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I don't see it either. This topic tends to piss a lot of people off on this board. You've probably offended dozens just by asking so keep your cool when they start attacking you.
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llennroc posted...
I don't see it either. This topic tends to piss a lot of people off on this board. You've probably offended dozens just by asking so keep your cool when they start attacking you. truffleshuffles posted... Edit: you will probably not get a valid answer,just people pissed off and trying to insult you. Lol, how true this turned out.
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Shinsuke Tatsumi is pretty cool.
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Babidi123 posted...
LloydtheIrving posted...Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof. The answer is you. You're the problem |
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Babidi123 posted...
LloydtheIrving posted...Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof. Probably because like all call-ups, they're feuding him with Ziggler
Incom65 posted...
We've had a main event heel who thinks he's a face for years now. His name is John Cena. |
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I expect a topic like this to never be posted again after his match with Ziggler.
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As someone who has followed him since New Japan, and his whole run in NXT, I am really let down with how they have presented him so far.
he should have come out, and had a match. day one. fighting. Strong Style. that is his wheelhouse. But instead they focus on his weakest aspect, his speaking and put him in a low mid card feud with Ziggles?? I shook my head last night, because I KNOW Shinsuke is much more than Smackdown has shown us. |
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TC = Fail.
Do you watch NXT? If not, watch some old episodes if you have the Network, he's amazing, speaks very good English for a Japanese wrestler, and given that Japanese people are known for being small, he is of above average height.
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Character-wise, I don't see the appeal either in all honesty. I watch for entertainment and I can't see him going far based on storyline appeal. Sure he can put on a good match, but that's not the most important aspect in mainstream wrestling. While it's a nice bonus, it's not what draws the masses.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
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I like his size and charisma, but I'm not a huge fan of his style of wrestling.
I'm not gonna say he's awful or anything, I just am not partial to the strike heavy strong style. I will say though, I have seen a few matches of his and he is more than capable of putting on a good match.
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RichAllen2017 posted...
TC = Fail. He stated IN THE VERY FIRST POST that he doesn't watch NXT
HH1 nobody on this board takes you seriously. nobody. do you understand me?-shycheesecake
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I don't follow NXT, either, so I'm waiting for him to have a match.
Also, you folks can say what I just did without being condescending about it. The hostility here is frightening.
If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it. |
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The_Dragon_Died posted...
I don't follow NXT, either, so I'm waiting for him to have a match. The stupidity is even more frightening.
HH1 nobody on this board takes you seriously. nobody. do you understand me?-shycheesecake
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The_Dragon_Died posted...
I don't follow NXT, either, so I'm waiting for him to have a match. It really is. You'd think the TC had insulted one of their relatives lol.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
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TERRA_RYZlN posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...TC = Fail. I only watch the NXT PPVs.....does that mean I don't really "watch" NXT? >_>
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He is a very good character. In a day and age where people's "character" is "I'm generic tough guy #8161541141915 and I'm going to win at (insert PPV here)", Shinsuke Nakamura is some looney Michael Jackson mental ward patient...yet he's still very serious. He's goofy, but not to the point that it overtakes his fighting ability. He'll do a bunch of bizarre poses that get a pop, but they are never too over the top. You can believe that this man really is this kooky. That's why WWE went after him and not equally talented Japanese wrestlers like Goto or Naito.
As for wrestling, Shinsuke is pretty much like an AJ Styles type of wrestler. He can wrestle a chain grapple match, he can wrestle a brawl, he can wrestle a big spot match. Anything you want, he can do. He'll work an injury angle for 30 minutes, always going back to the same limb, or he can work a match where they do 2 moves all night but those two moves felt so devastating that you can not move for 5 minutes and the crowd wont stop cheering. He can work a fast paced spotfest like in WK9, or he can work a chain submission match that goes through thousands of holds with not a single strike ever thrown and the crowd won't get bored. He really is one of those guys, that if you let him, could work with anyone. I'd say his only let-down is tag matches...but NJPW loves just doing 6 or 8 man tag matches for no reason other than to put guys on the card. No one is good in a tag match in NJPW unless it is a traditional tag.
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pointing out ignorance is not hostile.
if you have the means to join the IWC and challenge the merit of probably the best performer WWE employs as if it's some puzzling fad, then you have the means to watch one of his highly regarded matches to find out why. if you still don't understand after that then you're free to skip his matches and stick to hilarious New Day segments |
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I'm waiting for hardcore wrestling fans to realize that appealing to casuals isn't the same as appealing to hardcore's. They look for different things. Saying wait till he has a match isn't going to matter. Cause casuals don't watch for the match first. It's not their top priority. Lots of fans don't know how to stop being a fan and put their booking hat on.
He is going to have to be presented the right way to work on the main roster. That's just a fact. It doesn't matter how good he is in the ring or how much fun his entrance is. Same goes for Finn balor. If people can't connect with the guy because their communication skills are awful (albeit for different reasons. Nakamura doesn't know the language great and has a big accent) then it won't click with casuals. I will say though they have done an awful job with Nakamura right now. Should have had him wrestle already. Let him do what he's good at first then worry about casual appeal.
