from their games (some already do, but typically it's just the bare-bones "yes, you can stream/monetize", as seen above)
ReignFury 2 days ago#15
Do the devs have the right to rescind?
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ReignFury posted...
Do the devs have the right to rescind?


Rescission probably isn't even the right question to ask. That statement on the website is hardly a part of any kind of licensing agreement that would provide someone with rights that could be rescinded. I would be interested to see what the licensing agreement actually says. 

The DMCA gives the owners of the IP pretty broad discretion to limit the use by others. It's hard to imagine that a simple statement like the one linked to in this thread would change any of that.
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thelovefist 2 days ago#17
NibeIungsnarf posted...
cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm

That's not the issue.

PewDiePie's actions and whether or not they are wrong or whatever is unrelated to whether or not it's okay to abuse copyright laws against him simply to express your disapproval.

But obviously not thinking that copyright laws should be used abusively = defending racism because of the example that was chosen not by the people defending it, but by the abusers.

Imagine responding seriously to cjsdowg
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SGT_Conti 2 days ago#18
I thought that launching DMCA takedown requests was generally within their legal right because of how broad it was, but that you'd have to be a massive a****** to do it.
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SpiralDrift 2 days ago#19
cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm

Just saying, they're more political commentary than a "news outlet".
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luigi13579 2 days ago#20
I think PewDiePie deserves all he gets, but the DMCA system is a mess. It's so easily abused for censorship.

This seems like a case of supporting something that's wrong just because it seemingly rights an injustice. You can bet that if it DMCA strikes were launched against TYT's videos/channel, they'd flip-flop instantly. I'm just waiting on someone doing that to teach them a lesson.

To be fair though, they're correct that it's within people's rights to do it (and it shouldn't be IMO).
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SpiralDrift 2 days ago#21
I don't understand why people as big as PewdiePie still even rely on youtube anymore.
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Tmaster148 2 days ago#22
SpiralDrift posted...
I don't understand why people as big as PewdiePie still even rely on youtube anymore.


Youtube is still a huge platform and even with the issues with ad revenue due to changes youtube makes with telling content creators they would still lose quite a bit of revenue not putting stuff up on youtube.

Although a lot of content creators are also moving towards other ways to make money outside of youtube ad revenue. I've seen many youtube channels where they also have a patreon for people to donate money to help them create more videos.
NibeIungsnarf 1 day ago#23
PSA: Young Turks are dogs*** bump
_OujiDoza_ 1 day ago#24
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NibeIungsnarf 1 day ago#25
_OujiDoza_ posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
She's so hot

ana kasparian is bae X 1000000

I bet her vag gets all inflamed and moist whenever she has a meltdown on air.
_OujiDoza_ 1 day ago#26
NibeIungsnarf posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
She's so hot

ana kasparian is bae X 1000000

I bet her vag gets all inflamed and moist whenever she has a meltdown on air.

Maaaaan don't get me started...
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ZCheveyo 1 day ago#27
@EternalDivide posted...
I have no idea why the video isn't embedding.

I know this was hours ago, but I think it is because you have it set to jump to a certain time instead of playing from the beginning. I don't think you can do that on this site.
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Zikten 1 day ago#28
the young turks tend to be dumbasses so I usually take what they say and then assume the opposite is the smart choice
NibeIungsnarf 1 day ago#29
Zikten posted...
the young turks tend to be dumbasses so I usually take what they say and then assume the opposite is the smart choice

That's the same approach I take with you!
bidas100 1 day ago#30
cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm
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ReignFury 1 day ago#31
whitelytning posted...
ReignFury posted...
Do the devs have the right to rescind?


Rescission probably isn't even the right question to ask. That statement on the website is hardly a part of any kind of licensing agreement that would provide someone with rights that could be rescinded. I would be interested to see what the licensing agreement actually says. 

The DMCA gives the owners of the IP pretty broad discretion to limit the use by others. It's hard to imagine that a simple statement like the one linked to in this thread would change any of that.


That makes more sense.
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NibeIungsnarf 1 day ago#32
Doubling down on their rhetoric, trying to frame criticism of their perspective as people disagreeing that Firewatch guys SHOULD issue a copyright strike.

Newhopes 1 day ago#33
I hope they do try to DMCA him, it'll be hilarious watching Pew sue their arses.
ReignFury posted...


Is said permission at the devs discretion?

Doesn't matter.

You can't allow someone to make content using your work, then when they make said content retroactively change your mind and declare it to infringe on your copyright.

That's absolute nonsense.

It's on par with saying "It's okay to arrest that man for sexual assault because he called me Poopface last week."

That's not how law works. You can't just pretend people you don't like are guilty of crimes they never commited. You cannot let this become a precedent.

The Young Turks here are being absolutely ridiclous
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Newhopes 1 day ago#35
What do you expect from a channel named after a group of Turks that committed mass murder?
cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the people who hate a progressive news outlet also defending a guy who yelled out racial slurs at people. Hmmm

People are "defending" him in the same vain that hopefully you would defend Donald Trump if he was arrested for causing WW1.

Nothing to do with the person, they're attacking the notion of arresting people for bulls*** reasons over things they did not commit.

You're confusing what you find immoral with what you find illegal.

If a Muslim is morally offended by the fact you masturbate is it okay for him to support you being arrested for Grand Theft Auto simply because he doesn't like you?

