So far I can think of a few instances... Bolson, the cross-dressing Hylian, interspecies Finley & that dude...
what do you all think of it?
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
*cough* *cough* Bioware
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konokonohamaru posted...
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
I think that about sums it up.
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konokonohamaru posted...
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
why is that the better way to handle it
Welcome to the world of idiots.
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DiogenesKC posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
why is that the better way to handle it
Feels more tasteful than "HEY, WE PUT A GAY CHARACTER IN THE GAME SO YOU CAN'T SAY WE UNDERREPRESENT THE LGBT COMMUNITY!!!"-style checkbox-ticking.
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DiogenesKC posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
why is that the better way to handle it
to me it feels more natural and less forced In real life people have various behaviors that might be correlated with their sexual preferences, but most don't go around announcing their preferences for no reason... so in real life, you just note their behavior, form an inference, but don't really make an issue of it and just interact with them normally
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I'm pretty sure the Japanese don't care about our petty tumblr social justice grievances as much as we do. All the game does is offer the players one female-esque disguise to slip in a town of Amazonians (which doesn't even fool half them anyway) , and people want to make it about lbgt and say the entire game is insulting to their cause they superficially want to pin blame on. Rather than make it about lbgt, the more likely explanation is to the story, Link needs to get into a city of people from a race that has always been predominantly female and anti-male. I mean that was the plot in ocarina of time, all men sneaking in the area get locked up. In majora you wore a gerudo mask to pose as them. Of course Link wouldn't be allowed in some way. In every game, gerudo have a conflict with men and Link has had to sneak, infiltrate, and disguise to deal with them By bringing LGBT into it, you're trying to complain about a problem that isn't there. Link using a disguise to sneak into an Amazonian society isn't about gay or transgendered people, it's about infiltration. Why people need to look beyond that and see things that aren't there is beyond me
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I'll never understand the need for certain societies to celebrate a biological defect. You don't have to chastise it either, but to outwardly celebrate it and try to normalize it? Eh.
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People complain when it's too subtle as well, even though it's better than the alternative like you said. I remember someone on Gamefaqs saying they wanted a gay character where it was both explicitly mentioned and accepted by other characters.
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Darth_Kamcio posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
it seems handled better than in a lot of other games, in that a lot of it is just implied and left unsaid...
I think that about sums it up.
Yeah, pretty much. The characters come across as unique characters, rather than political creations made to fill a "Muh Diversity" quota.
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i think it doesn't matter
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Flash2Beasley posted...
I'll never understand the need for certain societies to celebrate a biological defect. You don't have to chastise it either, but to outwardly celebrate it and try to normalize it? Eh.
People will take any chance they get to force an agenda.
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This game does not actually have LGBT representation in any meaningful sense so IDK? I like Bolson, but throwing in a bunch of stereotypes as just kind of a joke doesn't really send any kind of message. Vilia doesn't represent trans people in any realistic capacity (what trans woman doesn't shave their face?) so I have no idea what he/she is supposed to be other than just a transvestite who flirts with Link either as a roleplaying thing or because he's gay/bi. Bioware generally does pretty well-written gay and bi characters in their games (IDK about the newest Mass Effect, but historically they've been pretty good) so using them as a negative example just because their LGBT characters actually mention their sexuality (in a game where you can literally romance them) kinda suggests that you believe gay characters shouldn't actually exist. The fact that you can't have a character mention his husband or boyfriend or whatever without it being "pandering", while literally several dozen characters explicitly mention their preference for the opposite sex, is really f***ed up, but of course people will just continue to whine that gay people are "over-represented" in games and any attempt to actually depict one is just "forcing" it in. I had to deal with being unable to talk about my sexuality (such as relationships, preferences, etc.) in any capacity while at work every week of my life, for years going on, because I'm quite aware of the fact that my boss was somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic based on how he talks about these groups on a regular basis. I had to just nod along while my co-workers talked about how hot various women were and mocked me for being too shy to get a girl while I was in my fifth year of my relationship with another man. Depending on where you live and work, you can seriously have to pick and choose who you talk to openly. So forgive me if I get just a little bit pissy when people suggest that games shouldn't go so far as to actually explicitly acknowledge that some characters are gay.