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lilJoe457 posted...
I'm waiting for hardcore wrestling fans to realize that appealing to casuals isn't the same as appealing to hardcore's. They look for different things. Saying wait till he has a match isn't going to matter. Cause casuals don't watch for the match first. It's not their top priority. Lots of fans don't know how to stop being a fan and put their booking hat on. This is also true. Wasn't last night only Shinsuke's second on-screen appearance since coming up?
If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
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ghettorevival posted...
you don't see the appeal of one of the top 5 best professional wrestlers walking this planet today Lmao what a f***ing nerd answer How about you tell him what the appeal is instead of that butthurt ass reply?
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Also, check out his matches w/ Bobby Roode in NXT, if you don't "get" it after that, well, I guess it's just not your cup of tea. That's why there's all kinds of stuff on the roster, in theory there's something for everyone to enjoy. I only saw the most recent one, and while it was okay, it dragged out longer than it needed to. jeffhardyb0yz posted... ghettorevival posted...you don't see the appeal of one of the top 5 best professional wrestlers walking this planet today Just ignore ghetto's existence. He's one of the many trolls here.
If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it. |
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lilJoe457 posted...
I'm waiting for hardcore wrestling fans to realize that appealing to casuals isn't the same as appealing to hardcore's. They look for different things. Saying wait till he has a match isn't going to matter. Cause casuals don't watch for the match first. It's not their top priority. Lots of fans don't know how to stop being a fan and put their booking hat on. This guy gets it |
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VRX3000 posted...
He is a very good character. In a day and age where people's "character" is "I'm generic tough guy #8161541141915 and I'm going to win at (insert PPV here)", Shinsuke Nakamura is some looney Michael Jackson mental ward patient...yet he's still very serious. He's goofy, but not to the point that it overtakes his fighting ability. He'll do a bunch of bizarre poses that get a pop, but they are never too over the top. You can believe that this man really is this kooky. That's why WWE went after him and not equally talented Japanese wrestlers like Goto or Naito. In all honesty they're not doing enough to highlight what his character is. Having Ziggler tell everyone he's Michael Jackson isn't going to get him over lol. Think for example, what would Mankind have been without the boiler room promos, the vignettes, or the interviews where his character shone through? In 1998-1999, what would Mankind have been without the interactions with Vince or Rock? WWE are so lazy when it comes to character development, and have been for a really long time now.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
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ghettorevival posted...
pointing out ignorance is not hostile. So this Freddy Mercury guy, he wears some spiffy outfits but I don't really get the appeal. I've never seen Queen, but a lot of people seem to love him for something. I just can't figure it out. (Could it be the singing? Nah, casual music fans don't care about that stuff...)
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ghettorevival posted...
you don't see the appeal of one of the top 5 best professional wrestlers walking this planet today that's not what OP means. he debuted on SD, and what has he done to appeal to the crowd? wwe assumes everyone who watches raw or sd is familiar with nxt. but that's not necessarily the case. |
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MasterFoxCheif3 posted...TERRA_RYZlN posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...
TC = Fail.
Do you watch NXT? If not, watch some old episodes if you have the Network, he's amazing, speaks very good English for a Japanese wrestler, and given that Japanese people are known for being small, he is of above average height.
He stated IN THE VERY FIRST POST that he doesn't watch NXT
I only watch the NXT PPVs.....does that mean I don't really "watch" NXT?
>_>
I'm not sure what you're getting at. His exact quote was "I've never seen NXT before". So what the f*** are you yapping about?HH1 nobody on this board takes you seriously. nobody. do you understand me?-shycheesecakeDaremo posted...ghettorevival posted...
pointing out ignorance is not hostile.
So this Freddy Mercury guy, he wears some spiffy outfits but I don't really get the appeal. I've never seen Queen, but a lot of people seem to love him for something. I just can't figure it out.
(Could it be the singing? Nah, casual music fans don't care about that stuff...)
Horrible analogy. You say that like in-ring ability was/is the main draw.Man is like a piece of cheese...Daremo posted...ghettorevival posted...
pointing out ignorance is not hostile.
So this Freddy Mercury guy, he wears some spiffy outfits but I don't really get the appeal. I've never seen Queen, but a lot of people seem to love him for something. I just can't figure it out.
(Could it be the singing? Nah, casual music fans don't care about that stuff...)
thank youI saw him for the first time at Takeover; Dallas. While that match with Zayn was excellent, it's his charisma that makes him stand out for me. It's hard to articulate, but he has a swagger and way of moving about that kinda draws one in. He speaks very little English, but it doesn't matter, his ring psychology is insanely good. It's almost like he lets his actions speak for him and doesn't need to say much, which is unique in the WWE tbh. He's natural and smooth in the ring, which is also somewhat rare, since there are so many superstars that are so clunky and awkward when wrestling.
Oh and he's also a great worker.Everytime I read rottenmonk's posts, and think about future offsprings, I weep for the humanity. -FranckKnightHeatseeker500 posted...Daremo posted...
ghettorevival posted...
pointing out ignorance is not hostile.
