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What has she done that is so abhorrent? The extent of my knowledge of this woman is that she made some youtube videos about how there were a lot of sexist tropes in a bunch of video games, and then a lot of gamers lost their s*** and started sending her death threats 24/7. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a lot of games, esp older ones, are kind of sexist because they were basically made by nerdy dudes for teenage boys (i.e. fighting games with huge boobies jiggling everywhere and revealing costumes, s*** like tomb raider, etc). like i didn't really think this was a point of contention, it's kind of a given. so why the hate?
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What's wrong with big jiggly boobies in revealing costumes?
also didn't she scam people out of thousands of dollars? She promised a bunch of videos and never delivered and spent that money on shoes and s***. |
Zombified_Toast posted...
But also, she attacked video games Yeah, didn't she do this sort of stuff with films beforehand but no one really cared? |
Because anyone with a brain can see she's a gigantic con artist (she literally spent kickstarter money on herself since it didn't go into those s*** videos) yet feminists keep feeding her money hand over fist so she won't go away.
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voldothegr8 posted...
Because anyone with a brain can see she's a gigantic con artist (she literally spent kickstarter money on herself since it didn't go into those s*** videos) yet feminists keep feeding her money hand over fist so she won't go away. so you are upset because feminists (and i assume you are not part of this group) gave her money to make videos, and the videos were not high enough quality for this audience (of which I once again assume you are not part of)?
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She is not wrong on everything she says. It's just the way she words her arguments. if she said it without attacking the target audience (the evil straight men) I can guarantee that people would react differently over exactly the same argument.
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Zombified_Toast posted...But also, she attacked video games I'd say video game culture is definitely more steeped in the internet than movie culture is.
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she is an insecure soul who triggers other insecure souls who take her brand of freedom of speech as a threat of some sort. becomes "justification" for them to be repugnant individuals.
example: death threats.
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the short answer is she used kickstarter to get over $140k worth of money to make videos of s***.
the s*** she did with movies she'd done for free. That's why no one cared. |
She's a trash-tier human being who continues to trick idiots out of their money. Which is fine, as that's how capitalism works. I just wish people would stop talking about her.
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MetalGearSquid posted...
I'd bang her tho bigtime
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She's wrong. Done and done.
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WizardofHoth posted...
Sargon of Akkon is worse than Anita Yea this guy is such a massive moron that he almost makes me like Anita more, even though I know very little about her other than what I mentioned in the OP.
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epik_fail1 posted...
She is not wrong on everything she says. It's just the way she words her arguments. if she said it without attacking the target audience (the evil straight men) I can guarantee that people would react differently over exactly the same argument. Although I disagree with the first sentence, I do agree with the rest of the post. Her arguments would be better received if she conducted her argument with more context and substance than simply firing off SJW buzzwords and personal attacks on "white males."
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Old NoiseTank posted...
just realized she went to the same college as i did. that's why I'm amused by her, lol. she trolls the trolls and makes them blame her for their outbursts, lol. they'll go out of their way to attack her even though she's so easily ignored, but they can't. I wouldn't have known about her if people weren't crying. like Lavar Ball. had no idea who he was until the tears started. literally the guy just talks too much, lolololol.
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I believe she means well, but she seems very misguided and as someone who doesnt truly understand the medium she criticises.
The hate she gets is disgusting though. It is fine to disagree with her (and you probably should anyway) but people take it way too far. But that is the internet for you sadly. |
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699
yup she totally means well
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She blames shooters and mass killings on men whilst showing not a bit of remorse. That alone is reason to justify the hate.
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mario2000 posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699 I mean, I dont believe she thinks she is being malicious. In her eyes, she is doing something good and feels she needs to be done. Of course, what she does is anything but. But she doesnt come across as actively malicious is all. |
Because she's extremely self-righteous and aggressive with her message, whilst simultaneously being offensively misinformed and trying to pass herself off as a fan of gaming when it clear as day she's just a scam artist trying to milk money from SJW tears.
