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http://www.wlwt.com/article/middletown-considers-3-strike-policy-on-responding-to-overdoses/10215284
Emergency services don't go to people based on how you feel about them. Emergency services go to people who need emergency medical help. Asking dispatchers to hang up while people OD is condemning them to die.
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Ah, an edited copy paste job by TC
Let's fill in the gaps, why not? “We are faced with stress on our services, particularly the EMS services where we can do six to eight opioid overdose runs a day,” said Paul Lolli, fire chief of Middletown. Hmm... Also last year, the department spent more than $11,000 on Narcan. This year, $30,000 has been spent on it. This is a result of more overdoses and the increasing strength of the drugs addicts are using, officials said. Huh, what factual information left out! BUT THE BEST PART IS HERE: "If the dispatcher determines that the person who's overdosed is someone who's been part of the program for two previous overdoses and has not completed the community service and has not cooperated in the program, then we wouldn't dispatch,” said Dan Picard, Middletown city council member. TC, please, f*** off trying to troll when I'm here. It doesn't work. |
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Basically a 3 strikes concept. Honestly, yeah, I'm all for people that after ODing on drugs once to go forth and do it again and again being subject to Darwinism.
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This topic is the most CE to ever CE.
Not wanting to help people who use drugs does nothing to help anyone.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Basically a 3 strikes concept. Honestly, yeah, I'm all for people that after ODing on drugs once to go forth and do it again and again being subject to Darwinism. So let's apply this to everything. 3 seizures and you're left in the street. 3 car accidents and you bleed out on the side of the road. 3 hiking accidents and you gotta fix your own broken ankle on the trail. Because emergency services should be more concerned with what you're doing than providing emergency medical help that you need!
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shockthemonkey posted...
Or, we can apply reality: Ah, an edited copy paste job by TC Let's fill in the gaps, why not? “We are faced with stress on our services, particularly the EMS services where we can do six to eight opioid overdose runs a day,” said Paul Lolli, fire chief of Middletown. Hmm... Also last year, the department spent more than $11,000 on Narcan. This year, $30,000 has been spent on it. This is a result of more overdoses and the increasing strength of the drugs addicts are using, officials said. Huh, what factual information left out! BUT THE BEST PART IS HERE: "If the dispatcher determines that the person who's overdosed is someone who's been part of the program for two previous overdoses and has not completed the community service and has not cooperated in the program, then we wouldn't dispatch,” said Dan Picard, Middletown city council member. TC, please, f*** off trying to troll when I'm here. It doesn't work. |
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TheFireRises posted...
Ah, an edited copy paste job by TC 1. And? It's obvious this is due to rising costs and stress on emergency services. Doesn't make it right (or legal) to leave people to die. 2. The tc did post the bolded part.
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But bait topic aside: as someone that is considered an alcoholic by doctors (based on the amount I drink when I do drink): f*** people who get addicted.
Either power through the part where you stop drinking or go f*** yourself. I stopped drinking for several months in order to get liver damage checked and I was fine afterwards. You don't get to say "I'm addicted". You get to say "I'm addicted and need help". |
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TheFireRises posted...
Looks like it worked really well, imo |
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I honestly don't have a great deal of sympathy for someone that ODs, but if they're asking for help, f***ing send help. It doesn't matter that they did it to themselves, if they're asking for help, send it! If they end up dying, oh well, but everything reasonable should be done to help someone that is asking for it.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Kids shouldn't be growing up without parents because a politician decided 911 didn't have to serve everyone. Man, if I get drunk, wind up in hospital with my stomach pumped because I'm drinking too much and have to make a return visit then no, I don't deserve their help. Hell, I've said this multiple f***ing times on CE: I would rather I be left to die on a cold street. People who start abusing wokers in government services don't get the help until they've sorted themselves out and get to talk in a reasonable and calm manner. drug addicts don't deserve help until they stop f***ing abusing drugs. How is this so f***ing hard to understand? "The first time nice doctor said if you keep drinking then we're going to have to do scans to see if your liver is failing. We need you to stop drinking for a few months to see how your liver is without alcohol. Otherwise you might end up needing more treatment" What did I do? I stopped f***ing drinking. I still believe if I had of continued drinking during that then I should have been turned away. |
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Nomadic View posted...