So this Freddy Mercury guy, he wears some spiffy outfits but I don't really get the appeal. I've never seen Queen, but a lot of people seem to love him for something. I just can't figure it out.
(Could it be the singing? Nah, casual music fans don't care about that stuff...)
Horrible analogy. You say that like in-ring ability was/is the main draw.
For Nakamura it kinda is.HH1 nobody on this board takes you seriously. nobody. do you understand me?-shycheesecakeTERRA_RYZlN posted...MasterFoxCheif3 posted...
TERRA_RYZlN posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...
TC = Fail.
Do you watch NXT? If not, watch some old episodes if you have the Network, he's amazing, speaks very good English for a Japanese wrestler, and given that Japanese people are known for being small, he is of above average height.
He stated IN THE VERY FIRST POST that he doesn't watch NXT
I only watch the NXT PPVs.....does that mean I don't really "watch" NXT?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. His exact quote was "I've never seen NXT before". So what the f*** are you yapping about?
I don't watch weekly NXT episodes. I only watch the NXT PPVs.
Does that mean I'm not a true NXT watcher?''President of the I Hate Batman Club: He's overpowered without any superpower''
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ghettorevival posted...
pointing out ignorance is not hostile.
So this Freddy Mercury guy, he wears some spiffy outfits but I don't really get the appeal. I've never seen Queen, but a lot of people seem to love him for something. I just can't figure it out.
(Could it be the singing? Nah, casual music fans don't care about that stuff...)
Horrible analogy. You say that like in-ring ability was/is the main draw.
For Nakamura it kinda is.
I'm talking wrestling in general, especially a company WWE.Man is like a piece of cheese...Shinsuke's charisma is the main thing that draws me to him, too, though he also has been pretty good in the ring from what I've seen, which, again, was only the most recent match with Bobby Roode.If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it.MasterFoxCheif3 posted...TERRA_RYZlN posted...
MasterFoxCheif3 posted...
TERRA_RYZlN posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...
TC = Fail.
Do you watch NXT? If not, watch some old episodes if you have the Network, he's amazing, speaks very good English for a Japanese wrestler, and given that Japanese people are known for being small, he is of above average height.
He stated IN THE VERY FIRST POST that he doesn't watch NXT
I only watch the NXT PPVs.....does that mean I don't really "watch" NXT?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. His exact quote was "I've never seen NXT before". So what the f*** are you yapping about?
I don't watch weekly NXT episodes. I only watch the NXT PPVs.
Does that mean I'm not a true NXT watcher?
Did you have a stroke? I never said anything about a true nxt watcher.
DickAllen asked "you don't watch nxt do you?"
I pointed out he said he didn't ever watch nxt in his first post.
What does any of that have to do with nxt ppvs and true nxt fans or whatever the f*** you're talking about?HH1 nobody on this board takes you seriously. nobody. do you understand me?-shycheesecakeI'm not a fan of his character either. I get that his real appeal is his in-ring work but he's presented as this rock star who oozes this aura of awesomeness and I don't see it. He also can't talk which is understandable but they keep putting him in in-ring talking segments. I just want this introductory phase to be over so he can regularly do what he's good at.t00ligan posted...Judging a wrestler before watching them wrestle is like judging a video game without turning on the system. You're doing it wrong.
You can and sometimes SHOULD do both of those though. You don't buy every video game ever for a reason.http://www.warwithwords.com
Blade Forged in Darkness: An award-winning Fantasy Novel:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CE0TLLMCan't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley
http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpgBillyKidd posted...Can't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.
While this board is insanely easy to troll, I don't see this topic as trolling at all.If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it.Rottenmonk posted...I saw him for the first time at Takeover; Dallas. While that match with Zayn was excellent, it's his charisma that makes him stand out for me. It's hard to articulate, but he has a swagger and way of moving about that kinda draws one in. He speaks very little English, but it doesn't matter, his ring psychology is insanely good. It's almost like he lets his actions speak for him and doesn't need to say much, which is unique in the WWE tbh. He's natural and smooth in the ring, which is also somewhat rare, since there are so many superstars that are so clunky and awkward when wrestling.
Oh and he's also a great worker.
This. So far the main roster has got it all wrong with Nakamura's booking. I can understand they want to do a slow build with him to his first match but the long drawn out talking segments are unnecessary. Let his natural charisma and mannerisms and wrestling do the talking for him. I hope they don't waste time doing the same thing with Asuka when she gets called up.New York YankeesMorpheus102686 posted...Rottenmonk posted...
I saw him for the first time at Takeover; Dallas. While that match with Zayn was excellent, it's his charisma that makes him stand out for me. It's hard to articulate, but he has a swagger and way of moving about that kinda draws one in. He speaks very little English, but it doesn't matter, his ring psychology is insanely good. It's almost like he lets his actions speak for him and doesn't need to say much, which is unique in the WWE tbh. He's natural and smooth in the ring, which is also somewhat rare, since there are so many superstars that are so clunky and awkward when wrestling.
Oh and he's also a great worker.
