http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Basically he or she (I don't know who it is) wrote a decent article that points out some clear, truthful points about gender and many of this person's co-workers are losing their...stuff over it. They must be well off because I assume they'll at least be slow-tracked for this if not losing their job. The left doesn't take kindly to the questioning of their ideas. Examples of things that are demeaning to women that are written: Women on average are more cooperative Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things How dare this person assume that women are more helpful and compassionate. FOR SHAME!
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If you really don't support this then why do you give it clicks?
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I don't see anyone losing their minds.
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Left Biases
Compassion for the weak
Disparities are due to injustices
Humans are inherently cooperative
Change is good (unstable)
Open
Idealist
Right Biases
Respect for the strong/authority
Disparities are natural and just
Humans are inherently competitive
Change is dangerous (stable)
Closed
Pragmatic
I read up on the neurological and biological difference between liberals and conservatives and I never saw these. What are the authors sources for this? Sounds more like a gigantic strawman to me.
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(Topic Creator)1 day ago#5
Examples of responses from other employees:
"a Google employee wrote a 10-page anti-women, anti-diversity manifesto that went "internally viral" today"
"If HR does nothing in this case, I will consider leaving this company for real for the first time in five years."
"He's not been fired as of this writing. The screed is *still* accessible by all employees."
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wolverinerob79 posted...
Examples of responses from other employees:
"a Google employee wrote a 10-page anti-women, anti-diversity manifesto that went "internally viral" today"
"If HR does nothing in this case, I will consider leaving this company for real for the first time in five years."
"He's not been fired as of this writing. The screed is *still* accessible by all employees."
So you took some random comments from people you don't even know if they identifiy as left wing to build a strawman that the whole left loses their mind? Wow, how unethical plus you are really stretching the idiom "to lose your mind"
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it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
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CherryTsundere posted...
Left Biases
Compassion for the weak
Disparities are due to injustices
Humans are inherently cooperative
Change is good (unstable)
Open
Idealist
Right Biases
Respect for the strong/authority
Disparities are natural and just
Humans are inherently competitive
Change is dangerous (stable)
Closed
Pragmatic
I read up on the neurological and biological difference between liberals and conservatives and I never saw these. What are the authors sources for this? Sounds more like a gigantic strawman to me.
Keep going, it gets worse: Women, on average, have more:
Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing).
These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics.
Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness.
This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. Note that these are just average differences and there’s overlap between men and women, but this is seen solely as a women’s issue. This leads to exclusory programs like Stretch and swaths of men without support.
Neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).This may contribute to the higher levels of anxiety women report on Googlegeist and to the lower number of women in high stress jobs.No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof. I wanna call out the "Neuroticism" line in particular, since that one's just insidious. This guy has valid points regarding the limits of discourse, but after some decent philosophizing he descends into nonsense as well as non- sourced assertions and justifications.
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LewsTheDragon posted...
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Tbf some of his claims have been proven however there are three problems: 1. He doesn't source any of his claims. 2. His conclusions of some of his valid claims aren't proven. 3. He also mixes some non-proven claims to his post.
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That's probably true, and makes it even more dishonest.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche
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LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
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The right is biased towards pragmatism? Joke manifesto.
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Bond_543 posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
It's pop psychology without source references. Just some guy with an unsupported opinion.
If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
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CherryTsundere posted...
Left Biases
Compassion for the weak
Disparities are due to injustices
Humans are inherently cooperative
Change is good (unstable)
Open
Idealist
Right Biases
Respect for the strong/authority
Disparities are natural and just
Humans are inherently competitive
Change is dangerous (stable)
Closed
Pragmatic
I read up on the neurological and biological difference between liberals and conservatives and I never saw these. What are the authors sources for this? Sounds more like a gigantic strawman to me.
That's not left vs right, that's liberal/progressive vs conservative...
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Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
It's pop psychology without source references. Just some guy with an unsupported opinion.
its pretty obvious men and women tend to act a certain way, if you take the time to notice them and how they interact with people. stop being intentionally dense. you dont need a source to tell you that, anymore than you need a source to tell you the sun exists. your just appealing to authority.
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Bond_543 posted...
Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
It's pop psychology without source references. Just some guy with an unsupported opinion.
its pretty obvious men and women tend to act a certain way, if you take the time to notice them and how they interact with people. stop being intentionally dense. you dont need a source to tell you that, anymore than you need a source to tell you the sun exists. your just appealing to authority.
No shit the genders are different. Who is challenging this? That's not what we're talking about. The fact that he thinks the left doesn't see this alone shows his analysis is flawed.
