April 28, 2017

Why does America keep trying trickle down economics?

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hivebent4life 6 hours ago#1
It literally never works, and just makes things worse for the poor and middle class while unjustly enriching the rich even more.
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Voidgolem 6 hours ago#3
'cos the rich people run the country.
SlyflyT 6 hours ago#4
Trickle down only works when the government forces it through heavy taxation of the rich. Like in the 40s-50s when our country was rich because the rich paid like 90% tax rates. Back then we funded the entire interstate system created from scratch. Today we cant even afford the upkeep on it.
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BruceWayneJr 5 hours ago#5
Voidgolem posted...
'cos the rich people run the country.


Basically. And they pay for their message to be spread down to the right wing base through lobbyists, radio personalities and Fox News. They've been fostering ignorance among people, steering them away from facts, and demonizing anything in the way of innovation or progress, all in the name of keeping and increasing their industries. 

They have a stranglehold on America's uneducated masses.
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The_Undying_84 5 hours ago#6
Because Republican politicians are sociopaths, and Republican voters are morons, and so are most swing voters; and meanwhile Democrats are very bad at persuasion.

SlyflyT posted...
Trickle down only works when the government forces it through heavy taxation of the rich. Like in the 40s-50s when our country was rich because the rich paid like 90% tax rates. Back then we funded the entire interstate system created from scratch. Today we cant even afford the upkeep on it.


Well, yeah, but that's basically the opposite of what trickle down is.
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BilalPowell 5 hours ago#7
Because libs keep saying it doesnt work and libs are usually wrong, it makes sense to try it.
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hivebent4life 5 hours ago#8
BilalPowell posted...
Just because libs say something doesnt work doesnt mean it doesnt work.

All the evidence shows it never works
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Clutch 5 hours ago#9
hivebent4life posted...
BilalPowell posted...
Just because libs say something doesnt work doesnt mean it doesnt work.

All the evidence shows it never works


Lol
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Brandalia 5 hours ago#10
What is trickle down economics and where is it taught?
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Clutch 5 hours ago#12
Brandalia posted...
What is trickle down economics and where is it taught?


It's the one that's not socialism or communism.
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Ryan914 5 hours ago#13
The issue is that they let the money bleed out from the country. Not many see that unless you have a closed system to keep the money in, it won't work. Think of the economy like those fountains that circulate the water, now either place a drain in it or put a hole in it, you then realize the water is being pulled out instead of being circulated.

The issue is keeping it in the country.
hivebent4life posted...
BilalPowell posted...
Just because libs say something doesnt work doesnt mean it doesnt work.

All the evidence shows it never works


Conservatives don't believe in things like facts, statistics or evidence, except on the rare occasion they cite something meaningless and draw far too broad a conclusion from it, like "This one gun law in this one town didn't do much, all gun laws are completely ineffective."
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Clutch 5 hours ago#15
The_Undying_84 posted...
hivebent4life posted...
BilalPowell posted...
Just because libs say something doesnt work doesnt mean it doesnt work.

All the evidence shows it never works


Conservatives don't believe in things like facts, statistics or evidence, except on the rare occasion they cite something meaningless and draw far too broad a conclusion from it, like "This one gun law in this one town didn't do much, all gun laws are completely ineffective."


Lol
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BilalPowell 5 hours ago#16
Idk what the facts even are. Both sides manipulate the stats to make them seem right.
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Brandalia 5 hours ago#17
The_Undying_84 posted...
hivebent4life posted...
BilalPowell posted...
Just because libs say something doesnt work doesnt mean it doesnt work.

All the evidence shows it never works


Conservatives don't believe in things like facts, statistics or evidence, except on the rare occasion they cite something meaningless and draw far too broad a conclusion from it, like "This one gun law in this one town didn't do much, all gun laws are completely ineffective."

Is that kinda like when leftists here keep using Kansas as an example even though (1) Kansas is about average and (2) Kansas is not the entire US?