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Romulox28 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...Because anyone with a brain can see she's a gigantic con artist (she literally spent kickstarter money on herself since it didn't go into those s*** videos) yet feminists keep feeding her money hand over fist so she won't go away. It's not the quality per say, it's the fact a literal teenager could make the same videos she did with zero dollars. Where did that $150 grand go? Straight into her pockets that's where.
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Funkydog posted...
mario2000 posted...https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699 It doesn't really matter what your intentions are if you're doing bad things and hurting people. You know what they say the road to hell is paved with.
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mario2000 posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699 to be fair this is kind of a hard thing to use as evidence because boogie has the emotional fortitude of a 6 year old. sounds like she said one mildly critical thing and he cried for a week
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epik_fail1 posted...She is not wrong on everything she says. It's just the way she words her arguments. if she said it without attacking the target audience (the evil straight men) I can guarantee that people would react differently over exactly the same argument. Yea, but she only raised $150k for "research". Plagiarizing tvtropes depleted all of her funds
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Romulox28 posted...
mario2000 posted...https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699 Well then isn't bullying someone who's emotionally sensitive as well even worse?
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Link HT posted...
Because she's extremely self-righteous and aggressive with her message, whilst simultaneously being offensively misinformed and trying to pass herself off as a fan of gaming when it clear as day she's just a scam artist trying to milk money from SJW tears. this. and she's afraid to debate the people she attacks.
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You want to know why Anita Sarkeesian gets so much hate? Well lets look at her track record:
-when she first started her kickstarter she lied about all the hateful messages she received to drum up more support for her kickstarter -lied about "loving" games -stole lets play footage for her videos -presented not only piss poor research but didn't even use the scientific method once -lied about the games she was talking in her videos on top of constantly presuming the intent of the developers (which is admittedly my biggest issue with her) -constantly b****es and whines about "straight male gamers" -blames "straight white males" for all the violence that happens against women -never responds to her critics except to only call them "harassers" -inserted herself into a controversy that had nothing to do with her -got into a pissing match with Zoe Quin and Brianna Wu on who was the bigger victim -tries to tell game developers how they should make their games -goes to the UN to advocate for internet censorship because she can't handle her critics -four years and a quarter of a million dollars later has never finished her tropes vs women series -almost forgot that she even made up tropes like "fighting f*** toy" -lied about all her critics being "straight white males" -"everything sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out" -whines about misogyny where there is none (otherwise known as making mountains out of mole hills) -harasses others then claims she was harassed -shuts down anything she can't control -constantly went against both police and FBI recommendations that she stay away from social media while they conducted their investigation and this is off the top of my head. Now I'll just quietly wait here for someone to insult me like calling me an incel (whatever the f*** that is)
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She's Jack Thompson with t***, and has managed to build a following of loyalists that throw money at her for her efforts to do the same things Jack tried to do. That frustrates people.
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Banana_Cyanide posted...
-got into a pissing match with Zoe Quin and Brianna Wu on who was the bigger victim Source for this please. I need. |
ChromaticAngel posted...
Source for this please. I need. I'm terrible at looking up tweets plus I'm pretty sure I'm blocked by all three of them but it was when the gamergate episode of Law and Order SVU aired and the three of them got into an argument on who the victim of the episode was supposed to represent.
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Banana_Cyanide posted...
I'm terrible at looking up tweets plus I'm pretty sure I'm blocked by all three of them but it was when the gamergate episode of Law and Order SVU aired and the three of them got into an argument on who the victim of the episode was supposed to represent. lmao
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They targeted gamers.
Gamers. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second. Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded. Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a s***ty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex. Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
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mario2000 posted...