I honestly don't have a great deal of sympathy for someone that ODs, but if they're asking for help, f***ing send help. It doesn't matter that they did it to themselves, if they're asking for help, send it! If they end up dying, oh well, but everything reasonable should be done to help someone that is asking for it. Exactly. Drunk driver crashes his car, fat f*** has a heart attack, gang member gets shot - doesn't make a f***ing difference. Politicians should not be picking and choosing who is worth saving.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Itake back my apology - you're still the troll you always were |
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wow brutal just single handedly solved the problems of alcoholics and drug abusers everywhere
let's give him a pat on the back |
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Turtlebread posted...
wow brutal just single handedly solved the problems of alcoholics and drug abusers everywhere The ones that deserve help, yup. The one that don't? Eh. I mean, really, how hard is it to understand? you abuse government services, you get removed and cut off. I go down to collect my weekly money to spend on booze and I punch the guy? Yes, I don't deserve that money anymore. I go down and tell the doctor "hey, thanks but I'm going to be back here because f*** you", well, I don't deserve his help. |
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Vaati_Reborn posted...
shockthemonkey posted...Kids shouldn't be growing up without parents because a politician decided 911 didn't have to serve everyone. No one is defending junkie parents; this attempted policy is condemning them to die.
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shockthemonkey posted...
lulz at the troll trying to ignore reality I't's okay. I know you're scared of me. |
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AmonAmarth posted...
lets make all drugs legal Actually it's more like: let's waste money even though we can't afford it on people that refuse to go through treatment programmes. |
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Philoktetes posted...
why should we spend resources helping junkies Why help anyone? They're just going to die.
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If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too.
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Don't get me wrong, this is the same argument I'm using that's been used by certain people on here: if you've never been black then you don't get to talk about black issues.
How many of you are actually drug addicts? Raise your hands? *raises hand* alcoholism is drug addiction mods, don't do the thing you wanna do |
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I know someone whose mother is diabetic but refuses to take insulin and has reactions every single day. The ambulance is called every day, sometimes twice, to administer insulin. Should the ambulance stop coming to her house and saving her life?
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HogRiderreturns posted...
If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too. Should fire departments be allowed to do that? And regardless, people aren't replaceable property. Even fire departments like that aren't allowed to let people intentionally die.
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TheVipaGTS posted...HogRiderreturns posted...
If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too.
you think that should be allowed? "ugh, the 3rd fire at that house? f*** them let them all die"
No, I think 3rd time should be automatic 6 months in jail.HogRiderreturns posted...TheVipaGTS posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too.
you think that should be allowed? "ugh, the 3rd fire at that house? f*** them let them all die"
No, I think 3rd time should be automatic 6 months in jail.
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But not if it sucks.UnfairRepresent posted...This topic is the most CE to ever CE.
Not wanting to help people who use drugs does nothing to help anyone.HogRiderreturns posted...TheVipaGTS posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too.
you think that should be allowed? "ugh, the 3rd fire at that house? f*** them let them all die"
No, I think 3rd time should be automatic 6 months in jail.
you think someone should be jailed if they have 3 accidental fires at their house?iPhone_7 posted...Conservatives are evil.
I don't think that's true, and it's a pretty reductive generalization. Some people with conservative viewpoints are s***ty, just like every group has s***ty people. We are all so hellbent on only seeing the worst sides of each other, it's ridiculous.Now replaying: GrandiaKTG2 posted...iPhone_7 posted...
Conservatives are evil.
I don't think that's true, and it's a pretty reductive generalization. Some people with conservative viewpoints are s***ty, just like every group has s***ty people. We are all so hellbent on only seeing the worst sides of each other, it's ridiculous.
Yeah I've seen praise for this plan coming from all kinds of different people with all kinds of political views.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.TheVipaGTS posted...HogRiderreturns posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
If fire departments can just let houses burn than this should be allowed too.
you think that should be allowed? "ugh, the 3rd fire at that house? f*** them let them all die"
No, I think 3rd time should be automatic 6 months in jail.
you think someone should be jailed if they have 3 accidental fires at their house?
No, 3rd OD call.KTG2 posted...The "hurrdurr darwinism" responses have a way of reminding me that the average CE user is either a teenager or a mentally stunted adult
I just dont have any empathy for people who odSmash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz
RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered!Dustin1280 posted...KTG2 posted...
The "hurrdurr darwinism" responses have a way of reminding me that the average CE user is either a teenager or a mentally stunted adult
I just dont have any empathy for people who od
Not even enough to think that we shouldn't just let them die. Not even empathy for their kids growing up without parents.
Good for you, you're a real tough guy.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.i mean while i personally don't think this, I can understand people who don't feel like we should help those who consistently OD, or feel no empathy for someone who happens to die from an OD....I think they're s***ty people for thinking that but I can KIND of understand their point of view..
...now saying that EMERGENCY SERVICES should screen people and selective choose who they should help, if they can help....there is absolutely no way anyone can even try to justify that...Dustin1280 posted...You think growing up with an addict parent is actually bettet for the child?
I think having living parents who have the chance to get better and help their child is better than people being left to die because a politician said they don't deserve the same emergency care everyone else does.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.TheFireRises posted..."The first time nice doctor said if you keep drinking then we're going to have to do scans to see if your liver is failing. We need you to stop drinking for a few months to see how your liver is without alcohol. Otherwise you might end up needing more treatment"
What did I do?