If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
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Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
It's pop psychology without source references. Just some guy with an unsupported opinion.
its pretty obvious men and women tend to act a certain way, if you take the time to notice them and how they interact with people. stop being intentionally dense. you dont need a source to tell you that, anymore than you need a source to tell you the sun exists. your just appealing to authority.
No shit the genders are different. Who is challenging this? That's not what we're talking about. The fact that he thinks the left doesn't see this alone shows his analysis is flawed.
if the genders are different than why does the "left" expect the same outcomes?
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Bond_543 posted...
Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
Orange Clockwork posted...
Bond_543 posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
No sources are offered for any of these claims, which, as far as claims go, are f***ing massive, and absolutely demand a high burden of proof.
its psychology. do you expect him to source a whole book? feel free to read up on it yourself if you need a source. you seem to post a lot of Chomsky videos. do you require a source for all the things he says? probably not, right?
It's pop psychology without source references. Just some guy with an unsupported opinion.
its pretty obvious men and women tend to act a certain way, if you take the time to notice them and how they interact with people. stop being intentionally dense. you dont need a source to tell you that, anymore than you need a source to tell you the sun exists. your just appealing to authority.
No shit the genders are different. Who is challenging this? That's not what we're talking about. The fact that he thinks the left doesn't see this alone shows his analysis is flawed.
if the genders are different than why does the "left" expect the same outcomes?
They don't expect the same outcomes now. That's precisely why they're trying to bring light to the issue.
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If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
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There is nothing wrong with stereotypes, most are based on real statistical realities. The problem is when you try and interpolate from the stereotype and cast other people you know nothing about into bins.
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CherryTsundere posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
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Tbf some of his claims have been proven however there are three problems:
1. He doesn't source any of his claims.
2. His conclusions of some of his valid claims aren't proven.
3. He also mixes some non-proven claims to his post.
I work for a corporation, we have documents that are in similar language as part of the executive staff. They don't cite sources because they are internalized documentation that's used as a basis for evaluating potential hires or inner work style dynamics. It's weird that the title of this article is "anti-diversity" is within the title of the article posted, when generally the purpose (for us at least) is an indepth look at our current work staffing to promote diversity in regards of seeking candidates or filling out groups within departments.
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Kuhnert posted...
CherryTsundere posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
text
Tbf some of his claims have been proven however there are three problems:
1. He doesn't source any of his claims.
2. His conclusions of some of his valid claims aren't proven.
3. He also mixes some non-proven claims to his post.
I work for a corporation, we have documents that are in similar language as part of the executive staff. They don't cite sources because they are internalized documentation that's used as a basis for evaluating potential hires or inner work style dynamics.
Ugh, that sounds awful since you could just write any bullshit you wanted, no?
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I'd hate to actually have to discuss these subjects on a professional level. People are more than willing to explode into hyperbole instead of having a rational discussion.
Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.
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CherryTsundere posted...
Kuhnert posted...
CherryTsundere posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
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Tbf some of his claims have been proven however there are three problems:
1. He doesn't source any of his claims.
2. His conclusions of some of his valid claims aren't proven.
3. He also mixes some non-proven claims to his post.
I work for a corporation, we have documents that are in similar language as part of the executive staff. They don't cite sources because they are internalized documentation that's used as a basis for evaluating potential hires or inner work style dynamics.
Ugh, that sounds awful since you could just write any bullshit you wanted, no?
Not exactly, it's based off workplace surveys, personal opinions from the employees, lifestyles of the employees, current staffing "culture", and employee evaluations. This whole document reeks of something as a part of a much larger document that a senior or very high up HR representative published out to senior staffers that got leaked intentionally with wording to stir up trouble.
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Orange Clockwork posted...
They don't expect the same outcomes now.
yes they do... they think differing outcomes is an example of systemic oppression thats needs to be remedied by state power.
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CherryTsundere posted...
Left Biases
Compassion for the weak
Disparities are due to injustices
Humans are inherently cooperative
Change is good (unstable)
Open
Idealist
Right Biases
Respect for the strong/authority
Disparities are natural and just
Humans are inherently competitive
Change is dangerous (stable)
Closed
Pragmatic
I read up on the neurological and biological difference between liberals and conservatives and I never saw these. What are the authors sources for this? Sounds more like a gigantic strawman to me.
IIRC most of those liberal/conservative neurological difference studies turned out to be poorly conducted/bullshit . Interestingly enough, the extremists on both sides point to the same studies as proof that the opposing ideology is a psychological disorder which can be treated through medications and therapy.
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Kuhnert posted...
CherryTsundere posted...
Kuhnert posted...
