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http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/06/nintendo-localizers-now-work-with-japanese-devs-to-censor-games-for-western-culture/33309/
In simple terms, it means that Treehouse localizers can start censoring content during development as opposed to after development. So even if you want to import the Japanese version, it may already be just as censored as the American or European version. 
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Here we go again. I'll just sit here and see how this'll go...
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So then it wouldnt be censorship no?
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so you are telling me a developer can add and remove things relevant to the region?
im sure someone will find something to b**** about
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I was disappointed that Chaos's topic on this today didn't take off.
Hopefully this one does. I love watching anticensors get humiliated.
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I guess we won't know for sure what is and isn't "censored" then.
There's a mystery to be uncovered here, that's for sure. And I get the feeling the truth is beyond my wildest imagination.
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good thing i waited
now im truly glad that i didn't buy that kiddy censored politically correct wii-U 2.0 box damn shame i can't play SMT censored waifu simulator for the switch.
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They've gone overboard with something like FE Fates, but I heard the source material isn't much better either, and in general the writing for Fates sucked ass.
I've also seem people complain about not being able to take a little girl's clothes off in Xenoblade X, on top of missing the boob slider. There's also that people complained about not seeing some teen girls in bikinis in #FE. Listen... people who speak in favor of s*** like this, you guys are not gonna win here lol. Kids do buy this game, and we're significantly less accepting of pervertedness in publicly sold things than in Japan. Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented. Oh, and I don't even feel like I need to say this, but pedophilia is pretty much the worst thing in the goddamn world Hilariously enough, we almost see more boobs and skimpy outfits than in those M rated home console affairs of other consoles, regardless of censorship.
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legendarylemur posted...
Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented.  |
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I saw this yesterday on the censored gaming channel that censorship is now being called "Culturalization".
What I find interesting about that is that what we saw with mario odyssey.. "Cultural appropriation" is very close to "Culturalization" of a game. They say that Mario is racist for culturally appropriating Mexican culture but those same people would suggest that "Culturalization" is good while localizing a game so it appeases said cultures sensibilities... It's just such a bizarre thing we're seeing... Also just to be clear "NINTENDO IS CENSORING" stop... look at the video, that is a guidebook used in all localization efforts for all games, not just nintendo. I know facts trigger a few of you out there but let's at least try to be factual before this thread devolves into a cesspool.
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Transdude posted...
legendarylemur posted...Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented. Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette. You can ask why freedom of speech is allowed but making dirty talks to little kids is something you go to jail for. In the end, these are laws ingrained within common sense and not protected by freedom of speech. You can't use this as an excuse to be a pervert or an a******. In this scenario, you can't use it as an excuse to see underaged girls in skimpy outfit.
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Nintendo doesn't need treehouse to censor for them.
They've been self-censoring since the 80's and you'd have to be willfully blind not to see it.
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Don't use fake buzz words ("Culturalization") when there are actual words (bowdlerize) that already exist.
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legendarylemur posted...Transdude posted...legendarylemur posted...Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented. Are you f***ing joking? I'm not gonna watch a 21 min for your weak ass arguments. No wonder you're in opposition of this. You can't even seem to type
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Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequence. You can say and do whatever you want, every living being has that right. What it not a right is the ability to say or do whatever you want free of any consequence. Yes, you can make murals out of fresh baby guts, but don't expect it to hang in an art gallery. You can threaten to rape and kill children, but you will be arrested for it. Same goes for "art".
Calling something "art" doesn't automaticly mean it's ethicly, politically, lawfully or culturally acceptiable. Trying to sell a game about slaughtering animals in a country where animals are considered sacred is NOT going to go over well. Marketing a game about terrorists destroying the twin towers with suicide plane isn't gonna go over well in the US. Different regions have different taboos, different unwritten and unspoken rules that its citizens follow. Some are based on written law, a lot is simply considered basic human decency.
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Censorship is everywhere. I actually laughed when I heard a show (on chiller of all stations) censor "goddamn".
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Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette. Etiquette is an entirely different issue. Etiquette is something like shouting obscenities at old ladies in the street. I can do it, but it goes against etiquette. Lawfully, I can shout "Go f*** yourself" to someone on the streets, but it's rude. Dirty talk to kids, threatening someone, shouting fire in a crowded theater.... These things DO break laws (all different laws, mind you) and aren't protected by the First Amendment. Either way, they have little to do with etiquette and more to do with breaking laws (lewd act with a minor, terroristic threats, etc.)
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legendarylemur posted...Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented. nah man i dont trust SUITS, they are destroying our freedom, they are lies only
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Look, the big craze that's taken over the Japanese video game and animation industries is lolis. Little girls.
The big craze right now is little girls. Why are you people saying they shouldn't censor little girls?! Why is a 13 year old in a bikini so important to XCX that altering it was a crime? They've gone overboard with something like FE Fate  Oh did they now? They didn't censor anything in this scene, the very scene that got the game a higher rating over Awakening in Japan.  According to what the game tells us, she can't possibly be older than 9. So just why the f*** is the very first thing we see in her CG scene a f***ing upskirt shot?! Oh, right. Because she exists just to be just as much a sexual object as her older sister Cowmilla. Just for a different demographic..... So just what DID they censor in Fates? Because these scenes certainly could be improved by being censored and toned down.....