I stopped f***ing drinking.
I still believe if I had of continued drinking during that then I should have been turned away.
I don't think you're very much of an alcoholic if you quit cold turkey and cant empathize with other peoples addiction. honestly it feels much, much more like you trying to garner some kind of support for yourself than an actual struggle with addiction. especially this:
TheFireRises posted...Man, if I get drunk, wind up in hospital with my stomach pumped because I'm drinking too much and have to make a return visit then no, I don't deserve their help. Hell, I've said this multiple f***ing times on CE: I would rather I be left to die on a cold street.
People who start abusing wokers in government services don't get the help until they've sorted themselves out and get to talk in a reasonable and calm manner.
drug addicts don't deserve help until they stop f***ing abusing drugs. How is this so f***ing hard to understand?
"The first time nice doctor said if you keep drinking then we're going to have to do scans to see if your liver is failing. We need you to stop drinking for a few months to see how your liver is without alcohol. Otherwise you might end up needing more treatment"
What did I do?
I stopped f***ing drinking.
I still believe if I had of continued drinking during that then I should have been turned away.
your addiction is legal, which provides you with opportunities for treatment -- even incarceration -- that other addicts don't have
I am myself an alcoholic and both of my parents are drug addicts and it's very obvious that you've never dealt wtih any real problems imhoHe would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.shockthemonkey posted...Dustin1280 posted...
You think growing up with an addict parent is actually bettet for the child?
I think having living parents who have the chance to get better and help their child is better than people being left to die because a politician said they don't deserve the same emergency care everyone else does.
If you were to quantify the number of addict parents who stay addicts versus the number of addict parents who recover for their children, which side do you think it skews towards?Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz
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Dustin1280 posted...
You think growing up with an addict parent is actually bettet for the child?
I think having living parents who have the chance to get better and help their child is better than people being left to die because a politician said they don't deserve the same emergency care everyone else does.
If you were to quantify the number of addict parents who stay addicts versus the number of addict parents who recover for their children, which side do you think it skews towards?
It doesn't matter at all. You're saying that people should be denied emergency medical treatment based on how you personally feel about them. What if only 10% recover and help their kids? Does that 10% of kids not deserve parents?Support local music.
But not if it sucks.shockthemonkey posted...It doesn't matter at all. You're saying that people should be denied emergency medical treatment based on how you personally feel about them. What if only 10% recover and help their kids? Does that 10% of kids not deserve parents?
In your example does the 90% not recover and screw their children? what is better for the children if you look at the big picture?
I don't know about you, but I would rather give 90% of the children a chance at a decent life (using your example) then the 10% who get lucky...
That said, I don't like the over arching reasoning behind this. But I understand why it was proposed.Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz
RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered!Dustin1280 posted...shockthemonkey posted...
It doesn't matter at all. You're saying that people should be denied emergency medical treatment based on how you personally feel about them. What if only 10% recover and help their kids? Does that 10% of kids not deserve parents?
In your example does the 90% not recover and screw their children? what is better for the children if you look at the big picture?
I don't know about you, but I would rather give 90% of the children a chance at a decent life (using your example) then the 10% who get lucky...
That said, I don't like the over arching reasoning behind this. But I understand why it was proposed.
Do you think people dying is the only way for their kids to go to foster care? What are you missing here?Support local music.
But not if it sucks.shockthemonkey posted...Dustin1280 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
It doesn't matter at all. You're saying that people should be denied emergency medical treatment based on how you personally feel about them. What if only 10% recover and help their kids? Does that 10% of kids not deserve parents?
In your example does the 90% not recover and screw their children? what is better for the children if you look at the big picture?
I don't know about you, but I would rather give 90% of the children a chance at a decent life (using your example) then the 10% who get lucky...
That said, I don't like the over arching reasoning behind this. But I understand why it was proposed.
Do you think people dying is the only way for their kids to go to foster care? What are you missing here?
Certainly not, but it's definitely the most efficient route. I'm not advocating to kill all addicts, but I certainly don't give a f*** if they die because they od, that is simply a consequence of the life they chose.Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz
RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered!Dustin1280 posted...but I certainly don't give a f*** if they die because they od.
as i said above, that's fine...i think its a s***ty mentality but do you....but why are you ok with emergency services selectively choosing who they help? You're ok with paramedics screening who they help? "wait, that house? We just went there 3 months ago for an OD....its another OD? f*** that turn back, we're not helping them"....how it happened should be irrelevant. Someone needs help. they call 911. paramedics should go help them. Period.I wouldn't say I am ok with it, I definitely have my concerns with such a policy. To much room for error or mistakes and innocent people dying because of it.
I just understand why they are considering it, there is a logical base behind it even if it's a dark one.Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz
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