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Algebra was my 2nd best class
If algebra is failed so often, that's the fault of the schoolAll for profit and profit for all.
Giants and Yankees!Funkx posted...SSj4Wingzero posted...
magemaximus posted...
an engineer major is basically a math major
A math *minor*, maybe. Not a math major.
Most engineers will have to take Calculus I-II, Linear Algebra, and Ordinary Differential Equations. Some will have to take Calculus III or maybe a course on Probability. That's probably enough for a math minor right there. A math major will require another five courses which many engineers *DON'T* have to take
Literally all that engineers do is solve problems using math.
No, we have to set up models and research/understand the scientific underpinnings of our problems.
The math itself is usually simple, and if it is not it gets put in computer modeling/simulation software. No one designs a bridge by hand anymore, or figures out final design stages in a distillation column by algorithm.
You have math to help understand what is happening - how variables are related.
Funkx posted...SSj4Wingzero posted...
Funkx posted...
Literally all that engineers do is solve problems using math.
That is true, but they generally use a few types of math over and over again as opposed to needing to know a lot of math. They use math *a lot*, but their knowledge of math doesn't require as much breadth.
A math major will have to at least dip into almost every branch of mathematics or statistics at some point, many of which have nothing to do with each other - Linear Algebra and Calculus, for example, have very little in common and aren't even related. Most schools only require their Engineering students to learn Calculus 1-3 and Differential Equations - they just use those things *a lot*. Comparatively, a math major needs to know Calculus 1-3 and Differential Equation just to get a quarter of the way into a math major
A math major is literally useless. You don't even need to be a math major to be a math teacher.
lol no
Anyone in STEM ought to have some understanding of geometry, statistics, numerical methods, linear algebra, and calculus.
All the tools in those fields were developed through the rigor of analysis.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)College Algebra is difficult for a lot of people, but it should still be a requirement. In my opinion, getting a college education is not just about learning your major, but also getting a more rounded education, so you can be a better more rounded person.
I do very well in math (and had to take a lot in college) but I know a lot of people really struggle with it. Perhaps the answer would be free or very low cost remedial classes.If you're not testing out of college algebra you're doing it wrong.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- KerbeyLol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.This is how academia dies.The only people that can say what matters to gaming are those that buy and play them.-Ollie Barder, Forbes ContributorSSj4Wingzero posted...PraetorXyn posted...
To be fair I double majored in Computer Science and Math, got a M.S. in Applied Computer Science, and there wasn't a ton of overlap. Doing certain things obviously will require math, like graphics rendering which I used to dream of doing for a living until I took a course on it, or drawing things even, algorithms, and specific tasks within general programming, never needed to use any Calculus (it's sort of necessary to understand relational Calculus for database theory but nobody remembers any of that once you get to the practical side of databases) and certainly no ODE. Linear algebra is necessary if your program requires matrix math but the only thing I've encountered that did was math related programs in the first place, I did a program to take two traces from a book on the subject as inputs and use them to render Mobius Transformations for my math capstone.
There isn't always a lot of overlap but schools usually require the class anyway. Despite the fact that Calculus isn't really *that* important in CS, I've never seen a school *not* require it. Probably because they consider it part of the basic competency they expect from students who wish to major in Computer Science.
At my university Computer Science students were considered Engineers (CS was in the School of Engineering) and they were required to take a lot of the same math courses as the Engineering students for whatever reason. The only exception would be if you took CS as a second major.
A lot of CS students end up majoring in math because a lot of schools will cross-list the courses. If you major in Computer Science odds are they'll make you take an advanced Probability and Statistics course, a Discrete Math course, and maybe a course on Linear Programming or Numerical Analysis. Then the Math dept. will probably cross-list a lot of the courses on Algorithms and give you credit for that. Add on the Calculus and Linear Algebra courses and you've basically got an Applied Math major
It definitely worked out in my favor scheduling wise. CS required Elementary Prob and Stats but since Math required Prob and Stats they let me substitute that because it's a higher level course anyway. I took a year of Physics for my sequence and the courses from each major sort of counted as electives for the other one. I finished in 3.5 years, probably didn't take anymore credits than most people do.Console war in a nutshell:
http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.pngHexagon posted...Lol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.