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Look, the big craze that's taken over the Japanese video game and animation industries is lolis. Little girls. history repeats itself
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Here's an example: Many Asian countries "value" the hunting of whales differently than Western ones. It is the right of those countries to make media that portrays whaling in a non-negative light. It's also their right to change those messages in another market. However, people in a western market should have the option of the original content if they already support whaling, and building a giant document of "rules" to tell Asian Media they can never portray whaling as favorable even in their own country is an example of overreach. Whaling in this case could be many different things, not just stuff you'd immediately object to like youthful sexuality. Dictatorships love to ban stuff about free media or questioning unjust authority, what's to stop them from getting to add "rules" to the book? Basic human decency doesn't mean something offends someone when taking out of it's intended contents. |
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legendarylemur posted...
Transdude posted...legendarylemur posted...Transdude posted...legendarylemur posted...Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented. Your loss. I ended up watching the whole thing, despite not being part of your argument with him.
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although i gotta ask....what children are buying and playing fire emblem games?
it's equal to a child playing the board game "Risk" i doubt many kids have an interest in strategy games of war where you need to be precise with certain tactics
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Matelite posted...
legendarylemur posted...Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette. I'm not an expert but I'm almost certain this is not correct. Doing this could easily be considered breaching peace and fighting words.
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this might be better. they might tell treehouse to go f*** off in their faces
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YellowThunder posted...
Matelite posted...legendarylemur posted...Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette. Yeah it is punishable by the law. America has had restrictions on peace disrupting speech since the very beginning. There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. Fearmongering that any disruption of Freedom of Speech is a pointless argument that worth responding to. The founding fathers wrote the constitution assuming that common sense applies. It was never an all-encompassing freedom. It's almost like saying we're purely free market, when we incorporate communistic ideals very frequently
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so you are telling me a developer can add and remove things relevant to the region? They have to remove the swastikas fro. WWII games sold in Germany |
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although i gotta ask....what children are buying and playing fire emblem games? I started playing Fire Emblem when I was like 12.
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legendarylemur posted...
Yeah it is punishable by the law. America has had restrictions on peace disrupting speech since the very beginning. There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. Fearmongering that any disruption of Freedom of Speech is a pointless argument that worth responding to. Wrong http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/fighting-words/ At BEST it's a gray area, but there have been cases where similar acts have occurred and that speech is protected. At lower courts it's inconsistent.
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Matelite posted...
legendarylemur posted...Yeah it is punishable by the law. America has had restrictions on peace disrupting speech since the very beginning. There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. Fearmongering that any disruption of Freedom of Speech is a pointless argument that worth responding to. All that article points out is that the courts have a hard time determining what constitutes fighting words and that our courts are a convuluted mess. Most of the cases were tossed out because the scope of their fighting word laws were too broad not because they weren't necessarily fighting words. It also mostly deals with fighting words regarding the police and points out at the end that a normal citizen would be held to a lower standard than a trained officer as in more likely to be enticed into a fight and as such would be handled differently in court.
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Translations now = "censorship"
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Torgo posted...
Translations now = "censorship" I shouldn't even respond but you've been a quite a spree lately. You know that's not what this is about.
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YellowThunder posted...
Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" Yeah, it's about finding new reasons to complain about stuff that you probably don't actually dislike. Treehouse staff have been responsible for a good deal of the clever translations on several Nintendo franchises, so they are apparently being given more freedom and a more active role early on. But we got to pretend it's bad and feed that click-ity-click bait! OMG outrage over something that isn't censorship!!!
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Torgo posted...
YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" Treating censorship like a dirty word is silly but pretending it isn't censorship is dumb too. If Japan is cool with loli crap and whatever, I know that's an extreme example, then whatever do you Japan, it's just gross, but preemptively sending people to edit out thing is kind of overboard.
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legendarylemur posted...
They've gone overboard with something like FE Fates, but I heard the source material isn't much better either, and in general the writing for Fates sucked ass. Well then perhaps parents shouldn't let their kids play games like that. How about parents actually do some parenting rather than lowering the level of everything that is or enters into western culture to the lowest common denominator - a child. It's pathetic, honestly guys the rest of the planet that doesn't live in this PC bubble must laugh so hard at how we are willingly killing ourselves through political correctness. To all the people saying you dont care - grow a spine and confront the issue. It's people like you being apathetic to politics that has led to Europe being a s**t hole. |
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Torgo posted...YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" Seriously, go play a game from the 80s and enjoy the clunky, baffling translations... If that doesn't convince you, you can continue your SJW crusade against the perception of censorship, when localization is nothing new, and the Treehouse team have been particularly good at it.
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Torgo posted...
YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" Your impossible to have a conversation with. I'm going to go play ARMS.
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Torgo posted...
YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" The treehouse staff sound like the PC thought police to me. Think about it- every Nintendo game has to run through a small group of people who edit it to make it more 'appropriate' whatever that means. THATS ORWELLIAN AND CREEPY. But let's make excuses and pretend it's not happening right? |
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YellowThunder posted...
Torgo posted...YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...YellowThunder posted...Torgo posted...Translations now = "censorship" I don't share these alarmist/purist views. Translations and localization is not censorship. If the government or a state sponsored church stepped in and demanding Nintendo remove content, that's censorship. Having a team of talented translators and writers make the dialogue work for an English speaking audience is localization. Stop wanting to be alarmed and offended by everything, and actually take a deep breath and look at what your allegedly upset about.