This. So far the main roster has got it all wrong with Nakamura's booking. I can understand they want to do a slow build with him to his first match but the long drawn out talking segments are unnecessary. Let his natural charisma and mannerisms and wrestling do the talking for him. I hope they don't waste time doing the same thing with Asuka when she gets called up.
I feel like since this is Triple H's pet project he might be in charge of it, and the dude is huge believer in the "less is more" philosophy of building something. I mean just look at his matches.Yup Joked can really be an ass at times, a kick ass, hilarious ass, but an ass none the less.- J Dogg WWJBD/JBPHC =w= RIP MitchSo you admit to not watching his in-ring work and are oblivious to what has transpired in NXT for what a year now? Your opinion is based on almost nothing so I have almost nothing to say.\o\ lol /o/ \o\ lol /o/ - I'm not a good poster, I'm not a bad poster, I'm THE poster!
#1 AJ Styles fanBillyKidd posted...Can't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.
I'm not trying to troll anyone
Maybe it's because I don't really watch WWE for the actual wrestling. The promos/backstage segments/characters/storylines are what keep me entertained when I decide to watch.
We all grew up being huge fans of Stone Cold and The Rock, right? Did you like them because of their in ring skill or the characters they were portraying?
I'm not doubting Nakamura is great in the ring. But that's not what I really care about TBHBabidi123 posted...BillyKidd posted...
Can't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.
I'm not trying to troll anyone
Maybe it's because I don't really watch WWE for the actual wrestling. The promos/backstage segments/characters/storylines are what keep me entertained when I decide to watch.
We all grew up being huge fans of Stone Cold and The Rock, right? Did you like them because of their in ring skill or the characters they were portraying?
I'm not doubting Nakamura is great in the ring. But that's not what I really care about TBH
This is what a lot of people are failing to see and are getting so defensive about it. Quite embarrassing really.
While I can appreciate good ring work (Bret Hart is my all-time favourite wrestler), it's not the main reason I tune into the show. Personally I want to see good storylines and good promos with well-developed characters.Man is like a piece of cheese...Heatseeker500 posted...Babidi123 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Can't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.
I'm not trying to troll anyone
Maybe it's because I don't really watch WWE for the actual wrestling. The promos/backstage segments/characters/storylines are what keep me entertained when I decide to watch.
We all grew up being huge fans of Stone Cold and The Rock, right? Did you like them because of their in ring skill or the characters they were portraying?
I'm not doubting Nakamura is great in the ring. But that's not what I really care about TBH
This is what a lot of people are failing to see and are getting so defensive about it. Quite embarrassing really.
While I can appreciate good ring work (Bret Hart is my all-time favourite wrestler), it's not the main reason I tune into the show. Personally I want to see good storylines and good promos with well-developed characters.
My problem with this topic (as I mentioned in my previous post) was that this opinion was taken without much knowledge. It's basically an uninformed opinion. If you haven't watched NJPW or NXT then of course you have little knowledge about him up to this point. And sure he hasn't done anything of value on the main roster yet, but if you want to critique a wrestler or say you don't see the appeal maybe it would be prudent to do some homework.\o\ lol /o/ \o\ lol /o/ - I'm not a good poster, I'm not a bad poster, I'm THE poster!
#1 AJ Styles fanhailthorn posted...
My problem with this topic (as I mentioned in my previous post) was that this opinion was taken without much knowledge. It's basically an uninformed opinion. If you haven't watched NJPW or NXT then of course you have little knowledge about him up to this point. And sure he hasn't done anything of value on the main roster yet, but if you want to critique a wrestler or say you don't see the appeal maybe it would be prudent to do some homework.
I mean the dude specifically said that he doesn't see the appeal *based on what Smackdown has shown of him so far*, asks what makes people like him and even says he's aware the guy's in-ring skills are probably part of it, what do you want? It's perfectly valid to base your opinion on what you know, especially when you don't even try to pretend you know more than you do. You don't need to do f***ing research to be allowed to say that Nakamura's presentation on Smackdown so far isn't all that compellingWe clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyrannyBabidi123 posted...hailthorn posted...
So you admit to not watching his in-ring work and are oblivious to what has transpired in NXT for what a year now? Your opinion is based on almost nothing so I have almost nothing to say.
Take away everything he's ever done inside a ring. What do you like about him?
So, I have to judge a wrestler on everything BUT his wrestling ability?\o\ lol /o/ \o\ lol /o/ - I'm not a good poster, I'm not a bad poster, I'm THE poster!
#1 AJ Styles fanTERRA_RYZlN posted...MasterFoxCheif3 posted...
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MasterFoxCheif3 posted...
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RichAllen2017 posted...
TC = Fail.
Do you watch NXT? If not, watch some old episodes if you have the Network, he's amazing, speaks very good English for a Japanese wrestler, and given that Japanese people are known for being small, he is of above average height.
He stated IN THE VERY FIRST POST that he doesn't watch NXT
I only watch the NXT PPVs.....does that mean I don't really "watch" NXT?
>_>
I'm not sure what you're getting at. His exact quote was "I've never seen NXT before". So what the f*** are you yapping about?