Funkydog posted...mario2000 posted...https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75505699 Oh, I do agree. What she does is wrong and she could go about it in a far better way but adopts to use seemingly use tactics she speaks up against. It is kinda sad really. |
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epik_fail1 posted...She is not wrong on everything she says. It's just the way she words her arguments. if she said it without attacking the target audience (the evil straight men) I can guarantee that people would react differently over exactly the same argument. I occasionally agreed with her on a few point, but she tends to demonize gamers usually on her next line. So I was still annoyed. her target audience is not ears she is able to reach.
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It started largely due to her fanbase that basically said "we want to have a discussion, but only with people that agree with everything 100%." I got yelled at for suggesting games with female characters that broke out of the tropes she brought up. Guess it was my fault for thinking people actually wanted them. The more the wall went up to protect the damsel from criticism, the less I respected her, continuing today as even having someone in the audience of a panel she was at that **might** make a response video, equates to harassment.
Ultimately it's produced a person that can be summed up as whining that the "people aren't doing what I want and are mean to me by saying how I'm wrong." That's her career. That's what people really care about. Not her analysis. Not her commentary. Her ability to be a harassment sponge so they have some subculture they can attack and feel good about themselves for doing so.
So that's why I hate her:: she produces nothing but enables hipster douches to act like superior jerks to others because the can claim to be "woke" people that don't like the big tittied fighter.ElatedVenusaur posted...Because a lot of people don't like what she has to say. I don't always agree with her, but much of what she's pointed out is true, and rather than be angry over the baked-in inequities in our society and culture, some shoot the messenger for bringing them bad news.
What has she actually said that was true that isn't presumption of intent or can be summed up as "I don't like thing stop doing thing" (read: no fun allowed)?Who knew bananas could be so lethal?
Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man.epik_fail1 posted...She is not wrong on everything she says.
Are you sure about that?The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sMElatedVenusaur posted...Because a lot of people don't like what she has to say. I don't always agree with her, but much of what she's pointed out is true, and rather than be angry over the baked-in inequities in our society and culture, some shoot the messenger for bringing them bad news.
lmfaoI've paid very little attention to her so I don't know how misinformed she is about other games. That said I remember that she attacked Zelda: Breath if the Wild because she thought it portrayed Zelda as an damsel in distress that doesn't do anything about it. Anyone that has played through the game would know while she had her moments where she lacked confidence, she probably had her best showing out of any Zelda games. (big spoilers incoming) She saves Link from certain death, single handedly held off Ganon for 100 years, and was the one that ultimately beat Ganon at the end.
If she's as misinformed about other games as she was with BotW, I can see why she's so hated.Srk700 posted...If she's as misinformed about other games as she was with BotW, I can see why she's so hated.
That is exactly the case and if she's not misinformed she outright lies about the games she talks about and part of that is as I said before about how she has a habit of presuming to know what the developers had in mind when they made these games.Who knew bananas could be so lethal?
Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man.Everything that banana already said in his post
And also, because she's a stupid, fake, obnoxious, victim card playing c***. She always locks her youtube comments because, like all idiots whose arguments hold no water, she can not and will not debate anyone, ever, and just labels them harassers, because she knows she's a hack fraud and absolutely full of s***. Her boyfriend is her puppet master and writes all her material.
If she and her fellow hobgoblin zoe quinn were even remotely right about people making death threats etc, they would both be dead already and the world would be a much better place for it."Dragon Age 2 was a train wreck the entire game, ME3 was like screaming rollercoaster that ran out of track and everyone died." -nIMr0D888Gamers generally don't like it when a non-gamer struts in and pretends to be an expert on video games so she can tell everyone how sexist and harmful games are and how sexist straight, white, male gamers are.
I think she'd get less flack from gamers if games journalists looked at her content and assertions with a critical eye instead of bending over backward to support her and accept her position at her word. They were ready to s*** all over Jack Thompson, who was also wrong about his claims regarding video games causing societal ills, but the moment a pretty young white woman shows up flying the flag of progressive feminism, they bend the knee.