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All Bolson does is make sexual noises. It's offensive.
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I doubt legit LGBT representation is in the their mind when they created these characters. It really is more of an American (or western in general) issue.
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Flash2Beasley posted...
I'll never understand the need for certain societies to celebrate a biological defect. You don't have to chastise it either, but to outwardly celebrate it and try to normalize it? Eh.
"Defect"? Life isn't a doll factory. People are allowed to like themselves, celebrate themselves, and feel normal no matter how they come off the assembly line.
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the_rowan posted...
This game does not actually have LGBT representation in any meaningful sense so IDK? I like Bolson, but throwing in a bunch of stereotypes as just kind of a joke doesn't really send any kind of message. Vilia doesn't represent trans people in any realistic capacity (what trans woman doesn't shave their face?) so I have no idea what he/she is supposed to be other than just a transvestite who flirts with Link either as a roleplaying thing or because he's gay/bi.
Bioware generally does pretty well-written gay and bi characters in their games (IDK about the newest Mass Effect, but historically they've been pretty good) so using them as a negative example just because their LGBT characters actually mention their sexuality (in a game where you can literally romance them) kinda suggests that you believe gay characters shouldn't actually exist.
The fact that you can't have a character mention his husband or boyfriend or whatever without it being "pandering", while literally several dozen characters explicitly mention their preference for the opposite sex, is really f***ed up, but of course people will just continue to whine that gay people are "over-represented" in games and any attempt to actually depict one is just "forcing" it in.
I had to deal with being unable to talk about my sexuality (such as relationships, preferences, etc.) in any capacity while at work every week of my life, for years going on, because I'm quite aware of the fact that my boss was somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic based on how he talks about these groups on a regular basis. I had to just nod along while my co-workers talked about how hot various women were and mocked me for being too shy to get a girl while I was in my fifth year of my relationship with another man. Depending on where you live and work, you can seriously have to pick and choose who you talk to openly.
So forgive me if I get just a little bit pissy when people suggest that games shouldn't go so far as to actually explicitly acknowledge that some characters are gay.
Some folks aren't happy unless the gay characters are well hidden or rendered solely as tokens just out of the way. Put in a gay character that's obvious, no matter how well written? "SJW PANDERING!" Put in a gay character real subtle like? "Stop reading gay stuff into it! It's not canon!" Creators are better off not bending over backwards trying to please those who would have them walk on eggshells and simply focus on writing characters as people(who are sometimes gay) instead.
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AshkeAngel posted...
the_rowan posted...
This game does not actually have LGBT representation in any meaningful sense so IDK? I like Bolson, but throwing in a bunch of stereotypes as just kind of a joke doesn't really send any kind of message. Vilia doesn't represent trans people in any realistic capacity (what trans woman doesn't shave their face?) so I have no idea what he/she is supposed to be other than just a transvestite who flirts with Link either as a roleplaying thing or because he's gay/bi.
Bioware generally does pretty well-written gay and bi characters in their games (IDK about the newest Mass Effect, but historically they've been pretty good) so using them as a negative example just because their LGBT characters actually mention their sexuality (in a game where you can literally romance them) kinda suggests that you believe gay characters shouldn't actually exist.
The fact that you can't have a character mention his husband or boyfriend or whatever without it being "pandering", while literally several dozen characters explicitly mention their preference for the opposite sex, is really f***ed up, but of course people will just continue to whine that gay people are "over-represented" in games and any attempt to actually depict one is just "forcing" it in.
I had to deal with being unable to talk about my sexuality (such as relationships, preferences, etc.) in any capacity while at work every week of my life, for years going on, because I'm quite aware of the fact that my boss was somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic based on how he talks about these groups on a regular basis. I had to just nod along while my co-workers talked about how hot various women were and mocked me for being too shy to get a girl while I was in my fifth year of my relationship with another man. Depending on where you live and work, you can seriously have to pick and choose who you talk to openly.
So forgive me if I get just a little bit pissy when people suggest that games shouldn't go so far as to actually explicitly acknowledge that some characters are gay.