I don't watch weekly NXT episodes. I only watch the NXT PPVs.
Does that mean I'm not a true NXT watcher?
Did you have a stroke? I never said anything about a true nxt watcher.
DickAllen asked "you don't watch nxt do you?"
I pointed out he said he didn't ever watch nxt in his first post.
What does any of that have to do with nxt ppvs and true nxt fans or whatever the f*** you're talking about?
Don't, and I MEAN DON'T call me Dick,
Your post has been marked.I'm a Grammar Nazi, your equals you're. I'm more of a gamer though, Viva la Xbox!Panthera posted...hailthorn posted...
My problem with this topic (as I mentioned in my previous post) was that this opinion was taken without much knowledge. It's basically an uninformed opinion. If you haven't watched NJPW or NXT then of course you have little knowledge about him up to this point. And sure he hasn't done anything of value on the main roster yet, but if you want to critique a wrestler or say you don't see the appeal maybe it would be prudent to do some homework.
I mean the dude specifically said that he doesn't see the appeal *based on what Smackdown has shown of him so far*, asks what makes people like him and even says he's aware the guy's in-ring skills are probably part of it, what do you want? It's perfectly valid to base your opinion on what you know, especially when you don't even try to pretend you know more than you do. You don't need to do f***ing research to be allowed to say that Nakamura's presentation on Smackdown so far isn't all that compelling
Alright imagine you never ate buffalo wings, but you smelled them. Now you're going to say you don't see the appeal of them. Probably not the best example. But it's the best I could come up with in a few seconds.
I just don't the point of voicing an opinion on a WRESTLER when you've never seen him wrestle.\o\ lol /o/ \o\ lol /o/ - I'm not a good poster, I'm not a bad poster, I'm THE poster!
#1 AJ Styles fanHeatseeker500 posted...Babidi123 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Can't believe how easy it is to work this board. If TC really wanted to know about Shinsuke he would just look up his matches on Youtube but instead trolls y'all and you fall for it hook,line, and sinker.
I'm not trying to troll anyone
Maybe it's because I don't really watch WWE for the actual wrestling. The promos/backstage segments/characters/storylines are what keep me entertained when I decide to watch.
We all grew up being huge fans of Stone Cold and The Rock, right? Did you like them because of their in ring skill or the characters they were portraying?
I'm not doubting Nakamura is great in the ring. But that's not what I really care about TBH
This is what a lot of people are failing to see and are getting so defensive about it. Quite embarrassing really.
While I can appreciate good ring work (Bret Hart is my all-time favourite wrestler), it's not the main reason I tune into the show. Personally I want to see good storylines and good promos with well-developed characters.
The thing is most of the board likes him (for now anyway. This will likely change when he gets a bigger push). Whenever someone shows even a slight indication that they're not a fan of a wrestler most like, they get ridiculed and are often subjected to unnecessary insults, which makes no sense whatsoever to me. The world is a big place. Not everyone is gonna share the same tastes as you. As long as the disagreement isn't done with malicious intent, there should be no issues whatsoever with a disagreement. Just agree to disagree and move on. Everyone's entitled to their own tastes and preferences. I for one find what I've seen of the "broken" gimmick from the Hardys to be very lame while most can't wait for that to come to WWE. I'm willing to give the gimmick a chance, though, since I've admittedly seen very, very little of it.If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it.hailthorn posted...Babidi123 posted...
hailthorn posted...
So you admit to not watching his in-ring work and are oblivious to what has transpired in NXT for what a year now? Your opinion is based on almost nothing so I have almost nothing to say.
Take away everything he's ever done inside a ring. What do you like about him?
So, I have to judge a wrestler on everything BUT his wrestling ability?
So, my opinion of a wrestler can only be based on his in ring work? Two sides to every coin bud.hailthorn posted...
Alright imagine you never ate buffalo wings, but you smelled them. Now you're going to say you don't see the appeal of them. Probably not the best example. But it's the best I could come up with in a few seconds.
I just don't the point of voicing an opinion on a WRESTLER when you've never seen him wrestle.
It's more like you watch the first episode of a long running TV show, think it sucks, and then ask what the appeal is and whether it gets betterWe clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyrannyTrulyEpicLawls posted...Guys don't be mean to Dick.
Marked.
FFS how many f***ing more times do you people need to be told NOT to call me THAT word?!
Do not worry however, marking is a complete waste of time, the Mods never do anything.I'm a Grammar Nazi, your equals you're. I'm more of a gamer though, Viva la Xbox!RichAllen2017 posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Guys don't be mean to Dick.
Marked.
FFS how many f***ing more times do you people need to be told NOT to call me THAT word?!
Do not worry however, marking is a complete waste of time, the Mods never do anything.
Ok, I'm informed of being marked. Now what? If I get moderated, then what? You already saw it, so it's done its job.
You're sillier than a bag of Dicks.Argument winners: calm down, troll, hater, you obviously, LOL, don't care, I'm done, actually this is funny, not wasting my time, butthurt, blocked, keep tryingBabidi123 posted...hailthorn posted...
Babidi123 posted...
hailthorn posted...