This is what Funkx does not understand - engineering is the application of science and math (i.e. knowledge) to real world problems.
Without a rigorous theoretical and conceptual underpinning in both fields to create established tools, engineering is guesswork.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Once again, why do we require foreign languages for higher education?"Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Henry McNeal Turner
[Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842PraetorXyn posted...SSj4Wingzero posted...
PraetorXyn posted...
To be fair I double majored in Computer Science and Math, got a M.S. in Applied Computer Science, and there wasn't a ton of overlap. Doing certain things obviously will require math, like graphics rendering which I used to dream of doing for a living until I took a course on it, or drawing things even, algorithms, and specific tasks within general programming, never needed to use any Calculus (it's sort of necessary to understand relational Calculus for database theory but nobody remembers any of that once you get to the practical side of databases) and certainly no ODE. Linear algebra is necessary if your program requires matrix math but the only thing I've encountered that did was math related programs in the first place, I did a program to take two traces from a book on the subject as inputs and use them to render Mobius Transformations for my math capstone.
There isn't always a lot of overlap but schools usually require the class anyway. Despite the fact that Calculus isn't really *that* important in CS, I've never seen a school *not* require it. Probably because they consider it part of the basic competency they expect from students who wish to major in Computer Science.
At my university Computer Science students were considered Engineers (CS was in the School of Engineering) and they were required to take a lot of the same math courses as the Engineering students for whatever reason. The only exception would be if you took CS as a second major.
A lot of CS students end up majoring in math because a lot of schools will cross-list the courses. If you major in Computer Science odds are they'll make you take an advanced Probability and Statistics course, a Discrete Math course, and maybe a course on Linear Programming or Numerical Analysis. Then the Math dept. will probably cross-list a lot of the courses on Algorithms and give you credit for that. Add on the Calculus and Linear Algebra courses and you've basically got an Applied Math major
It definitely worked out in my favor scheduling wise. CS required Elementary Prob and Stats but since Math required Prob and Stats they let me substitute that because it's a higher level course anyway. I took a year of Physics for my sequence and the courses from each major sort of counted as electives for the other one. I finished in 3.5 years, probably didn't take anymore credits than most people do.
I'm a ChemE/math major with a focus in stats and numerical methods. Incredibly useful stuff for an engineer, especially learning about modeling.
I was the only ChemE in my numerics courses - basically everyone was CS with a few pure math guys.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Hexagon posted...@PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smartRelax, they're only words on the internet.C0c0nuttz posted...Hexagon posted...
@PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
It's just a Euler's form derivative.
Granted, I have not do one in years because I never encounter (useful) imaginary numbers outside of simple DE system solutions.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)(edited 6 hours ago)C0c0nuttz posted...Hexagon posted...
PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
lmao
I was just trying to get PraetorXyn to bite, but looks he/she's not coming back. By all means if you want to show off, use Cauchy's theorem and the rectangle +-a, +-a+bi to prove that
integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2)*cos(2bx) dx =exp(-b^2)*integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2) dx = sqrt(pi) exp(-b^2)(edited 5 hours ago)Hexagon posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
Hexagon posted...
PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
lmao
I was just trying to get PraetorXyn to bite, but looks he/she's not coming back. By all means if you want to show off, use Cauchy's theorem and the rectangle +-a, +-a+bi to prove that
integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2)*cos(2bx) dx =exp(-b^2)*integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2) dx = sqrt(pi) exp(-b^2)
Why? That doesn't show you're smart or prove anything other than you spent a long time studying it. What a waste of time.He who understands baboon would do more towards metaphysics than Locke. - Charles DarwinSuperlnfinity45 posted...Hexagon posted...
C0c0nuttz posted...
Hexagon posted...
PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
lmao
I was just trying to get PraetorXyn to bite, but looks he/she's not coming back. By all means if you want to show off, use Cauchy's theorem and the rectangle +-a, +-a+bi to prove that
integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2)*cos(2bx) dx =exp(-b^2)*integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2) dx = sqrt(pi) exp(-b^2)
Why? That doesn't show you're smart or prove anything other than you spent a long time studying it. What a waste of time.