CherryTsundere posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
text
Tbf some of his claims have been proven however there are three problems:
1. He doesn't source any of his claims.
2. His conclusions of some of his valid claims aren't proven.
3. He also mixes some non-proven claims to his post.
I work for a corporation, we have documents that are in similar language as part of the executive staff. They don't cite sources because they are internalized documentation that's used as a basis for evaluating potential hires or inner work style dynamics.
Ugh, that sounds awful since you could just write any bullshit you wanted, no?
Not exactly, it's based off workplace surveys, personal opinions from the employees, lifestyles of the employees, current staffing "culture", and employee evaluations.
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I don't know how your company does things, but I know that in most company environments I've had any access to, such studies have all the methodology of a syphilitic monkey, skew things like a motherfucker and eventually just confirm what senior partners already believe. I've met a lot of senior executives who were seriously in "let them eat cake" territory when it came to their employees.
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Oh noes, I'm losing my mind
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Gizmodo Commentators have pretty much said the document was racist with the choice words the guy used. The guy is just living in his own little world.
It's not stupidity, it's something much worse. It's... the GameSpot comment section!-Stebsis
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Kaliesto posted...
The guy is just living in his own little world.
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Read the whole thing and I bet he's a big Jordan Peterson fan. Funny seeing the witch hunt over this since it proves his point.
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Anyone have a text dump so we don't have to give clicks to read the article?
The internet, where people come to be a dumbass.
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LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
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Jx1010 posted...
LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
people need to start learning to judge groups on their actions, not by what they say or claim to be.
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Bond_543 posted...
Jx1010 posted...
LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
people need to start learning to judge groups on their actions, not by what they say or claim to be.
Feminist say they want equality but their actions show the opposite
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Jx1010 posted...
Bond_543 posted...
Jx1010 posted...
LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
people need to start learning to judge groups on their actions, not by what they say or claim to be.
Feminist say they want equality but their actions show the opposite
exactly
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I've read that topic title eight times and I still don't know wtf it's talking about. TC. If you want people to read your shit spend ten seconds thinking about the topic title before hitting post. You can't edit that.
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I like how it got immediately shot down by the new 'VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance.' The left has made discussion on this so toxic that everyone is just forced to assume the left's assertions are correct, else they risk their livelihood.
Also, if you read the motherboard article they linked to, you can see how people cherry picked one sentence from the entire thing, summarized it as that, an then got offended. It's olympic level mental gymnastics.
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wolverinerob79 posted...
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320
Basically he or she (I don't know who it is) wrote a decent article that points out some clear, truthful points about gender and many of this person's co-workers are losing their...stuff over it. They must be well off because I assume they'll at least be slow-tracked for this if not losing their job. The left doesn't take kindly to the questioning of their ideas.
Examples of things that are demeaning to women that are written:
Women on average are more cooperative
Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things
How dare this person assume that women are more helpful and compassionate. FOR SHAME!
I know! That's the most misogynistic thing I have ever read!
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(Topic Creator)1 day ago#39
divot1338 posted...
I've read that topic title eight times and I still don't know wtf it's talking about.
Then I encourage you to read it again. There're multiple good points within, but one of the key points is that the methods companies are using today (especially in the tech industry) are hypocritical as they are built with the stated purpose of increasing diversity (since diversity of thought IS a good thing when trying to solve problems), but ironically their methods are in fact forcing people think a certain way. Instead of trying to figure out how to make an inclusive environment where you use people's skills in the best way, it's trying to force everyone to do the same thing and get paid the same way - equal outcome without equal effort or equal ability. dermoratraken posted...
I like how it got immediately shot down by the new 'VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance.' The left has made discussion on this so toxic that everyone is just forced to assume the left's assertions are correct, else they risk their livelihood.
Also a good key point. Whether it's the official company statement that has no quality statements like the "manifesto" and is purely generic drone drivel (compare the quality of statements in the original statement with the quality of the response) or the calls for firing the person by his/her fellow employees, the environment of killing good ideas because it doesn't fit the progressive cookbook should be alarming.
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LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
I argue this all the time with people. The right, they are very fascist in many ways. Freedom and free speech as long as it follows along with their ideology. Freedom as long as it conforms to their ideology. Mostly the Christianity ideology. The left, they are all for rights and freedoms as well. But then they want to walk on some private citizen's rights. Own your own shop and do not want to do work from someone. Well, if they are gay or something you are in for a fight. Now, say you do not like gays and that is hate speech. And they want you to not say it. Some hear have made complaints about pray in school. And that is up to the individual. You want to pay then do it. If not, don't. The whole issue is people on both sides wanting things to conform to their ideology. Whining and crying about their freedoms. All while trying to walk on someone else's freedoms.