But, regardless, people who rail against trickle down economics are, at best, railing against a strawman or, at worst, railing against a bogeyman, given that no such thing as trickle down economics exists.
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Clutch 5 hours ago#18
Kansas is just the new "Somalia" for low information liberal trolls.
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Newhopes 5 hours ago#19
Why do communist want to steal everything?
hivebent4life 5 hours ago#20
Newhopes posted...
Why do communist want to steal everything?

Explain where infrastructure will come from without taxes.
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Ryan914 5 hours ago#21
Newhopes posted...
Why do communist want to steal everything?


It's more or less power and dominion. The same BS about the Left talking about Punching up, they too don't realize that they would be under a similar system of "oppression" that they speak of under the right wing and the "Racists", "Sexists", etc.
Clutch 5 hours ago#22
hivebent4life posted...
Newhopes posted...
Why do communist want to steal everything?

Explain where infrastructure will come from without taxes.


Yeah, how does anything ever get built without taxes?
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Jimayo 5 hours ago#23
Because the wealthy own the media and use it to brainwash idiots into believing whatever the wealthy wants, and then they buy the politicians to pass laws favorable to their bottom line.
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Newhopes 5 hours ago#24
Ryan914 posted...
Newhopes posted...
Why do communist want to steal everything?


It's more or less power and dominion. The same BS about the Left talking about Punching up, they too don't realize that they would be under a similar system of "oppression" that they speak of under the right wing and the "Racists", "Sexists", etc.


They all want to live in the socialist paradise coo coo land where eveybody is the same and everything is owned by everybody......
Ellesarien 5 hours ago#25
It gives the wealthy more plunder and creates further class division.

So...Conservative principles.
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mercurydude 5 hours ago#26
Because there are a bunch of idiots in this country who are easily fooled by sleight of hand. 

"Muslims and Mexicans are to blame for everything that's s***ty in your life! ATTACK!!!" 

"ok, surely my life will be better and I will be rich after the Mexicans and Muslims are dealt with" 

"Muslims are coming to KILL YOU. The barbarians are at the gates! You'll be lucky to live to the end of the year unless we do something NOW!" 

"omg, I don't want to die! Ban the Muslims! Yes!" 

(Meanwhile, the same people screaming about how dangerous the Muslims are get to laugh their asses off because they're scheming to kill these people by taking their healthcare away.)

People are so caught up in this idiocy that they barely even pay attention to how they're being screwed over by the 1%. Plus they appeal to the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" crowd and talk to them like THEY'RE being cheated out of something any time anyone talks about giving the poor and/or middle class a fair shake. 

"If you attack success, you have less... I need to buy a tenth golden yacht... I won't be able to because Obama's going to give handouts to the welfare queens who ALREADY live better than any of us :("
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Because the rich and the stupid.
Clutch posted...
Kansas is just the new "Somalia" for low information liberal trolls.


explain why Republicans there are turning against Brownback
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Kradek 2 hours ago#29
Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.
BilalPowell posted...
Because libs keep saying it doesnt work and libs are usually wrong, it makes sense to try it.

"Liberals keep saying 2+2=4, so let's try 2+2=5!"
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PraetorXyn 2 hours ago#31
Voidgolem posted...
'cos the rich people run the country.
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OMGWTFPIE 2 hours ago#32
PraetorXyn posted...
Voidgolem posted...
'cos the rich people run the country.


This is such a toxic view to have. Try visiting a poor area in somewhere like Mexico, then compare that to a poor area in America. Hell, the nation lost their minds when Flint didn't have drinkable tap water. Mexico never has that, in fact there's arsenic in the water. They have to take pills annually to kill a common parasite. Being able to heat your water for a shower is something you need to be middle class for. 

There are rich and poor in every country, but it really angers me to have the poor in this country not see just how much better their lives are due to rich people providing a better society.
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OMGWTFPIE posted...
This is such a toxic view to have.

No, it's not. However, your anti-environmental stance is LITERALLY toxic.
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Bond_543 2 hours ago#34
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

trickle down is the "lefts" giant straw man.
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Bond_543 posted...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

trickle down is the "lefts" giant straw man.

It's not a straw man.
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OMGWTFPIE 2 hours ago#36
SPMcGuilicutty posted...
Bond_543 posted...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

trickle down is the "lefts" giant straw man.