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THATS ORWELLIAN AND CREEPY. No, that's called a team hired to do their job. You're probably joking right? Have you ever read a book? (certainly not 1984)...did you know it might have been edited by a person other than the writer (called an editor)....and it's a person that speaks the same language, so they don't even require someone to translate and fix structural and conceptual differences between cultures? Holy s***...the generation that was handed the knowledge and culture of the entire world at the tap of a finger on their phones really seem to need to feel left out and conspired against. Translation and localization = Orwellian dystopia!!! - Holy s***!
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Anime used to be edited with the excuse that it was "localization". Now companies have changed and the ones that didn't (like 4kids) went bankrupt. The situation could also change for games.
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Anime used to be edited with the excuse that it was "localization". Now companies have changed and the ones that didn't (like 4kids) went bankrupt. The situation could also change for games. only this time they're altering their work before it goes live. People are mad because it means that Developers can actually have a say in their own work and how it goes without having to bend over to buttmad otakus
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Have you ever read a book? (certainly not 1984)...did you know it might have been edited by a person other than the writer (called an editor)....and it's a person that speaks the same language, so they don't even require someone to translate and fix structural and conceptual differences between cultures? That's not what happened several times when Treehouse "localized" games. There were instances where entire sidequests and minigames were flat out removed. There were other times where they took out lines that were actually important to the story to replace them with memes and/or political statements. Don't even get me started on outfits changing. There's obviously an issue because thousands of gamers have expressed desire to play the games in their original forms without the hack job that Treehouse did. Many pirated games and play fan-translated versions. So I don't know about the idea of "cultural difference".... Especially when legit story text is replaced with stupid memes. While I don't think this is some massive case of censorship (although by definition it IS), it is an issue for those who want to play games as the original devs meant them to be played.
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Video game censorship has been around as early as the dawn of the industry. The only new thing with this announcement is that they're saying that devs could preemptively censor the game before releasing it. This "culturization" word has a pretty close relationship to the word "globalization". I personally don't mind experiencing different ends of the spectrum because I'm an open-minded gamer.
Star Ocean: The Second Story (PS1) comes to mind here...remember when they changed Gabriel's name into "Indalecio" during localization? Another thing they changed was his ultimate attack "Divine Comedy"...originally, it ended with an explosive attack involving a certain character on a crucifix, but for the localization, they replaced said crucifix with angel wings. I could see how parents (especially in the US) would probably be shocked by that attack thinking it was Jesus when it fact, it is not. I admire the multiculturalism like this in video games, infact, I think it's pretty cool. I do own the Japanese version of the above game, and I must say that I'm pretty happy that I have it and experienced it. I would prefer they continue to do what they been doing---do the censorship stuff after the time for localization comes (unless the game is being localized in parallel). Either way, content will get still censored or translated differently. For example, in the case of Final Fantasy XII: Original Japanese Version Character: Ashe Mist Knack: Hokuto Kossaizan (North Star Bone Crushing Slash) Character: Balflear Mist Knack: Riyakudatsu no Konpasu (Compass of Plunder) Western Localized Version Character: Ashe Quickening: Northswain's Glow Character: Balthier Quickening: Fires of War ....sometimes strange/interesting decisions are made during localization.
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Inferno00 posted...Anime used to be edited with the excuse that it was "localization". Now companies have changed and the ones that didn't (like 4kids) went bankrupt. The situation could also change for games. No this is a kin to 4Kids having the right to force the Japanese companies that dared put guns and a penis dragon in their Yu-Gi-Oh! work to censor the Japanese release of the anime and the manga before it can be published. This is what Square Enix did to Star Ocean on PS4 and what Japanese rebelled against giving it low sales. Its allowing the lowest common denominator the rights to stifle creativity. Sure it might lead to nothing as it means the creator of the material now sees the bulls*** these SJW style PC people are trying to interject into their product even though it might actively hurt the quality and reception. But on the flip side it could mean the reduction of quality because they screwed around with all version resulting in loss of sales and interest in products and chances for sequels lowered. I know TMS#FE was negatively impacted by what was done, and FE Fates would get way more crap if all version had pulled customization of the western version. I doubt people would take kindly to Sticker Staring every game, because it might be too interesting and colourful. It too early to tell what this means, it does mean the producers are hearing this crap directly. The only issue is they only hear from the censor mungers inside the company, and not the western reaction to this kind of stuff that doesn't translate well. |
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There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. ...seriously? Have you been living under a f***ing rock for the last 16 years? Or the last 5 at least?
All these organizations for human rights, and yet noone cares about the victims of copyright law. ;(
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ITT: a bunch of weebos fail to understand that a publisher can't "censor" its own content...The internet, where people come to be a dumbass.This is pretty much how a psychopath acts. They change their personality to suit the person they want on thier side. Nintendo does it, but in a wider spectrum.Alien Isolation is the best horror game on current gen!Ninty treats their fans as kids that can't handle adult content.Keeping it real.Simple. Don't create the content = it does not exist to be changed later.3ds fc: 5026 4515 5016
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Translations now = "censorship"
I shouldn't even respond but you've been a quite a spree lately. You know that's not what this is about.
Yeah, it's about finding new reasons to complain about stuff that you probably don't actually dislike.
Treehouse staff have been responsible for a good deal of the clever translations on several Nintendo franchises, so they are apparently being given more freedom and a more active role early on.
But we got to pretend it's bad and feed that click-ity-click bait!
OMG outrage over something that isn't censorship!!!