Some folks aren't happy unless the gay characters are well hidden or rendered solely as tokens just out of the way.
Put in a gay character that's obvious, no matter how well written? "SJW PANDERING!"
Put in a gay character real subtle like? "Stop reading gay stuff into it! It's not canon!"
Creators are better off not bending over backwards trying to please those who would have them walk on eggshells and simply focus on writing characters as people(who are sometimes gay) instead.
Well why don't we put in other characters with mental disorders, like depression or social anxiety. I want to be represented too.
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I wouldn't say anything in this game is pandering or even relating to the LGBT people at all! it looks like normal quirky Japanese writing to me? There is always that super flamboyant gay guy who you aren't just quite sure if he's gay?(bolson) And anyways I would like none of that to be in my games ever! Gay characters are fine! But the other stuff is just annoying!
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AshkeAngel posted...
the_rowan posted...
This game does not actually have LGBT representation in any meaningful sense so IDK? I like Bolson, but throwing in a bunch of stereotypes as just kind of a joke doesn't really send any kind of message. Vilia doesn't represent trans people in any realistic capacity (what trans woman doesn't shave their face?) so I have no idea what he/she is supposed to be other than just a transvestite who flirts with Link either as a roleplaying thing or because he's gay/bi.
Bioware generally does pretty well-written gay and bi characters in their games (IDK about the newest Mass Effect, but historically they've been pretty good) so using them as a negative example just because their LGBT characters actually mention their sexuality (in a game where you can literally romance them) kinda suggests that you believe gay characters shouldn't actually exist.
The fact that you can't have a character mention his husband or boyfriend or whatever without it being "pandering", while literally several dozen characters explicitly mention their preference for the opposite sex, is really f***ed up, but of course people will just continue to whine that gay people are "over-represented" in games and any attempt to actually depict one is just "forcing" it in.
I had to deal with being unable to talk about my sexuality (such as relationships, preferences, etc.) in any capacity while at work every week of my life, for years going on, because I'm quite aware of the fact that my boss was somewhat racist, sexist, and homophobic based on how he talks about these groups on a regular basis. I had to just nod along while my co-workers talked about how hot various women were and mocked me for being too shy to get a girl while I was in my fifth year of my relationship with another man. Depending on where you live and work, you can seriously have to pick and choose who you talk to openly.
So forgive me if I get just a little bit pissy when people suggest that games shouldn't go so far as to actually explicitly acknowledge that some characters are gay.
Some folks aren't happy unless the gay characters are well hidden or rendered solely as tokens just out of the way.
Put in a gay character that's obvious, no matter how well written? "SJW PANDERING!"
Put in a gay character real subtle like? "Stop reading gay stuff into it! It's not canon!"
Creators are better off not bending over backwards trying to please those who would have them walk on eggshells and simply focus on writing characters as people(who are sometimes gay) instead.
Conversely, some folks aren't happy unless there are gay characters, and they have to be romanceable as well. Which is why now in Bioware games pretty much every character is main-character-sexual. I think Dragon Age Origins did it the best of any game I've played... two bi characters that didn't get pushy with it and only brought it up if you talked often with them, and it wasn't a major defining character trait of theirs, just, oh btw they are cool with the same sex. Then we hit the 2010's, and the era of SJW's and pandering, and now every sexuality has to have full representation in every game. DA 2 where literally every. single. character. was bi, just so nobody could be offended, DA:I where a character's defining trait was being trans and there were more gay party member romances than straight ones... It is what it is, but personally I prefer games that don't put such a huge emphasis on that stuff, thanks Nintendo.
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Stop trying to push an agenda on a game that doesn't give a damn about your agenda.
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I think a lot of people just need to shut the f*** up. It's a f***ing video game, set in a fantasy world. For all we know, Hyrule doesn't have the same social values or grievances as the U.S. In fact, the Hylians have bigger f***ing problems. If it was a game set in the U.S. as a realistic setting with social commentary, this debate would have a place. But it's not... it's Zelda... in f***ing Hyrule. No need to impose our reality onto that world. Sometimes we need gaming as an escape, and sometimes I'd just much rather deal with the f***ing Calamity. Goddamnit.