It's not a straw man.


You're a straw man
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Sczoyd 2 hours ago#37
Everything is straw!
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OMGWTFPIE 2 hours ago#38
Sczoyd posted...
Everything is straw!


Everything is straw, man*
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OMGWTFPIE posted...
SPMcGuilicutty posted...
Bond_543 posted...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

trickle down is the "lefts" giant straw man.

It's not a straw man.


You're a straw man

Sad.
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PraetorXyn 2 hours ago#40
OMGWTFPIE posted...
PraetorXyn posted...
Voidgolem posted...
'cos the rich people run the country.


This is such a toxic view to have. Try visiting a poor area in somewhere like Mexico, then compare that to a poor area in America. Hell, the nation lost their minds when Flint didn't have drinkable tap water. Mexico never has that, in fact there's arsenic in the water. They have to take pills annually to kill a common parasite. Being able to heat your water for a shower is something you need to be middle class for. 

There are rich and poor in every country, but it really angers me to have the poor in this country not see just how much better their lives are due to rich people providing a better society.

Relative privation fallacy. Next?
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Kradek 2 hours ago#41
OMGWTFPIE posted...
SPMcGuilicutty posted...
Bond_543 posted...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

trickle down is the "lefts" giant straw man.

It's not a straw man.


You're a straw man


No, you're a towel.
hivebent4life posted...
It literally never works, and just makes things worse for the poor and middle class while unjustly enriching the rich even more.


It's the right's version of communism.

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giled_tolgra 2 hours ago#43
Americans seem to worship Donal Reagan for some reason.

The Soviet Union pretty much collapsed on its own and yet people insist him wasting money on dumb projects is what made the Soviet Union die lol.
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Because Republican and swing voters have an extremely short term memory and can't remember that it was tried and failed before, and the politicians pushing it know it doesn't work and only want to get more money for themselves and their friends.
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Brandalia 1 hour ago#45
Kradek posted...
Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.

There's no such thing as trickle down economics. And the fact that you typed the above is proof it's made up, as you'll never see the above taught or advocated for by any serious economist on the right.
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Kradek 1 hour ago#46
Brandalia posted...
Kradek posted...
Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.

There's no such thing as trickle down economics. And the fact that you typed the above is proof it's made up, as you'll never see the above taught or advocated for by any serious economist on the right.


It's literally Reaganomics. GHW Bush was the one who coined the term voodoo economics, it's not some liberal conspiracy/talking point.
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Cyrus 23 1 hour ago#48
hivebent4life posted...
It literally never works, and just makes things worse for the poor and middle class while unjustly enriching the rich even more.


This could be said about the results of every economic policy ever.
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Mr Sandbag 1 hour ago#49
hivebent4life posted...
It literally never works, and just makes things worse for the poor and middle class while unjustly enriching the rich even more.


WTF are you blabbering on about? Trickle down economics doesn't exist except in your head and other liberals who were brainwashed and tricked into believing it from democrats strawmaning int he 1980s. 

It's very sad that you got tricked into believing their lie. Very un-American!
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Mr Sandbag 1 hour ago#50
Kradek posted...
Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.


This is dangerously false and misleading. Seek professional help. I'm serious.
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    Sczoyd 1 hour ago#51
    So what was the purpose of cutting taxes on the wealthy then...?
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    Mr Sandbag 1 hour ago#52
    Kradek posted...
    Brandalia posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

    To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

    It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.

    There's no such thing as trickle down economics. And the fact that you typed the above is proof it's made up, as you'll never see the above taught or advocated for by any serious economist on the right.


    It's literally Reaganomics. GHW Bush was the one who coined the term voodoo economics, it's not some liberal conspiracy/talking point.


    No... It was liberals saying he did as a strawman, you cuckold. You were lied to. You believed it. You got scammed. Now shut the f*** and check your privilege.
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    Mr Sandbag 1 hour ago#53
    Sczoyd posted...
    So what was the purpose of cutting taxes on the wealthy then...?


    Um... because it's their money they earned and it's good to let people keep more of what they earned because it's freedom, you know... kind of what our country was founded on? 