So you admit to not watching his in-ring work and are oblivious to what has transpired in NXT for what a year now? Your opinion is based on almost nothing so I have almost nothing to say.
Take away everything he's ever done inside a ring. What do you like about him?
So, I have to judge a wrestler on everything BUT his wrestling ability?
So, my opinion of a wrestler can only be based on his in ring work? Two sides to every coin bud.
You were asking me a question about MY opinion. What does that have to do with you? Secondly nothing in my answer implied that wrestling was the ONLY way to judge a wrestler. But I do feel that's kinda the predominant feature of judging a WRESTLER is by their WRESTLING ability.
But take all of that away. Let's say I was going to critique Tom Brady and I had never watched him throw a pass. "Take away everything he's ever done inside a football field. What do you like about him?" "Er...well, you know, I've never watched an NFL game but I really don't see the appeal."\o\ lol /o/ \o\ lol /o/ - I'm not a good poster, I'm not a bad poster, I'm THE poster!
#1 AJ Styles fanTrulyEpicLawls posted...RichAllen2017 posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Guys don't be mean to Dick.
Marked.
FFS how many f***ing more times do you people need to be told NOT to call me THAT word?!
Do not worry however, marking is a complete waste of time, the Mods never do anything.
Ok, I'm informed of being marked. Now what? If I get moderated, then what? You already saw it, so it's done its job.
You're sillier than a bag of Dicks.
Marked again, welcome to my ignore list.
Now kindly GTFO my face, I'm busy.I'm a Grammar Nazi, your equals you're. I'm more of a gamer though, Viva la Xbox!RichAllen2017 posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Guys don't be mean to Dick.
Marked.
FFS how many f***ing more times do you people need to be told NOT to call me THAT word?!
Do not worry however, marking is a complete waste of time, the Mods never do anything.
Ok, I'm informed of being marked. Now what? If I get moderated, then what? You already saw it, so it's done its job.
You're sillier than a bag of Dicks.
Marked again, welcome to my ignore list.
Now kindly GTFO my face, I'm busy.
Why are you telling me I'm blocked like it matters?Argument winners: calm down, troll, hater, you obviously, LOL, don't care, I'm done, actually this is funny, not wasting my time, butthurt, blocked, keep tryingFatestaykitchen posted...You need to cam down you troll hater. Lol you obviously don't care. Actually this is funny! I'm done.
Anyway I'm not wasting time on this butthurt but keep trying
It wasn't witty when the first person did it, it's not gonna be witty being the 100th guy.Argument winners: calm down, troll, hater, you obviously, LOL, don't care, I'm done, actually this is funny, not wasting my time, butthurt, blocked, keep tryingAnyway I don't blame you TC. They're presenting him horribly and they're banking too much on you already being invested.
If I didnt Watch nxt or japan I wouldn't see the appeal either.
But trust me. You'll see the appeal once you see him wrestle. All my non wrestling friends are fans after I show them how good he is. All of them. Even the ones who hate wrestling. He's that damn good."I did chest. It was good.....yesterday"
-Husky Harris. The NEW WWE CHAMPION!- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- As a casual viewer, I don't see the appeal of Shinsuke Nakamura
- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- As a casual viewer, I don't see the appeal of Shinsuke Nakamura
RichAllen2017 posted...Marked again, welcome to my ignore list.
Now kindly GTFO my face, I'm busy.
No one cares if you block them.
Like imagine if some complete stranger walked up to you and said "I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU" then walked off again."A banned word was found in your signature, *****"TrulyEpicLawls posted...Fatestaykitchen posted...
You need to cam down you troll hater. Lol you obviously don't care. Actually this is funny! I'm done.
Anyway I'm not wasting time on this butthurt but keep trying
It wasn't witty when the first person did it, it's not gonna be witty being the 100th guy.
Your sig isn't that witty or effective or new either. It's just adding trite to more trite and it's yet another cliche line people use to get out of arguments.
Honestly, the only way it works is if you put. "What I'm doing with this sig" on there. Otherwise you obviously sound butthurt"I did chest. It was good.....yesterday"
-Husky Harris. The NEW WWE CHAMPION!Fatestaykitchen posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Fatestaykitchen posted...
You need to cam down you troll hater. Lol you obviously don't care. Actually this is funny! I'm done.
Anyway I'm not wasting time on this butthurt but keep trying
It wasn't witty when the first person did it, it's not gonna be witty being the 100th guy.
Your sig isn't that witty or effective or new either. It's just adding trite to more trite and it's yet another cliche line people use to get out of arguments.
Honestly, the only way it works is if you put. "What I'm doing with this sig" on there. Otherwise you obviously sound butthurt
It angers the people who use these buzzwords and when someone starts insulting it that means they've 'lost', so it works perfectly.