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Stanger5150 posted...
Hyrule doesn't have the same social values or grievances as the U.S.
Who says we in the U.S.? It's legal here. It's the rest of the countries in the world were homosexuality is still illegal.
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SythisTaru posted...
Stanger5150 posted...
Hyrule doesn't have the same social values or grievances as the U.S.
Who says we in the U.S.? It's legal here. It's the rest of the countries in the world were homosexuality is still illegal.
Right, but it's primarily the U.S. that picks up the pitchforks. Replace "U.S." with "earth" if it makes you happy. I can really only speak for the things I witness as a citizen of the U.S. The point still stands. For all we know, Hyrule probably got over inequality or never allowed it to begin with... since they always have to join together to fight larger threats. Either way, we don't need to project our social values into every f***ing work of fiction. It's ok to create things outside of the real world.
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Hyrule is egalitarian because there are both old men AND old women in caves!
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Why the f*** does anybody care about the sexual orientation of any character in this game when absolutely 0% of the game is about sex?
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Stanger5150 posted...
SythisTaru posted...
Stanger5150 posted...
Hyrule doesn't have the same social values or grievances as the U.S.
Who says we in the U.S.? It's legal here. It's the rest of the countries in the world were homosexuality is still illegal.
Right, but it's primarily the U.S. that picks up the pitchforks. Replace "U.S." with "earth" if it makes you happy. I can really only speak for the things I witness as a citizen of the U.S.
The point still stands.
For all we know, Hyrule probably got over inequality or never allowed it to begin with... since they always have to join together to fight larger threats.
Either way, we don't need to project our social values into every f***ing work of fiction. It's ok to create things outside of the real world.
We are some of the most (if not THE most) open people on the planet. The internet and news make us seem like bigots, but it's much worse in every other country I've been to.
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AshkeAngel posted...
the_rowan posted...
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Creators are better off not bending over backwards trying to please those who would have them walk on eggshells and simply focus on writing characters as people(who are sometimes gay) instead.
Assassin's Creed II and Brotherhood did a great job with a gay character--Leonardo Da Vinci. Now, we don't know for CERTAIN if he was gay in our RL history, but in the AC lore, they portray him as gay, and yet, they do not push his homosexuality in our face. Rather, he is a well-written character and core to the story, especially with AC2. So, basically, yeah, that's what you're talking about here in what I quoted. Ubisoft wrote up their vision of Leonardo Da Vinci as a character, not to be a representative of the LGBT community. And they made a great character out of him.
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Hey, Loone was about ready to drop her... whatever it is they wear under their pants in Hyrule for Roscoe.
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longnuts posted...
Why the f*** does anybody care about the sexual orientation of any character in this game when absolutely 0% of the game is about sex?
Absolutely! Half of Hyrule could be gay, trans, or bi for all we know... they just don't mention it in conversation. Why would they? Sexuality and gender identity do not define the person. I feel uncomfortable when people randomly tell me their sexuality when they're not trying to have sex with me... seriously, why do people insist on labeling themselves as if that defines who they are? I don't go out of my way to tell people if I'm heterosexual, and if some random person asked me, I'd tell them it's none of their goddamn business. Are you married to me? Are you trying to sleep with me? Why the f*** are you asking then?
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Most of the time, minority reps in video games are either: 1. the butt of a banal joke, like in BotW. This happens more often in video games and tbh, I find it to be a hell of a lot more annoying, mostly because it gets really old really fast. 2. way too overt, to the point where their minority status is practically the only trait of the character that gets much focus, resulting in the character being rather one-note. It often feels like they're trying to compensate for the plague of comedic portrayals rather than focusing on making a well-rounded and interesting character. Bioware has examples of characters that suffer from this, but it's managed to avoid it several times, too.
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SythisTaru posted...
Well why don't we put in other characters with mental disorders, like depression or social anxiety. I want to be represented too.
What about Paya, or that dude at the heart pond, or Beedle, or Kilton?
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UlNin posted...
SythisTaru posted...
Well why don't we put in other characters with mental disorders, like depression or social anxiety. I want to be represented too.
What about Paya, or that dude at the heart pond, or Beedle, or Kilton?