    Your public school education failed you. Your parents should ask for their tax money back.
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    hivebent4life 1 hour ago#54
    Mr Sandbag posted...
    Sczoyd posted...
    So what was the purpose of cutting taxes on the wealthy then...?


    Um... because it's their money they earned and it's good to let people keep more of what they earned because it's freedom, you know... kind of what our country was founded on? 

    Your public school education failed you. Your parents should ask for their tax money back.

    You must have a very loose definition of 'earned'
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    Sczoyd 1 hour ago#55
    Mr Sandbag posted...
    Sczoyd posted...
    So what was the purpose of cutting taxes on the wealthy then...?


    Um... because it's their money they earned and it's good to let people keep more of what they earned because it's freedom, you know... kind of what our country was founded on? 

    Your public school education failed you. Your parents should ask for their tax money back.


    So you're admitting it doesn't actually do anyone good (except for those wealthy people), but you advocate it "because freedom"
    And you accuse me of being dumb... 

    If your ideology is about s***ting on the poor because it's freedom, you can keep it.
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    SSMajinVegeta2 posted...
    If you tax a rich person 90% they are no longer rich lol

    Do you even understand how it works?

    Obviously not. 

    Also 10% of a billion is 10 million.

    It's 90% in excess of a certain amount
    PraetorXyn 1 hour ago#58
    SSMajinVegeta2 posted...
    If you tax a rich person 90% they are no longer rich lol

    Past a certain point they are. Around 8 people own as much wealth as the poorest 3.6 Billion or something like that. Those would be the most extreme examples.
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    Mr Sandbag posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

    To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

    It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.


    This is dangerously false and misleading. Seek professional help. I'm serious.

    Brandalia posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Wow, make a thread about trickle down and apparently all the trolls come running.

    To those who don't know, trickle down economics, or voodoo economics per H.W. Bush, Is the idea that Reagan implemented where if you give the rich as money as you possibly can, it'll encourage them to spread the wealth by doing stuff with the money. Such as them buying yachts trickles down to yacht makers/employees.

    It's not true though. The American wealthy elite are known for hoarding what they already have, just giving them even more just means they're going to hoard even more so their net worth goes up.

    There's no such thing as trickle down economics. And the fact that you typed the above is proof it's made up, as you'll never see the above taught or advocated for by any serious economist on the right.



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    nurnberg 1 hour ago#60
    hivebent4life posted...
    It literally never works, and just makes things worse for the poor and middle class while unjustly enriching the rich even more.


    I think you just answered your own question... To make the rich richer.
    Orca 1 hour ago#61
    It's a word Republicans heard said back in the 1980s by an economist, ergo they think it's accepted economic theory.

    There's a reason David Stockman renounced it after forcing it on the American people.
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    Mr Sandbag 53 minutes ago#62
    Sczoyd posted...
    So you're admitting it doesn't actually do anyone good (except for those wealthy people), but you advocate it "because freedom"
    And you accuse me of being dumb...


    No I am admitting it doesn't exist. Try to keep up.
    Sczoyd posted...
    If your ideology is about s***ting on the poor because it's freedom, you can keep it.


    How is letting people keep more of the money they earned s***ting on the poor? You are delusional. Get some professional help. I'm serious.

    hivebent4life posted...

    You must have a very loose definition of 'earned'


    Same as above. Get help. You're not living in reality.
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    Orca 49 minutes ago#63
    People don't "earn" money in any modern economic system.
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    Endgame 14 minutes ago#64
    Because America is dumb enough to keep electing Republicans.

    while unjustly enriching the rich even more.

    It doesn't even accomplish that since it weakens the economy and devalues the dollar.

    It's like they don't even understand the basic fundamentals of capitalism.
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    Clutch 13 minutes ago#65
    Orca posted...
    People don't "earn" money in any modern economic system.


    Lol
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    Clutch 12 minutes ago#66
    Endgame posted...
    Because America is dumb enough to keep electing Republicans.

    while unjustly enriching the rich even more.

    It doesn't even accomplish that since it weakens the economy and devalues the dollar.

    It's like they don't even understand the basic fundamentals of capitalism.



    Oh for f***s sake. . .
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