How is it a waste of time if I want to get the bottom of this exercise and figure out the solution? I swear, sometimes people like you and @C0c0nuttz are so simple minded. This is why we need languages and the arts to be mandatory courses as well as algebra.Hexagon posted...Superlnfinity45 posted...
Hexagon posted...
C0c0nuttz posted...
Hexagon posted...
PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
lmao
I was just trying to get PraetorXyn to bite, but looks he/she's not coming back. By all means if you want to show off, use Cauchy's theorem and the rectangle +-a, +-a+bi to prove that
integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2)*cos(2bx) dx =exp(-b^2)*integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2) dx = sqrt(pi) exp(-b^2)
Why? That doesn't show you're smart or prove anything other than you spent a long time studying it. What a waste of time.
How is it a waste of time if I want to get the bottom of this exercise and figure out the solution? I swear, sometimes people like you and @C0c0nuttz are so simple minded. This is why we need languages and the arts to be mandatory courses as well as algebra.
Easy application of the residue theorem.
U mad?Relax, they're only words on the internet.In This Topic: Math Fight!
"It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu KrishnamurtiSuperlnfinity45 posted...Why? That doesn't show you're smart or prove anything other than you spent a long time studying it. What a waste of time.
not to pick on you, but
you seem proud to be ignorant
and have contempt for someone else who actually put in the time and effort to study
what is your way to tell if another person is smart, knowing nothing else about him?
is being smart even important to you? your answer might scare meHexagon posted...Superlnfinity45 posted...
Hexagon posted...
C0c0nuttz posted...
Hexagon posted...
PraetorXyn
You're a math major? Let's test this. Tell me how to write exp(-z^2) as u(x,y)+v(x,y)i?
I'm not that guy but you literally write z=x+iy and do a 2 line plug and chug.
Point is you're not smart
lmao
I was just trying to get PraetorXyn to bite, but looks he/she's not coming back. By all means if you want to show off, use Cauchy's theorem and the rectangle +-a, +-a+bi to prove that
integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2)*cos(2bx) dx =exp(-b^2)*integral(-infinity,infinity) exp(-x^2) dx = sqrt(pi) exp(-b^2)
Why? That doesn't show you're smart or prove anything other than you spent a long time studying it. What a waste of time.
How is it a waste of time if I want to get the bottom of this exercise and figure out the solution? I swear, sometimes people like you and @C0c0nuttz are so simple minded. This is why we need languages and the arts to be mandatory courses as well as algebra.
It's not "simple-minded", it's that we're not interested in your exercise right now. You don't just throw up a puzzle and everyone is supposed to be interested in it. Right now it's a waste of time. fwiw I went through all of that stuff a long time ago, I've forgotten a lot of it. I used to like it and I got really good grades.He who understands baboon would do more towards metaphysics than Locke. - Charles Darwin"PoC" created many algebraic concepts and much of our scientific understanding, but this is barely even taught in the Texas made text books. Whenever we have Stand And Deliver instances to point to, and thus subsequent models of teaching to follow, there are always accusations from the authorities of cheating, because thats how it is supposed to be, in the minds of closet eugenicists, even though in truth it is more often these eugenicists who are the ones cheating systematically so as to try and maintain a narrative of superiority. They want to defund the likes of Headstart and then dare wag fingers at "PoC" results in education.
There is actually a fallacy in how they even look at stats, and ignore many factors surrounding education, such as disproportionate property taxes and investment, property scamming through the likes of corporate minded charter schools, minds of which tend to value gentrification, greater overemphasis of inefficient standardized testing, and obligated specific text books written solely to specific standardized tests, which some schools won't be able to afford(Which is intentional), as well as disproportionate concentration of "PoC" in greater poverty stricken state neglected areas.