Oh ok I didn't realise that the treehouse staff were good at translating.. . I am now totally ok with a small group of people pushing their politics on me and deciding what is appropriate for a 30 year old grown man to see from foreign cultures.TinTin700 posted...Ninty treats their fans as kids that can't handle adult content.
Ninty's Treehouse knows what's best for us after all. We should be glad that Treehouse can work directly with the Japanese and get them to remove any filthy content that they deem might be unsuitable for our precious eyes before the game has even finished development! You're just a buttmad weebo otaku if you don't support this great decision by Nintendo
They know their fanbase will just defend it with a big smile on their face like some ITT."The silent voice within one's heart whispers the most profound wisdom"-Nyx.https://imgur.com/ZqZhxnU
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THATS ORWELLIAN AND CREEPY.
No, that's called a team hired to do their job.
You're probably joking right?
Have you ever read a book? (certainly not 1984)...did you know it might have been edited by a person other than the writer (called an editor)....and it's a person that speaks the same language, so they don't even require someone to translate and fix structural and conceptual differences between cultures?
Holy s***...the generation that was handed the knowledge and culture of the entire world at the tap of a finger on their phones really seem to need to feel left out and conspired against.
Translation and localization = Orwellian dystopia!!! - Holy s***!
If you want to believe that all they are going to be doing is translating then that's up to you. I don't, I've seen this s*** so many times before. They are probably there to make sure everything is in line with the 'narrative' of PC in the West.
Call me paranoid but I don't care. The reason why I feel like this is because my country(based from a lie) has been governed from a foreign capital for the past 40 years and political correctness is the only reason it lasted that long. Censorship/slander of any conservative opinion as 'far right' is destroying Europes will toexist.
Effectively we have a small group of unelected talking heads at the BBC that decide what is and isn't morally just, therefore I am very wary of censorship and political correctness. Dictating what I can see from another culture is political correctness and censorship, doesn't matter if it's the government or Nintendo treehouse staff doing it.
And yes a small group of enlightened people dictating what from one culture is appropriate for another culture to see is Orwellian. I realise there are differences between cultures that might need added explanation or adjusted translation but going through features of the game or artstyle is going to far.
Maybe I'm over reacting, I just really hate any form of censorship or political correctness.(edited 1 day ago)Does that mean that blade-girl from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will get some proper pants and boobs that don't look like two foam balls glued to her chest?Mizavari posted...Does that mean that blade-girl from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will get some proper pants and boobs that don't look like two foam balls glued to her chest?
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This.Gotrys posted...So? It needs to be done for Nintendo target audience - preschoolers.
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For example, in the case of Final Fantasy XII:
Original Japanese Version
Character: Ashe
Mist Knack: Hokuto Kossaizan (North Star Bone Crushing Slash)
Character: Balflear
Mist Knack: Riyakudatsu no Konpasu (Compass of Plunder)
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Character: Ashe
Quickening: Northswain's Glow
Character: Balthier
Quickening: Fires of War
....sometimes strange/interesting decisions are made during localization.
Quickening being such a stupid word for Limit break was one of the many things I hated about FF12. Those translated attack names don't mean anything, while the original suggested connection to Astrology (Zodiacs were important in FF12 and Ivalice in general) and Piracy (a big part of Balthier's character.)
As for the name Balthier itself, it wasn't changed... Japanese just lacked the means of writing the name in it's native pronouciation.http://thenamegarden.com/post/114806254636/balthier is a real name with significance the original Japanese wanted.Latino_King posted...legendarylemur posted...
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Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented.
Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette.
You can ask why freedom of speech is allowed but making dirty talks to little kids is something you go to jail for. In the end, these are laws ingrained within common sense and not protected by freedom of speech.
You can't use this as an excuse to be a pervert or an a******. In this scenario, you can't use it as an excuse to see underaged girls in skimpy outfit.
Are you f***ing joking? I'm not gonna watch a 21 min for your weak ass arguments. No wonder you're in opposition of this. You can't even seem to type
Your loss.
I ended up watching the whole thing, despite not being part of your argument with him.
That was incredible and enlightening. Thank you for sharing."Why worry about a good game, when you can sell a good idea?" - A Certain Mr. Finch(edited 1 day ago)YellowThunder posted...Matelite posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Yeah it is punishable by the law. America has had restrictions on peace disrupting speech since the very beginning. There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. Fearmongering that any disruption of Freedom of Speech is a pointless argument that worth responding to.
The founding fathers wrote the constitution assuming that common sense applies. It was never an all-encompassing freedom. It's almost like saying we're purely free market, when we incorporate communistic ideals very frequently
Wrong
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/fighting-words/
At BEST it's a gray area, but there have been cases where similar acts have occurred and that speech is protected. At lower courts it's inconsistent.
All that article points out is that the courts have a hard time determining what constitutes fighting words and that our courts are a convuluted mess. Most of the cases were tossed out because the scope of their fighting word laws were too broad not because they weren't necessarily fighting words. It also mostly deals with fighting words regarding the police and points out at the end that a normal citizen would be held to a lower standard than a trained officer as in more likely to be enticed into a fight and as such would be handled differently in court.
You just said what he did..."Why worry about a good game, when you can sell a good idea?" - A Certain Mr. FinchTinTin700 posted...Ninty treats their fans as kids that can't handle adult content.