It's not like gamers, or Gamergate even, are entirely opposed to feminists looking at games. Liana Kerzner, another feminist voice in gaming, doesn't get the attention that Anita does (positive from journalists or negative from gamers). While she doesn't get the same support from the gaming press, she is much more well received by gamers who consume her content because she talks about games as a gamer. She probably gets some sympathy points because she's been harassed herself by Anita supporters and may have been blacklisted in the games press for being critical of some of Anita's work and by Zoe Quinn who, in CON chatlog leaks, said she would "talk to editors" about how awful she thinks Kerzner is ("literally the devil").She's really not some horrible evil monster, and obviously the death threats were completely out of line*. She's just not a very interesting or engaging critic, and at least in the past she would get basic facts about games wrong, fueling the theory that she doesn't actually play the games she criticizes. I think she's been caught stealing footage from let's plays so that further fuels the fire.
The good points she does make, again, are simply not all that interesting or even new things.
She has made a couple of tweets over the years that were very questionable, to say the least. Those are probably the worst things she's done from a moral standpoint, unless you believe that she's an actual scam artist.
Also, her videos definitely don't reflect the 140k budget she got from the kickstarter. Hell they don't even reflect the initial 5k or so she was originally asking for.
* - as a separate disucssion, I think we need to differentiate actual death threats from s*** like "lol kill yourself", which is not very nice to say but shouldn't be taken seriously as a threat on someone's life. The two often get lumped together. I don't deny that she received quite a bit of the legit kind, though, and that's terrible.You're only as sick as your secrets, but the truth shall set you free.
The truth is the truth, so all you can do is live with it.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWrugXVYAAhLIM.jpgWho knew bananas could be so lethal?
Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man.literal_garbage posted...They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.
We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a s***ty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
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Do you really think you can beat me?Romulox28 posted...WizardofHoth posted...
Sargon of Akkon is worse than Anita
Yea this guy is such a massive moron that he almost makes me like Anita more, even though I know very little about her other than what I mentioned in the OP.
yeah but Sargon is a cynical dude who fights back against the sjw hordes or w/e grandiose narrative they've concocted so he is very rarely going to get criticised by the same people criticising her.
honestly I have seen very little of anita sarkeesian and the vast majority of it arises in the form of complaining quite vociferously about her on here or, when i went there years ago, places like /v/.
I think there is nothing wrong with pointing out sexism inherent in the video game industry and i think she has, from what i can see, pointed out some accurate and possibly even insightful trends/tropes in games that tend to reinforce negative images of women in video games.
considering people who play video games tend to view themselves as troubled cynical intellectual types, it's strange/disappointing that so many react to even the mildest criticism of video games with such vitriol. the same people who probably guffaw at chad thunderc*** watching transformers movie #2421 because it has a good looking woman in it are utterly incensed at the idea of people objecting to gratuitous sexualisation and upskirts or w/e in games. it's weird, man.
that being said, i do not think she is a particularly good analyst, from what i've seen, despite raising some decent, broader points. i also don't think she comes across particularly well in many cases but again many people who say this about her love weirdos like sargon so it's w/e.http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png
Do you really think you can beat me?NinjaBreakfast posted...I think there is nothing wrong with pointing out sexism inherent in the video game industry and i think she has, from what i can see, pointed out some accurate and possibly even insightful trends/tropes in games that tend to reinforce negative images of women in video games.
Tell me what has she said that was accurate?Who knew bananas could be so lethal?
Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man.because gamers are 99% neckbeard basement dwellers that hate anything to do with women.
Anita is a genius and what gaming needs. gaming needs all gamers to f*** off and never speak again more, howeverShe s***talks about men regularly.
She cites spotty and often times debunked sources to prove her point
If anyone criticizes her, she calls it harassment
She cons people into paying her money to do something, doesn't do it, and keeps the money; citing it would have required more money to do what the money was intended for.
Takes other people's work and cites it as her own.
etc...Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley
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