Not surprising, seeing as authorities don't truly value test scores in so far as a representation of educating, they merely care about them so much as a disingenuous tool to use to take away education from "PoC" and poorer people. Also not surprising as many of them pine for the days when people were more afraid of them learning how to read and would much prefer to have an ample supply of slaves/serfs.(edited 2 hours ago)Oh great, now we're asking random math questions. This is officially an epeen contest.
What I observed from this topic:
-some people think that common sense math counts as Algebra.
-some people think that because knowledge of Algebra was required to build one compound interest app to be used by many, that should mean that Algebra should be taught for all.
-some people are perfectly fine with students failing Algebra and being denied a degree as a result, without offering any solutions to those who simply want a job.
-some people think that because the Greeks and Romans functioned perfectly fine without Algebra CENTURIES ago, people should be fine not knowing Algebra today.
-some people think that one grammar mistake is grounds for derailing an entire argument just to have a pissing contest.
-some people need attention so they ask math questions even though it's completely irrelevant to the topic.
And then these same people want to talk about math pedagogy, about how Geometry should be taught before Algebra. (hahaha, no) I think we should just let this topic die."Not Impossible. Inevitable."Judgbolt posted...-some people think that common sense math counts as Algebra.
Algebra counts as Algebra. Whether it is common sense is irrelevant to whether it is Algebra or not.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.infinitys_7th posted...No, we have to set up models and research/understand the scientific underpinnings of our problems.
I'm sorry, based on your posts I don't believe you're an engineer. You seem unemployable.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.infinitys_7th posted...Hexagon posted...
Lol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.
This is what Funkx does not understand - engineering is the application of science and math (i.e. knowledge) to real world problems.
Without a rigorous theoretical and conceptual underpinning in both fields to create established tools, engineering is guesswork.
The argument "because a computer will do it it's not math." If the way you describe it is engineering, then I am qualified to be an engineer because I have set up warehouses that way.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Actually this may explain why so many engineers can't find employment. They don't even understand what their job is supposed to be.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Funkx posted...infinitys_7th posted...
No, we have to set up models and research/understand the scientific underpinnings of our problems.
I'm sorry, based on your posts I don't believe you're an engineer. You seem unemployable.
Why exactly?[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...Funkx posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
No, we have to set up models and research/understand the scientific underpinnings of our problems.
I'm sorry, based on your posts I don't believe you're an engineer. You seem unemployable.
Why exactly?
The conspiracy theory lunacy, among other thingsTrump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Funkx posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Hexagon posted...
Lol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.
This is what Funkx does not understand - engineering is the application of science and math (i.e. knowledge) to real world problems.
Without a rigorous theoretical and conceptual underpinning in both fields to create established tools, engineering is guesswork.
The argument "because a computer will do it it's not math." If the way you describe it is engineering, then I am qualified to be an engineer because I have set up warehouses that way.
It's not "because a computer will do it". It's "because a computer DOES do it".
Minitab for stats, any number of programs for process modeling, visual programming languages.
Someone who uses Minitab knows what a Gage R&R is, what it does, and how to use it, but they probably can't write it down.
The same goes for a linear regression and minimizing the error vector - just toss in Excel and SLOPE and INTERCEPT and RSQ are all you need.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...Funkx posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
Hexagon posted...
Lol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.
This is what Funkx does not understand - engineering is the application of science and math (i.e. knowledge) to real world problems.
Without a rigorous theoretical and conceptual underpinning in both fields to create established tools, engineering is guesswork.
The argument "because a computer will do it it's not math." If the way you describe it is engineering, then I am qualified to be an engineer because I have set up warehouses that way.
It's not "because a computer will do it". It's "because a computer DOES do it".
Minitab for stats, any number of programs for process modeling, visual programming languages.
Someone who uses Minitab knows what a Gage R&R is, what it does, and how to use it, but they probably can't write it down.
The same goes for a linear regression and minimizing the error vector - just toss in Excel and SLOPE and INTERCEPT and RSQ are all you need.
And? You use calculators/computers in most upper division math classes. It's not because the computer magically makes it work. It's because it's not exactly fun to square a number 267 times. It doesn't make it "not math." You still need to understand it.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.(edited 42 minutes ago)Funkx posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Funkx posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
No, we have to set up models and research/understand the scientific underpinnings of our problems.