Proving they know their main audience. Just look at this board, for f***'s sake... most of them can't even handle different opinions. Adult content is a LOOOONG way off."They were like 11 year olds on the internet for the first time in the late 90's; NO idea how to handle criticism or negative opinions" - Kevin Smith(edited 1 day ago)Mitsukiba posted...Latino_King posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Transdude posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Transdude posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Censorship is just logical, and certainly far from unprecedented.
Ah ha, classic confusing Freedom of Speech to Freedom of Etiquette. Guess what, even our free nation doesn't excuse blatant disregard of etiquette.
You can ask why freedom of speech is allowed but making dirty talks to little kids is something you go to jail for. In the end, these are laws ingrained within common sense and not protected by freedom of speech.
You can't use this as an excuse to be a pervert or an a******. In this scenario, you can't use it as an excuse to see underaged girls in skimpy outfit.
Are you f***ing joking? I'm not gonna watch a 21 min for your weak ass arguments. No wonder you're in opposition of this. You can't even seem to type
Your loss.
I ended up watching the whole thing, despite not being part of your argument with him.
That was incredible and enlightening. Thank you for sharing.
As long as you both recognize presenting a 21-minute video as a response is STILL unreasonable. Because it is. ;)"They were like 11 year olds on the internet for the first time in the late 90's; NO idea how to handle criticism or negative opinions" - Kevin Smith(edited 1 day ago)As if it isn't bad enough almost every anime goes through atrocious american distributors who "culturalize" the material before it even reaches the rest of the continent (before they had this monopoly we would have uncensored anime more often than not, directly from Japan), now they want to make sure even people who go as far as importing have to deal with theiridea of what's correct.
Only US's """culture""" is acceptable for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and even Europe apparently. Japanese culture = evil. US culture = Justice.
Culturalization my a******. US is the only country with significant gaming culture in the entire american continents to have a hiss-fit with the content they censor. Medieval-minded hypocritical scumbags.Trying a fresh start. If I offended you at any point know I'm sorry even though it can't be undone.(edited 1 day ago)@Rasputin77 That's fine, of course TL;DR sums up the attention span of most gamers nowadays. Kek."Why worry about a good game, when you can sell a good idea?" - A Certain Mr. FinchMitsukiba posted...YellowThunder posted...
Matelite posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Yeah it is punishable by the law. America has had restrictions on peace disrupting speech since the very beginning. There's no sign of us going total 1984 despite the fact. Fearmongering that any disruption of Freedom of Speech is a pointless argument that worth responding to.
The founding fathers wrote the constitution assuming that common sense applies. It was never an all-encompassing freedom. It's almost like saying we're purely free market, when we incorporate communistic ideals very frequently
Wrong
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/fighting-words/
At BEST it's a gray area, but there have been cases where similar acts have occurred and that speech is protected. At lower courts it's inconsistent.
All that article points out is that the courts have a hard time determining what constitutes fighting words and that our courts are a convuluted mess. Most of the cases were tossed out because the scope of their fighting word laws were too broad not because they weren't necessarily fighting words. It also mostly deals with fighting words regarding the police and points out at the end that a normal citizen would be held to a lower standard than a trained officer as in more likely to be enticed into a fight and as such would be handled differently in court.
You just said what he did...
Not exactly. I pointed out that most of the cases seemed to be tossed out on more of a failure of the law to be specific not that what the people said were not punishable for being fighting words. Also that courts are more likely to charge someone who is enticing civilians instead of law enforcement into fighting like in the situation that was brought up of yelling obscenities at old ladies in the street. Call it a grey area if you want but if you go out telling some old lady to do such and such with herself your going to get arrested and most likely charge with disturbing the piece and good luck getting any court to overturn that."220 million units? Then that means that half of the world would be Switch owners." - Latino_King
"I am the one, I am the Top Gun"Bahamut_10th posted...As if it isn't bad enough almost every anime goes through atrocious american distributors who "culturalize" the material before it even reaches the rest of the continent (before they had this monopoly we would have uncensored anime more often than not, directly from Japan), now they want to make sure even people who go as far as importing have to deal with their idea of what's correct.
Only US's """culture""" is acceptable for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and even Europe apparently. Japanese culture = evil. US culture = Justice.
Culturalization my a******. US is the only country with significant gaming culture in the entire american continents to have a hiss-fit with the content they censor. Medieval-minded hypocritical scumbags.
and yet the Otakus and Weebs get mad just because some 15 year old can't wear a ninja thong. But knowing the lot here, it must be acceptable since Glorious Japan must obey the Otakus3DS Friend Code: 0387-9017-6003 DC:5400-2358-7574 NID:TheChoujinVirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQScjlXbBE #torentialdownpour in a nutshellTaylor_SwiftNOT posted...Here we go again. I'll just sit here and see how this'll go...
Literally my thoughts lol.
Yeah, censorship sucks. People are way too sensitive. I hate that the episode of SpongeBob "Just One Bite" isn't available uncut on DVD for example.
But you know what? It is what it is. Think about it for a few minutes. Like, is it really worth getting your undies in a twist over, seething, and slamming your fingers on the keyboard in rage?
No.These pretzels are making me thirsty!What a time to be alive! Now, it is not only us english speaking nintendo fans who will know the purity of cultural appropriation, our japanese speaking brethren will be cleansed of all taint! All will be one! All will bow in humble gratitude of treehouse, our lord and savior who will protect our moralities with their cultural appropriation! Sieg-treehouse! Sieg-treehouse!"Corn-cob-man? There's a lot of sick people in this town."- Red GuyAkaneJones posted...force the Japanese companies that dared put guns and a penis dragon in their Yu-Gi-Oh! work to censor
Won't someone pleeeeeeease think of the poor penis dragons?!