This is the only forum that's made a big deal out of my signature, I've never seen it talked about so much. That tells you everything, and that isn't 'the PWB is full of smart people with good observation'.Argument winners: calm down, troll, hater, you obviously, LOL, don't care, I'm done, actually this is funny, not wasting my time, butthurt, blocked, keep tryingDon't know why people are s***ting on the TC. I imagine WWE cares more about what viewers like him think than what most of the board thinks. The vast majority of people don't watch NJPW or NXT, & WWE wants to entice more Network subscribers based solely on their enjoyment of the weekly shows. The presentation & appeal of new workers & how they are perceived by casual fans has got to be extremely important to them, especially in the case of highly paid free agents like Nakamura. Tbh, I've never watched any of his NJPW matches & have only watched a few of his Takeover matches, so I'm in a similar boat as the TC. Imo they're not handling him very well, & hopefully next week he just wrecks somebody, b/c that's where he shines. I actually don't think it's been a huge problem yet though. Between his music, entrance, charisma, & the crowd reactions, he still seems like a big deal & feels important. They just need to let him do something cool while the fans are still excited about him being there. In a way he reminds me of the Ultimate Warrior (i.e. loads of charisma, great theme, unique look/personality), except he's a really good worker. Hopefully they book him properly & protect him.UnfairRepresent is a tool. Formerly sig-less user logic.PackersXLV posted...People like Nakamura and Balor it's not like they aren't good talent, it's the WWE not letting them go to their full potential.
If watch any of the New Japan stuff, you'll see what I mean.
The problem is it's a different presentation. Demon Balor is nothing more than a visual, and regular Balor is nothing to write home about in WWE. Regardless of talent levels, nobody, absolutely nobody is handled properly in WWE. s*** starts at the top and rolls downhill.Man is like a piece of cheese...Heatseeker500 posted...PackersXLV posted...
People like Nakamura and Balor it's not like they aren't good talent, it's the WWE not letting them go to their full potential.
If watch any of the New Japan stuff, you'll see what I mean.
The problem is it's a different presentation. Demon Balor is nothing more than a visual, and regular Balor is nothing to write home about in WWE. Regardless of talent levels, nobody, absolutely nobody is handled properly in WWE. s*** starts at the top and rolls downhill.
It's quite telling when time and time again, red hot talent with so much momentum on NXT get called up to the main roster and just roll over and die.New York YankeesRichAllen2017 posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...
RichAllen2017 posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Guys don't be mean to Dick.
Marked.
FFS how many f***ing more times do you people need to be told NOT to call me THAT word?!
Do not worry however, marking is a complete waste of time, the Mods never do anything.
Ok, I'm informed of being marked. Now what? If I get moderated, then what? You already saw it, so it's done its job.
You're sillier than a bag of Dicks.
Marked again, welcome to my ignore list.
Now kindly GTFO my face, I'm busy.
This is the funniest and saddest thing I have read today. What a huge dick, I bet he is the biggest dick on this boardHonestly, blame Ziggler. He's the wrong opponent to debut him with, like yeah they'll have a great match, but with Nakamura's accent he needs a strong heel to be over with his promo. KO would be great, but I feel like Miz would've been perfect.Opportunities multiply as they are seized. - Sun TzuKingHova045 posted...Honestly, blame Ziggler. He's the wrong opponent to debut him with, like yeah they'll have a great match, but with Nakamura's accent he needs a strong heel to be over with his promo. KO would be great, but I feel like Miz would've been perfect.
Miz was absolutely the right person to put him with.Man is like a piece of cheese...truffleshuffles posted...ghettorevival posted...
you don't see the appeal of one of the top 5 best professional wrestlers walking this planet today
ok
He literally said he doesn't know how he is in the ring but he is suppose to know he is one of the top 5 best wrestler?
Ok"Larry Brown has never won a championship." - bond21
Trump is my president.Babidi123 posted...LloydtheIrving posted...
Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof.
It shouldn't matter how he is in the ring though. If the WWE can't get a casual fan like myself to care about him through his characater and promos, then something isn't working.
This is true. Dean Malenko comes to mind"Larry Brown has never won a championship." - bond21
Trump is my president.PoopMcgee420 posted...Babidi123 posted...
LloydtheIrving posted...
Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof.
It shouldn't matter how he is in the ring though. If the WWE can't get a casual fan like myself to care about him through his characater and promos, then something isn't working.
This is true. Dean Malenko comes to mind
Normally I would agree, but Ultimo Dragon's ring work was so amazing, I didn't give a f*** about promos or a character.WarGreymon77 posted...PoopMcgee420 posted...
Babidi123 posted...
LloydtheIrving posted...
Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof.
It shouldn't matter how he is in the ring though. If the WWE can't get a casual fan like myself to care about him through his characater and promos, then something isn't working.
This is true. Dean Malenko comes to mind
Normally I would agree, but Ultimo Dragon's ring work was so amazing, I didn't give a f*** about promos or a character.