I'm sorry, based on your posts I don't believe you're an engineer. You seem unemployable.
Why exactly?
The conspiracy theory lunacy, among other things
What, you think I go to work with a Kekistan flag on my bumper? Or talk to people about Seth Rich?[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Funkx posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Funkx posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
Hexagon posted...
Lol at engineering being basically a math major. No. And lol at engineering literally only doing math. No. If I'm hired to design a plant I'm not going to be solving systems of differential equations unisim will do that for me. What software wont do is make sure the plant is a safe, cheap, and an efficient design. It will be my job to figure out what materials to use, where to place them, what process to use, look up information from literature, and make sure it doesn't bleed money and deadly gases. If I do need to solve anything I'll probably just write a VBA numerical method and solve it on Excel.
This is what Funkx does not understand - engineering is the application of science and math (i.e. knowledge) to real world problems.
Without a rigorous theoretical and conceptual underpinning in both fields to create established tools, engineering is guesswork.
The argument "because a computer will do it it's not math." If the way you describe it is engineering, then I am qualified to be an engineer because I have set up warehouses that way.
It's not "because a computer will do it". It's "because a computer DOES do it".
Minitab for stats, any number of programs for process modeling, visual programming languages.
Someone who uses Minitab knows what a Gage R&R is, what it does, and how to use it, but they probably can't write it down.
The same goes for a linear regression and minimizing the error vector - just toss in Excel and SLOPE and INTERCEPT and RSQ are all you need.
And? You use calculators/computers in most upper division math classes. It's not because the computer magically makes it work. It's because it's not exactly fun to square a number 267 times. It doesn't make it "not math." You still need to understand it.
Actually, few people understand the axiomatic underpinnings of arithmetic (taught in a true college algebra course).
It's why Common Core drives people bonkers. Shuffling 1s around and playing with the nuances of Base 10 is over most people's heads.
So I would argue most people do not understand squaring a number beyond a multiplication table.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)The truth is that you truly don't need anything past what you learn in elementary school (how often do you really multiply or divide daily?). The problem is that because you truly don't need anything past elementary school math unless you're doing something which requires it (ie, programming, engineering, economics, statistics, etc.), most people don't bother once they're out of elementary school, as a computer will do most everything else for you. Compare that to English (or whatever your first language is), which you use everyday, and you see where the notion of dropping algebra comes from.
It's just a function of the time we live in.
ETA: Take myself, for instance. I can do regression analyses and can solve differential equations, but would probably fail a geometry or trigonometry test if one were given today, simply because the latter two don't play any role in anything I've chosen to do. This isn't to say math isn't important, but I do agree that it should be more targeted to teaching the fundamentals so that, if you do choose to go further, you at least have the fundamentals down to understand the more advanced stuff.
While I do think algebra is important, the way it's taught now is just to have people memorize hope to solve an equation, rather than why the answer is whatever. It doesn't hold any value to the vast majority of people once they're out of school.
(This probably makes more sense in my head but whatever. I'm tired.)You tried to milk him, didn't you? You sick son of a *****!(edited 15 minutes ago)Brandalia posted...The truth is that you truly don't need anything past what you learn in elementary school (how often do you really multiply or divide daily?). The problem is that because you truly don't need anything past elementary school math unless you're doing something which requires it (ie, programming, engineering, economics, statistics, etc.), most people don't bother once they're out of elementary school, as a computer will do most everything else for you. Compare that to English (or whatever your first language is), which you use everyday, and you see where the notion of dropping algebra comes from.
It's just a function of the time we live in.
People don't exactly use all those grammar rules and odd exceptions and dangling psrticiples and all that from English either; they just talk and write, some better than others, but even many of the good ones don't remember the theory behind it. I despised English in K-12 because around 6th grade or so it just became rehashes of all the grammar rules I already knew. Literature I liked, and spelling is necessary to increase vocabulary, but after a certain point the grammar is all learned but there are 5+ more years left of it.Console war in a nutshell:
http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png(edited 20 minutes ago)
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