It's just disgusting that we aren't opening ourselves up to the foreign penis dragons.
Am I doing this right"Grumble grumble..." (level 7)(edited 1 day ago)Hudsucker20XX posted...AkaneJones posted...
force the Japanese companies that dared put guns and a penis dragon in their Yu-Gi-Oh! work to censor
Won't someone pleeeeeeease think of the poor penis dragons?!
It's just disgusting that we aren't opening ourselves up to the foreign penis dragons.
Am I doing this right
At least we still have Mara in SMT.GT - phineasfool PSN - phineasfool
Switch FC - 4553-0472-6618phineasfool posted...At least we still have Mara in SMT.
though sadly you can't have God in that game anymore, you know..Christians and such3DS Friend Code: 0387-9017-6003 DC:5400-2358-7574 NID:TheChoujinVirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQScjlXbBE #torentialdownpour in a nutshellcador posted...What a time to be alive! Now, it is not only us english speaking nintendo fans who will know the purity of cultural appropriation, our japanese speaking brethren will be cleansed of all taint! All will be one! All will bow in humble gratitude of treehouse, our lord and savior who will protect our moralities with their cultural appropriation! Sieg-treehouse! Sieg-treehouse!
https://youtu.be/0j3_ZceNbuo?t=10m27s3DS Friend Code: 0387-9017-6003 DC:5400-2358-7574 NID:TheChoujinVirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQScjlXbBE #torentialdownpour in a nutshellRoyalDroneX posted...cador posted...
What a time to be alive! Now, it is not only us english speaking nintendo fans who will know the purity of cultural appropriation, our japanese speaking brethren will be cleansed of all taint! All will be one! All will bow in humble gratitude of treehouse, our lord and savior who will protect our moralities with their cultural appropriation! Sieg-treehouse! Sieg-treehouse!
https://youtu.be/0j3_ZceNbuo?t=10m27s
I'm not watching that because I don't know if its culturally appropriate. I need treehouse's loving grip to tell if its ok to watch that or not."Corn-cob-man? There's a lot of sick people in this town."- Red GuyRoyalDroneX posted...phineasfool posted...
At least we still have Mara in SMT.
though sadly you can't have God in that game anymore, you know..Christians and such
The most recent game literally has you kill the Judeo-Christian God...Yahweh is like Bowser in SMT lol. He's always gonna be there, even if you kill him a billion times"Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo
dinglebuttIf the game is censored right from the beginning, nobody will even know. Ironically, this solution actually will result in much less complaining about censorship, because with both versions being the same it won't be noticeable. I think this is a good thing.
Here's a good example: in Arms, Ribbon Girl has pretty respectable clothing. She has fairly long black shorts beneath her skirt as opposed to panties. So far, I haven't heard anybody complain about this, thankfully, because they shouldn't and Ribbon Girl is underage anyway. Now for all we know, the original version of the character had revealing panties similar to Peach in Melee. But since it was "censored" in both versions, nobody would ever know if that was the case, and so nobody cares.
If the original Japanese version had her wearing panties, while the American version didn't, there would be a huge uproar with people crying censorship, similar to what happened with Lyn in Xenoblade X. Both versions are the same however, and so it is fine.
That's what this means. "Censoring" at the source, from the public eye, will create the illusion that there is no "censorship" and thus will result in a lot less b****ing about it.
If the petting minigame in Fates never existed in either version, nobody would care about it being gone. If the revealing clothing in Fatal Frame V had never existed, nothing would have seemed unusual. That's what this change does. If not for this article bringing it into light, people would probably have been praising Nintendo in the next couple of years for not censoring things anymore."Much like the pill bug, I too must continue to move forward."
-Heropon Riki (paraphrased)(edited 1 day ago)The problem is viewing video games as some type of "auteur", individual expression when it's not. Even the idea of that eccentric, genius painter is relatively new. In the medieval times these were dedicated studios taking orders and producing pieces in such a way.
Books, movies, and video games are an industry. There is art involved, but it's not just one individual's creation. These are produced for sale in a public market, and there are people in producing and editorial positions who make judgment calls. This isn't even a bad thing, as the producers and publishers have a right to this considering it's their money at stake.SigWes62 posted...Books, movies, and video games are an industry. There is art involved, but it's not just one individual's creation. These are produced for sale in a public market, and there are people in producing and editorial positions who make judgment calls. This isn't even a bad thing, as the producers and publishers have a right to this considering it's their money at stake.
This. Not to mention, game devs still have the total and complete freedom to create what they want and distribute it in the west without changes, but if they want to do it on a publisher's dime they have to follow the publisher's rules."Theyre not only moron but also Galapagosian Lolita Complexed Chicken." -Tomonobu ItagakiNintendo changing their own work s isn't censorship. Period. They own the game/characters/IP. They can literally do whatever they want with it and it's laughable for anyone to suggest otherwise. If they think editing costumes USB better tailored to one region than another, they have every right in the world to change it.
Seriously, it's not complicated. If the government was forcing them to do this it'd be censorship. Nintendo is doing it of their own free will because they choose to and they're well within their right to do so. It's their creative control of their own product.
So many things already change in localization, it's just that people don't start crying about it unless it affects blood, butts, drugs, or swear words."De edu sud tovouk General Scales!" - General Scales, Star Fox Adventures
StarD86 is forever my hero!(edited 1 day ago)uberking422 posted...RoyalDroneX posted...
phineasfool posted...