When did he ever do promos? I thought he just did cool Lucha Things before they were cool.''President of the I Hate Batman Club: He's overpowered without any superpower''
New and improved GIF - http://i.imgur.com/cuYAp.gif - New and Improved GIFThat might be the problem if you haven't seem him put in that work. His NXT performances were good (great if you just want to count his debut match against Sami Zayn). But if you want to see his REAL resume, then you need to go check out his matches from New Japan. Which isn't hard with the internet being around. Check out Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kazuchika Okada - G1 Climax 24 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Tomohiro Ishii - G1 Climax 24 (Day 7), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi - G1 Climax 25 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. AJ Styles - WrestleKingdom 10, and Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi - WrestleKingdom 9. Watch those, then you'll get why Shinsuke is that dude.@Babidi123 I am just curious TC. Have you taken a look at the posts that explained why people like Shinsuke Nakamura? I'm not talking about the posts bashing you. But the posts explaining their love for ShinsukeToronto Raptors' fan and Kofi Kingston's brother.
Montgomery14 : DeKobe giveth what he taketh away.MasterFoxCheif3 posted...WarGreymon77 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Babidi123 posted...
LloydtheIrving posted...
Maybe wait until he actually has a match on the main roster, ya goof.
It shouldn't matter how he is in the ring though. If the WWE can't get a casual fan like myself to care about him through his characater and promos, then something isn't working.
This is true. Dean Malenko comes to mind
Normally I would agree, but Ultimo Dragon's ring work was so amazing, I didn't give a f*** about promos or a character.
When did he ever do promos? I thought he just did cool Lucha Things before they were cool.
That's the point. I haven't seen a Nakamura match yet, though.SavoyPrime posted...That might be the problem if you haven't seem him put in that work. His NXT performances were good (great if you just want to count his debut match against Sami Zayn). But if you want to see his REAL resume, then you need to go check out his matches from New Japan. Which isn't hard with the internet being around. Check out Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kazuchika Okada - G1 Climax 24 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Tomohiro Ishii - G1 Climax 24 (Day 7), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi - G1 Climax 25 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. AJ Styles - WrestleKingdom 10, and Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi - WrestleKingdom 9. Watch those, then you'll get why Shinsuke is that dude.
Thanks. I've wanted to check his NJPW work for awhile but wasn't sure where to start.New York Yankeesashydezzie posted...and put him in a low mid card feud with Ziggles??
So what, you want them to hotshot him directly into a program with AJ Styles?
It's called a build. Start him slow and build him up, so that when he DOES get there, it actually means something.It's "Hahaha". Not "Bahaha" or "Bwahaha". You're not a pirate or a moustache twirling villain. You're a human. Laugh like one.Morpheus102686 posted...SavoyPrime posted...
That might be the problem if you haven't seem him put in that work. His NXT performances were good (great if you just want to count his debut match against Sami Zayn). But if you want to see his REAL resume, then you need to go check out his matches from New Japan. Which isn't hard with the internet being around. Check out Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kazuchika Okada - G1 Climax 24 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Tomohiro Ishii - G1 Climax 24 (Day 7), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi - G1 Climax 25 (Final), Shinsuke Nakamura vs. AJ Styles - WrestleKingdom 10, and Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi - WrestleKingdom 9. Watch those, then you'll get why Shinsuke is that dude.
Thanks. I've wanted to check his NJPW work for awhile but wasn't sure where to start.
Not a problem! Let me know what you think!Raven_Cyarm posted...ashydezzie posted...
and put him in a low mid card feud with Ziggles??
So what, you want them to hotshot him directly into a program with AJ Styles?
It's called a build. Start him slow and build him up, so that when he DOES get there, it actually means something.
Uh to be fair? AJs first year was an amazing success. You put a top guy at the top and he just does his thing.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing just you picked the worst possible example for your purpose"I did chest. It was good.....yesterday"
-Husky Harris. The NEW WWE CHAMPION!Fatestaykitchen posted...Uh to be fair? AJs first year was an amazing success. You put a top guy at the top and he just does his thing.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing just you picked the worst possible example for your purpose
AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura are two completely different wrestlers.
Styles is a predominantly American wrestler who's had more than a decade of exposure to western audiences. Unless you're completely new to professional wrestling, there's a good chance you've heard of AJ Styles before seeing him in WWE. His gimmick is "I'm a good wrestler." It's an easy gimmick to follow.
Nakamura up until the past few years had only really wrestled in Japan and Mexico. Most western audiences don't know him. His gimmick involves a lot of unique movements and mannerisms that look incredibly different from every other wrestler in the world, and that can be offputting when you're only used to seeing what American wrestlers do.
One's gonna easier to get over and then push, than the other. AJ also didn't start at the top either. He had about 4 months before he got put in the title picture and 9 until he actually won it. Before that he was having... midcard feuds and matches that built him up. Shocker.
It's easy for AJ to heat up and reach the top of the American wrestling scene, because he's been here for most of his career. Nakamura's gonna take a hot minute, but he'll get there eventually because of his charisma and in ring skill.It's "Hahaha". Not "Bahaha" or "Bwahaha". You're not a pirate or a moustache twirling villain. You're a human. Laugh like one.A lot of people complaining that TC doesn't like Nakamura even though he hasn't seen him wrestle, well I watched him in NXT, don't really see anything special about him. I mean, he was super over in NXT but we've seen a ton of guys be over in NXT then disappoint on the main roster.- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- As a casual viewer, I don't see the appeal of Shinsuke Nakamura
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