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This must have sounded a lot better in your head
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an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species
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@Turtlebread posted...
an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species so killing an embryo that will become a human is murder? if not then what does that it will later become a bald eagle have to do with anything? hmmm?
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...I don't get it Nah, I don't understand why you made this topic tbh I understand the meaning, but not the premise |
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darkphoenix181 posted...
@Turtlebread posted...an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species But it isn't murder because murder is a legal term And now I understand completely why you made this topic And it's not going to help your pro life arguments at all because it's a dumb comparison |
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Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...I don't get it you used the argument that what an embryo becomes is what is important to understand the badness of destroying it an embryo that will turn into a bald eagle is wrong to destroy because? because it is wrong to destroy a bald eagle from it being endangered apply that to an embryo that will become a human explain to me the wrongness of destroying a human, what is the term for that?
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...darkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...I don't get it Nah it's wrong to destroy a bald eagles egg because it's our national bird A term for wrongly destroying a human could also be called an accident tbh, among other things, only one of which are murder. And you're argument is still invalid even given that tiny little last tid bit, because abortion is neither legally nor technically murder. It's literally what it's name implies. It's aborting. |
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darkphoenix181 posted...
ZCheveyo posted...darkphoenix181 posted...see, a BALD EAGLE is endangered Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh That's pretty much why. If humans were on the brink of becoming extinct, you could bet that whatever ruling government would put in place some sort of incentives to have people birth children, and probably some sort of punishment for aborting them (unless necessary) But that's not currently what's happening. Which is why your argument immediately falls apart |
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Yes. not everyone would agree with you on this many thought Harambe should live and the little boy life not important
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Ah, you're just trolling
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@Samurontai posted...
Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh neither is the embryo of the bald eagle or w\e endangered species or are you arguing that an embryo is indeed the same thing as the animal after birth? I thought the argument was embryo aren't humans but you seem to think embryos are bald eagles hmmm
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I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. Please take that claim to court I'd pay to see the trial tbh |
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Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.
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Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. So do you disagree that robbing a store is actually considered robbery if a court says so? |
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darkphoenix181 posted...
not everyone would agree with you on this Since when is total agreement the metric for anything? many thought Harambe should live and the little boy life not important Those people were wrong, emotion, stupid, and naive. And the zoo, law, parents, govt. etc agreed with the decision to shoot because a human life takes precedent. Much like how the mother's autonomy takes precedent over the fetus. f***ing derp. And I doubt anyone at all would have a problem with wiping out a parasite off an actual human. So bringing up Harambe is a faulty analogy anyways. There are no animal rights groups fighting for us to re-release smallpox, polio, or diphtheria, or even pubic lice.
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Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. We'll see what happens in court once Kennedy retires and Ginsberg dies.
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Samurontai posted...
Ah, you're just trolling in what way am I trolling you? you can cast away all religion or support for this side or the other and actually see that this is a good argument go full logic on one hand, you have an embryo you determine this embryo is just cells, it is in no way equated with the life it WILL become on the other hand, you have an embryo you determine it should be equated with what it will turn into and make laws regarding that so why the disconnect? think it through logically hint it is illogical cite all the gray areas, biases, conveniences etc you want they don't remove that this is illogical
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. That's cool, I'm talking about now though |
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...Ah, you're just trolling Because even casting every personal opinion aside, it's a stupid comparison And I've already told you why plenty of times |
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Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. Lol arguing stealing which has been universally considered wrong for thousands of years vs surgically terminating an unwanted pregnancy which has only been legal for less than one hundred years.
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Samurontai posted...
Because even casting every personal opinion aside, it's a stupid comparison everything you said has been countered darkphoenix181 posted... @Samurontai posted...Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh
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darkphoenix181 posted...
on one hand, you have an embryo It's almost like there's no conflict of rights for animal embryos but there are for people's . . .
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. Blatantly false, abortion has been a thing since antiquity @darkphoenix181 That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal Learn to read, or troll better please |
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
What is it okay to own cattle but not own people tc? there is a movement against this saying it is wrong and you can't own them but others would answer it is because humans have souls and animals do not https://www.peta.org/living/food/top-10-reasons-eat-cows/ 2. Cows Have Complex Feelings
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@Samurontai posted...
you just said an embryo is a bird it's the national bird, and it's illegal what part of that do you not get? inside the egg is an embryo do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. Stay upset. Abortion, legally, isn't murder. And anyone who didn't immediately see that TC was posting low quality bait from the OP is lol. He couldn't make t anymore obvious he was just s***posting. |
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darkphoenix181 posted...
@Samurontai posted... Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically) What's your point? |
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. I know he's s*** posting, I'm just humoring him because I'm bored |
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This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.
In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate. Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of its nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder. Appeal to tradition. Please come up with a better excuse for you s*** opinion than a logical fallacy please. |
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Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...@Samurontai posted... so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?
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Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
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Also lol TC. Literally equating an animal to a human.
Different laws.darkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
@Samurontai posted...
That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal
Learn to read, or troll better please
you just said an embryo is a birdit's the national bird, and it's illegal
what part of that do you not get?
inside the egg is an embryo
do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?
Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)
What's your point?
so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird
so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?
No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.
Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human
You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)sktgamer_13dude posted...Also lol TC. Literally equating an animal to a human.
Different laws.
Dammit, I was gonna bring that up in the next post >__>darkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...
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@Samurontai posted...
That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal
Learn to read, or troll better please
you just said an embryo is a birdit's the national bird, and it's illegal
what part of that do you not get?
inside the egg is an embryo
do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?
Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)
What's your point?
so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird
so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?
Hahahahaha this guy thinks an egg is a birdSupport local music.
But not if it sucks.ToonLinkWithGun posted...Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
Again, you're wrong.
Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.buddhamonster posted...This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.
In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.
Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
nope
did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?
people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point
as suchNow if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still validsigless user is me or am I?the momma bird made the egg. their body their decisiondarkphoenix181 posted...buddhamonster posted...
This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.
In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.
Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
nope
did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?
people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point
as suchNow if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still valid
The bald eagle isn't endangered thoughdarkphoenix181 posted...buddhamonster posted...
This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.
In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.
Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
nope
did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?
people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point
as suchNow if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still valid
Holy s*** he has no idea how eggs work at all, this is amazingSupport local music.
But not if it sucks.Samurontai posted...No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.
Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human
You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)
then why you keep arguing that smashing the egg means I killed an endagered bald eagle?
Samurontai posted...I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal
It is like you know the answer but refuse to believe it
like it is there in the back of your mind
but you deny itsigless user is me or am I?We should lock up eagles that drop their eggs.
I mean, it's murder!!!!!! That was a bird!!!!!!!
roflshockthemonkey posted...Holy s*** he has no idea how eggs work at all, this is amazing
Wait darkphoenix doesn't know how something works? Color me surprised loldarkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...
No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.
Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human
You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)
then why you keep arguing that smashing the egg means I killed an endagered bald eagle?
Samurontai posted...I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal
It is like you know the answer but refuse to believe it
like it is there in the back of your mind
but you deny it
Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all
That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the postAnarchy_Juiblex posted...darkphoenix181 posted...
but others would answer it is because humans have souls and animals do not
LMFAO.
what is the issue?
those who believe man is an animal without a soul and not much different that other animals
how do they justify caging other animals and viciously killing them?
read the PETA article, maybe they have a point
they claim cows are very intelligent and have lots of feelings
so if you don't believe in a soul, why you eat meat and how can you do that to a fellow animal that is just as smart and conscious as you are?sigless user is me or am I?sktgamer_13dude posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
Again, you're wrong.
Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.
Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
Again, you're wrong.
Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.
Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it.
But the law says so so it's cool. Right
Would you call death sentencing murder?
What about euthanization?
Or pulling the plug in a hospital?ToonLinkWithGun posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
Again, you're wrong.
Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.
Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it.
But the law says so so it's cool. Right
"This is the legal definition that I'm following, and I don't care that abortion isn't legally defined like this because I'm mad" is a really funny argument.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
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http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpgdarkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...
Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all
That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post
would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?
why or why not?
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But not if it sucks.ToonLinkWithGun posted...Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?darkphoenix181 posted...Samurontai posted...
Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all
That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post
would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?
why or why not?
Nope, because why would I?
Just because the law views something a different way than I do doesn't mean I should just ignore it and pretend it's wrong
Otherwise I'd be jaywalking all daySamurontai posted...Just because the law views something a different way than I do doesn't mean I should just ignore it and pretend it's wrong
that is not what I am saying
it is because the law views embryo in two different ways
perhaps the treating the embyro of bald eagle as bald eagle is outdated and it should not be equated as the bird
but if it were simply outdated then this thread would never got any replies :P
consistency is importantsigless user is me or am I?shockthemonkey posted...darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all
That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post
would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?
why or why not?
Do you want bald eagle mothers arrested if they drop their eggs?
yes
put them on death rowsigless user is me or am I?Here, how about this? It's bad because the embryo itself is rare. It's not the same as the bald eagle but due to the bald eagle/whatever endangered species being rare, the embryo is also rare, which is why it's bad to destroy it... just like how destroying wine bottles is bad like someone mentioned earlier.
Also why destroying a lab's container of semen in sperm banks is bad even though you destroy semen every time you jack off.
Completely separate things</topic>Samurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?Wombo Combo!
http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpgToonLinkWithGun posted...Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?
Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response aloneSamurontai posted...ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?
Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone
I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' momentHe has good daygame
- MasterOfMissionsJohnLennon6 posted...Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?
Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone
I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' moment
He sure does! How dare I protect myself from someone trying to kill me...but fetus' are literally trying to kill mother's from the inside so it's completely okay to murder them in the womb!Wombo Combo!
http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpgUnholyMudcrab posted...This must have sounded a lot better in your head
One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother. Better lock that baby up for MURDER!!!!!!!
lol
Also what's your opinions on abortions in the times where the birth would kill the mother? What about abortions in times of rape? And if you say adoptions services, you better be willing to fork over your taxes for it.JohnLennon6 posted...JohnLennon6 posted...
Holy dodging the question Batman!
The answer is yes. Killing an egg of an endangerous species is illegal and bad. It should be against the Le. Abortion is nothing like killing an egg and should not be illegal.
Scenarios involving an animal (and an endangered animal at that) being compared to a literal human are stupid and low bait trolling attempts.
Abortion is not murder.
There I answered the question.darkphoenix181 posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...
One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother.
so if the child grows up, do we throw him in jail for murdering his mother?
Your side is the one that brought up that birth isn't a baby killing at mom.sktgamer_13dude posted...darkphoenix181 posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother.
so if the child grows up, do we throw him in jail for murdering his mother?
Your side is the one that brought up that birth isn't a baby killing at mom.
Nobody said that.He has good daygame
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Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?
What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?
Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?
Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone
I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' moment
He sure does! How dare I protect myself from someone trying to kill me...but fetus' are literally trying to kill mother's from the inside so it's completely okay to murder them in the womb!
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