At least we still have Mara in SMT.
though sadly you can't have God in that game anymore, you know..Christians and such
The most recent game literally has you kill the Judeo-Christian God...
but what odds it will be released in the US or UAE?3DS Friend Code: 0387-9017-6003 DC:5400-2358-7574 NID:TheChoujinVirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQScjlXbBE #torentialdownpour in a nutshellRoyalDroneX posted...uberking422 posted...
RoyalDroneX posted...
phineasfool posted...
At least we still have Mara in SMT.
though sadly you can't have God in that game anymore, you know..Christians and such
The most recent game literally has you kill the Judeo-Christian God...
but what odds it will be released in the US or UAE?
It's been out in the U.S. since last year.upload:okEndgame posted...So just why the f*** is the very first thing we see in her CG scene a f***ing upskirt shot?!
That wasn't much of an upskirt. It didn't even show more than what you usually see, just her legs.Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination.Transdude posted...
I would agree with most of this except that I would not consider a group boycotting a product as a form of censorship. Creators must choose a balance between what they want in their work and what they leave out so that more people might buy it. This is why I don't have a problem with NoA censoring American releases of Japanese games but do have a problem to with them sending 'translators' with the express purpose of curtailing certain Japanese themes and plot points out of every version. If it flys in Japan that's fine but if NoA thinks it won't sell well in its original state they have every right to not allow it to be release in America without changes. It's a business and NoA has no obligation to let games on their system if they think they won't sell or hurt their image because of a creators vision."220 million units? Then that means that half of the world would be Switch owners." - Latino_King
"I am the one, I am the Top Gun"(edited 1 day ago)YellowThunder posted...I would agree with most of this except that I would not consider a group boycotting a product as a form of censorship. Creators must choose a balance between what they want in their work and what they leave out so that more people might buy it. This is why I don't have a problem with NoA censoring American releases of Japanese games but do have a problem to with them sending 'translators' with the express purpose of curtailing certain Japanese themes and plot points out of every version. If it flys in Japan that's fine but if NoA thinks it won't sell well in its original state they have every right to not allow it to be release in America without changes. It's a business and NoA has no obligation to let games on their system if they think they won't sell or hurt their image because of a creators vision.
Yes, but by that accord we have every right to boycott the product resulting in Low Sales, because of the perceived wrong idea it would sell better without that content, on the whims of people who "object" to that kind of content who were never inside of the buyers scope in the first place. That is the kind of "censorship" placed on a product like TMS#FE, which was indeed counter productive since it was changing games away from the intended target audience to appease a group that would never buy the product let alone know it existed.
Of course one must remember the people putting presser on a company or individual to remove changes made to the product after its initial release while translating isn't censorship in anyway shape or form. It it merely telling the company or individual that their perceived notion of what the country wants is wrong, and that the lowest common denominator they are "censoring" for doesn't exist. It can't be conceivably considered censorship, even though it looks the same as the group using pressure to censor, because the contents in being put back to its original source, AI uncensoring the exact opposite.
(On a side note restoring censorship to product that was in the original release would actually be uncensoring the product, well unless it was government mandated not company/producer choice to make those censors. Mind you that something only the creator of said work would know, AI weather the censor was intended or done because of knowing they couldn't sell it like that.)
As for stepping in and trying to edit the source before it happens, it can be bad. For example Bikini DLC costumes do indeed sell and generate revenue in Japan. NoA telling NoJ they can't produce said Bikini DLC looses them sales and money, all because so NoA zealot can't stand sexy looking women. This is relevant because TMS#FE had that download content removed from the western version. Alternate DLC being produced for all versions would not generate the same revenue, and would be relatively equal to lack of the DLC entirely.AkaneJones posted...As for stepping in and trying to edit the source before it happens, it can be bad. For example Bikini DLC costumes do indeed sell and generate revenue in Japan. NoA telling NoJ they can't produce said Bikini DLC looses them sales and money, all because so NoA zealot can't stand sexualized minors. This is relevant because TMS#FE had that download content removed from the western version. Alternate DLC being produced for all versions would not generate the same revenue, and would be relatively equal to lack of the DLC entirely.
FTFY since that was the problem with TMS and alot of the "Censorship": People getting buttmad when someone covers up a minor3DS Friend Code: 0387-9017-6003 DC:5400-2358-7574 NID:TheChoujinVirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQScjlXbBE #torentialdownpour in a nutshellThat's why I buy 3rd party Nintendo can't do s*** to them n,nCo Official D'va of the Overwatch Board, Screw PC =^_0=
Your unfriendly neighborhood kyubi idol.(edited 1 day ago)Transdude posted...
JRPG chick's outfit could be skimpier, clearly this is an example of self-censorship, destroying its own argument!YellowThunder posted...Transdude posted...
I would agree with most of this except that I would not consider a group boycotting a product as a form of censorship. Creators must choose a balance between what they want in their work and what they leave out so that more people might buy it. This is why I don't have a problem with NoA censoring American releases of Japanese games but do have a problem to with them sending 'translators' with the express purpose of curtailing certain Japanese themes and plot points out of every version. If it flys in Japan that's fine but if NoA thinks it won't sell well in its original state they have every right to not allow it to be release in America without changes. It's a business and NoA has no obligation to let games on their system if they think they won't sell or hurt their image because of a creators vision.