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divot1338 posted...
I've read that topic title eight times and I still don't know wtf it's talking about.
TC. If you want people to read your shit spend ten seconds thinking about the topic title before hitting post.
You can't edit that.
Yep, Tc used a clickbait-y headline to rile up people and get fake outrage from the local right wingers.
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Jx1010 posted...
LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
It's interesting how many people here don't understand what fascism or free speech is
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animebop posted...
Jx1010 posted...
LuigisBro posted...
it continues to be hilarious how people who call Trump fascist are also the ones to condemn people over free speech
It's interesting how many people here don't understand what fascism or free speech is
Seriously, since when the hell is it a violation of free speech to 'condemn' something a person said? These right wingers have the most warped and idiotic views on everything. Oh sorry, I'm violating their first amendment by saying that...
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(Topic Creator)1 day ago#44
CherryTsundere posted...
Yep, Tc used a clickbait-y headline to rile up people and get fake outrage from the local right wingers.
You guys live in the same echo chamber this guy's talking about. I highly encourage you to analyze the possibility that what you think is truth may not be so.
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wolverinerob79 posted...
CherryTsundere posted...
Yep, Tc used a clickbait-y headline to rile up people and get fake outrage from the local right wingers.
You guys live in the same echo chamber this guy's talking about. I highly encourage you to analyze the possibility that what you think is truth may not be so.
I'm saying your topic title is incomprehensible. I didn't even know wtf you were going on about until I saw the CE version. Make your topic titles short, legible, and to the point.
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(Topic Creator)1 day ago#46
divot1338 posted...
Make your topic titles short, legible, and to the point.
Let's break it down Google senior employee writes dead on article and the left is losing their minds Google - see that's a company. Subsidiary of Alphabet, makers of the most used search engine senior - a title modifier that indicates more experience or responsibility than one lacking that title employee - someone who works for a company writes - an action of putting ideas to words - sometimes on paper but more commonly done in a digital medium dead on - a phrase denoting high accuracy article - a piece of writing - previously used in context of newspapers, but since those are dead, now usually refers to an electronic document...often a blog post or e-mail. and - a conjunction to hold two, usually related, thoughts together in a sentence the left - a phrase in this instance denoting the American left - most usually considered liberal or progressive and in most instances can be replaced with the phrase "crazy lunatics" is - Ask Bill Clinton losing - to become unable to have something. Agreed that in this instance, can you lose something that was never obtained? Philosophy their - a possessive denotation to signify ownership minds - something terrible to waste - the metaphysical idea of thought - particularly rational in nature Does that help?
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Orange Clockwork posted...
The right is biased towards pragmatism? Joke manifesto.
It absolutely does. Pragmatism is, at the most basic definition, "What gets me the most for the lest work/effort?" Pragmatism is about being effective, like a machine. Calmly calculated. The problem is there is a reason the expression "cold, unfeeling machine" came about. As for the general comments the man made on male vs female psychology, most of those things I have heard before from legitimate studies and journals, but he really should have sourced them. Basically, I agree with his claims because I already knew them to have a grain of truth to them from other studies, but his claims are not sufficient for anybody else to use his paper as a source.
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What a shock to see people justifying censorship ITT.
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wolverinerob79 posted...
divot1338 posted...
Make your topic titles short, legible, and to the point.
Let's break it down
Google senior employee writes dead on article and the left is losing their minds
Google - see that's a company. Subsidiary of Alphabet, makers of the most used search engine
senior - a title modifier that indicates more experience or responsibility than one lacking that title
employee - someone who works for a company
writes - an action of putting ideas to words - sometimes on paper but more commonly done in a digital medium
dead on - a phrase denoting high accuracy
article - a piece of writing - previously used in context of newspapers, but since those are dead, now usually refers to an electronic document...often a blog post or e-mail.
and - a conjunction to hold two, usually related, thoughts together in a sentence
the left - a phrase in this instance denoting the American left - most usually considered liberal or progressive and in most instances can be replaced with the phrase "crazy lunatics"
is - Ask Bill Clinton
losing - to become unable to have something. Agreed that in this instance, can you lose something that was never obtained? Philosophy
their - a possessive denotation to signify ownership
minds - something terrible to waste - the metaphysical idea of thought - particularly rational in nature
Does that help?
Word by word demonstration why the title was clickbait-y as fuck and doesn't align with reality, thank you Tc.
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(Topic Creator)8 hours ago#50
CherryTsundere posted...
Word by word demonstration why the title was clickbait-y as f*** and doesn't align with reality, thank you Tc.
The irony here is tangible.
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