No it's not. That's not how society works, that's not how sanity works.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Newhopes posted...
What do you expect from a channel named after a group of Turks that committed mass murder?

Sigless user logic.

"The Young Turks" is a term that has popped up again and again just to mean a passionate group that disagrees with the current status quo.

There have been like 6 political groups who called themselves the Young Turks
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Sunhawk 1 day ago#38
I'd never even heard of these Young Turk people. Are you they famous in America or something? Some people in this topic are talking like everybody knows who they are. But yeah, they didn't take Trump winning well.
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EternalDivide posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94&t=798s


I think Trump is a f***ing clown without value but this was comedy gold.
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gamepimp12 1 day ago#40
UnfairRepresent posted...
ReignFury posted...


Is said permission at the devs discretion?

Doesn't matter.

You can't allow someone to make content using your work, then when they make said content retroactively change your mind and declare it to infringe on your copyright.

That's absolute nonsense.

It's on par with saying "It's okay to arrest that man for sexual assault because he called me Poopface last week."

That's not how law works. You can't just pretend people you don't like are guilty of crimes they never commited. You cannot let this become a precedent.

The Young Turks here are being absolutely ridiclous



Isn't that how license agreements work though. After the contract is up any further use is a copy right infringement.


In this case the contract being a weak verbal agreement.
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Irony 1 day ago#41
They actually do
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gamepimp12 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ReignFury posted...


Is said permission at the devs discretion?

Doesn't matter.

You can't allow someone to make content using your work, then when they make said content retroactively change your mind and declare it to infringe on your copyright.

That's absolute nonsense.

It's on par with saying "It's okay to arrest that man for sexual assault because he called me Poopface last week."

That's not how law works. You can't just pretend people you don't like are guilty of crimes they never commited. You cannot let this become a precedent.

The Young Turks here are being absolutely ridiclous



Isn't that how license agreements work though. After the contract is up any further use is a copy right infringement.


In this case the contract being a weak verbal agreement.

No. Thats not what further use means. 

They can say pewds can't make NEW content. Not that existing ones are invalid retroactively
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Irony posted...
They actually do

In the same sense you have the right to issue a noise complaint about an empty house. Or have the right to accuse Obama of masterminding WW1

It's just an idiotic waste of time and an awful precedent.
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Irony 1 day ago#44
Those comparisons are terrible and it's not an idiotic waste of time if the person issuing them successfully has the vids taken down and them being an awful precedent is debatable.
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Irony posted...
Those comparisons are terrible


Except they are not. They are completely accurate.

Abusing laws and systems to accuse someone of something they didn't do just to punish them because you don't like them.

and it's not an idiotic waste of time if the person issuing them successfully has the vids taken down


1. They won't succeed in doing that.

2. It's still a waste of time either way

and them being an awful precedent is debatable.


In the hyper literal sense along with "murder and rape is bad" being 'debatable'.

But no the argument of "It's okay to abuse laws and systems to harras people you don't like by accusing them of things they didn't do." is not debatable for anyone reasonable. Its utterly stupidly ridiclous.

And if it was you or someone you cared about being accused you'd change your tune so fast you'd make scientists question the limit of the speed of light.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Newhopes posted...
What do you expect from a channel named after a group of Turks that committed mass murder?

Sigless user logic.

"The Young Turks" is a term that has popped up again and again just to mean a passionate group that disagrees with the current status quo.

There have been like 6 political groups who called themselves the Young Turks

Interesting, I didn't know this
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gamepimp12 1 day ago#48
UnfairRepresent posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ReignFury posted...


Is said permission at the devs discretion?

Doesn't matter.

You can't allow someone to make content using your work, then when they make said content retroactively change your mind and declare it to infringe on your copyright.

That's absolute nonsense.

It's on par with saying "It's okay to arrest that man for sexual assault because he called me Poopface last week."

That's not how law works. You can't just pretend people you don't like are guilty of crimes they never commited. You cannot let this become a precedent.

The Young Turks here are being absolutely ridiclous



Isn't that how license agreements work though. After the contract is up any further use is a copy right infringement.


In this case the contract being a weak verbal agreement.

No. Thats not what further use means. 

They can say pewds can't make NEW content. Not that existing ones are invalid retroactively


I'm pretty sure I'm right here.

Each further use referencing any views.
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gamepimp12 posted...

I'm pretty sure I'm right here.

Each further use referencing any views.

Not at all. The work was created, it was transformed content and had permission.

You can't retroactively change that 2 years later because of something said elsewhere. That's not how law works.

Take it from a literal copyright attorney:



The law is actually pretty clear. You cannot just retract a licence whenever you feel like it. That is not how contracts and a licence is a form of contract, works. They could terminate the licence (possibly) so no future work can be made under the expired licence but any existing work would still be safe as it was produced under a valid licence.

The company gave an implied licence (which is a real thing in law) and Pewds created content.

You can't file for previous expressed licensed works which is what they are trying to do.

The developer who is making the claim even flat out says he likes and supports streamers.

Pewds saying a naughty word has nothing to do with copyright. Claiming he is violating copyright IS the same as me right now claiming you commited GTA because you called Laurence Fishburne a poophead and that upset me.

That's now how law works. It's something we should challenge and mock loudly. A horrible and very stupid precedent.
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And he was never seen again
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