Actually it seems that the first half of the comic agrees with your agenda, while the second half does not, and so you only accept the parts that agree with you already.
That's okay...it's a comic and it's not the final arbiter of truth, but it is factually correct and thoughtfully laid out.
What is being described in this topic is not censorship. It is the company deciding under it's own free will and in the best interests of it's shareholders and for it's individual regional markets how to handle things.
Many want to call it censorship so they have a perceived injustice to rail against in an age where you have access to everything with the tap of a glass screen on a device your carry in your pocket.
Some just jump on any negative Nintendo topic...
In the end, this is not censorship, it's a corporate decision you don't like....and nothing more.Gamefaqs: The original home of 'Alternative Facts'...AkaneJones posted...YellowThunder posted...
I would agree with most of this except that I would not consider a group boycotting a product as a form of censorship. Creators must choose a balance between what they want in their work and what they leave out so that more people might buy it. This is why I don't have a problem with NoA censoring American releases of Japanese games but do have a problem to with them sending 'translators' with the express purpose of curtailing certain Japanese themes and plot points out of every version. If it flys in Japan that's fine but if NoA thinks it won't sell well in its original state they have every right to not allow it to be release in America without changes. It's a business and NoA has no obligation to let games on their system if they think they won't sell or hurt their image because of a creators vision.
Yes, but by that accord we have every right to boycott the product resulting in Low Sales, because of the perceived wrong idea it would sell better without that content, on the whims of people who "object" to that kind of content who were never inside of the buyers scope in the first place. That is the kind of "censorship" placed on a product like TMS#FE, which was indeed counter productive since it was changing games away from the intended target audience to appease a group that would never buy the product let alone know it existed.
Of course one must remember the people putting presser on a company or individual to remove changes made to the product after its initial release while translating isn't censorship in anyway shape or form. It it merely telling the company or individual that their perceived notion of what the country wants is wrong, and that the lowest common denominator they are "censoring" for doesn't exist. It can't be conceivably considered censorship, even though it looks the same as the group using pressure to censor, because the contents in being put back to its original source, AI uncensoring the exact opposite.
(On a side note restoring censorship to product that was in the original release would actually be uncensoring the product, well unless it was government mandated not company/producer choice to make those censors. Mind you that something only the creator of said work would know, AI weather the censor was intended or done because of knowing they couldn't sell it like that.)
As for stepping in and trying to edit the source before it happens, it can be bad. For example Bikini DLC costumes do indeed sell and generate revenue in Japan. NoA telling NoJ they can't produce said Bikini DLC looses them sales and money, all because so NoA zealot can't stand sexy looking women. This is relevant because TMS#FE had that download content removed from the western version. Alternate DLC being produced for all versions would not generate the same revenue, and would be relatively equal to lack of the DLC entirely.
Perhaps a solution would be to have the Japanese versions include English then. With the Switch being region free now it would allow people to choose which version they wanted. Or NoA could get better at determining games target audience and have the American releases reflect that.
I've been wondering lately with all the censorship talk has there been any relatively recent largely censored games that didn't have to do with sexualized minors? Every time this topic comes up it seems everyone just talks about TMS#FE."220 million units? Then that means that half of the world would be Switch owners." - Latino_King
"I am the one, I am the Top Gun"(edited 1 day ago)I was thinking about opting to get a Switch sooner instead of upgrading my PC but it appears that Nintendo STILL hasn't learned their lesson. I'm gonna wait a while longer and see how this plays out.(edited 1 day ago)Torgo posted...YellowThunder posted...
Transdude posted...
I would agree with most of this except that I would not consider a group boycotting a product as a form of censorship. Creators must choose a balance between what they want in their work and what they leave out so that more people might buy it. This is why I don't have a problem with NoA censoring American releases of Japanese games but do have a problem to with them sending 'translators' with the express purpose of curtailing certain Japanese themes and plot points out of every version. If it flys in Japan that's fine but if NoA thinks it won't sell well in its original state they have every right to not allow it to be release in America without changes. It's a business and NoA has no obligation to let games on their system if they think they won't sell or hurt their image because of a creators vision.
Actually it seems that the first half of the comic agrees with your agenda, while the second half does not, and so you only accept the parts that agree with you already.
That's okay...it's a comic and it's not the final arbiter of truth, but it is factually correct and thoughtfully laid out.
What is being described in this topic is not censorship. It is the company deciding under it's own free will and in the best interests of it's shareholders and for it's individual regional markets how to handle things.
Many want to call it censorship so they have a perceived injustice to rail against in an age where you have access to everything with the tap of a glass screen on a device your carry in your pocket.
Some just jump on any negative Nintendo topic...
In the end, this is not censorship, it's a corporate decision you don't like....and nothing more.
What exactly is my agenda?"220 million units? Then that means that half of the world would be Switch owners." - Latino_King
"I am the one, I am the Top Gun"YellowThunder posted...Perhaps a solution would be to have the Japanese versions include English then. With the Switch being region free now it would allow people to choose which version they wanted. Or NoA could get better at determining games target audience and have the American releases reflect that.
I've been wondering lately with all the censorship talk has there been any relatively recent largely censored games that didn't have to do with sexualized minors? Every time this topic comes up it seems everyone just talks about TMS#FE.
The only other one I can recall from the last few years is Bravely Second changing one of the outfits from a vaguely Native American-esque costume to a more generically western one, and that's its own can of worms.- Boards
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