As someone who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder ten years ago, I don't look for representation. In fact, gaming is my escape from it and is actually an important part of my treatment plan. Kilton is f***ed though...
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Kilton is the best, because he realizes that Link is, in-fact, the real monster in all of this.
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Mofuji posted...
Kilton is the best, because he realizes that Link is, in-fact, the real monster in all of this.
He's certainly one of Nintendo's most interesting creations, along with Birdo.
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isn't Kilton the fat guy who sells worthless stuff?
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Who gives a s*** it's a game
Fat in all the right places;)
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The real question: Does it really matter? It's a video game, not some grand narrative on modern social issues.
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Gunz77 posted...
The real question: Does it really matter? It's a video game, not some grand narrative on modern social issues.
Exactly, live and let live braj's and brajettes's
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SythisTaru posted...
isn't Kilton the fat guy who sells worthless stuff?
Kilton is the guy in the balloon who sells the Dark Link armor and invented his own currency cuz he f***ing can.
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konokonohamaru posted...
what do you think of LGBT representation in Zelda BotW?
I don't. Sexual orientation really isn't relevant in this game...so why turn it into a topic of discussion?
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I think it's unnecessary and I laugh at people who are concerned about such trivial things.
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Stanger5150 posted...
I feel uncomfortable when people randomly tell me their sexuality when they're not trying to have sex with me... seriously, why do people insist on labeling themselves as if that defines who they are? I don't go out of my way to tell people if I'm heterosexual, and if some random person asked me, I'd tell them it's none of their goddamn business. Are you married to me? Are you trying to sleep with me? Why the f*** are you asking then?
Bulls***. Complete and utter bulls***. There are easily at least thirty characters in this game, probably more, that explicitly mention their sexuality to you. You are just a homophobe. It is completely and totally natural to talk about one's family, and guess what, gay couples are families too. Plenty of people in this game randomly talk about girls or guys they have crushes on, but you don't care because they're straight. You are a hypocrite and a liar.
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Flash2Beasley posted...
I'll never understand the need for certain societies to celebrate a biological defect. You don't have to chastise it either, but to outwardly celebrate it and try to normalize it? Eh.
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if you think mods will ban for that you're out of your mind worst that happens is they lose 3 karma and post is deleted but more than likely nothing will happen at all
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Bolson isn't gay. He's straight. But flamboyant. Sidon however isn't fooling anyone.
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I think it doesn't matter, and I don't care. longnuts posted...
Why the f*** does anybody care about the sexual orientation of any character in this game when absolutely 0% of the game is about sex?
Also I think it's sad that 90% of the fanart of Kass is gay even though he has a canon wife and children.
I'm sick of off topic threads and abusive mods.
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Gargomon251 posted...
I think it doesn't matter, and I don't care.
longnuts posted...
Why the f*** does anybody care about the sexual orientation of any character in this game when absolutely 0% of the game is about sex?
Also I think it's sad that 90% of the fanart of Kass is gay even though he has a canon wife and children.
Holy s*** you're on no fun allowed mode 24/7
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the_rowan posted...
Stanger5150 posted...
I feel uncomfortable when people randomly tell me their sexuality when they're not trying to have sex with me... seriously, why do people insist on labeling themselves as if that defines who they are? I don't go out of my way to tell people if I'm heterosexual, and if some random person asked me, I'd tell them it's none of their goddamn business. Are you married to me? Are you trying to sleep with me? Why the f*** are you asking then?
Bulls***. Complete and utter bulls***. There are easily at least thirty characters in this game, probably more, that explicitly mention their sexuality to you. You are just a homophobe. It is completely and totally natural to talk about one's family, and guess what, gay couples are families too. Plenty of people in this game randomly talk about girls or guys they have crushes on, but you don't care because they're straight. You are a hypocrite and a liar.
I actually am, and always have been a stern advocate for gay rights. I guess I missed those references though. I would've missed it if a gay character talked about her wife too. It's the same thing to me.
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Gargomon251 posted...
Also I think it's sad that 90% of the fanart of Kass is gay even though he has a canon wife and children.
You do realize the whole reason for this is that there are a f***ton of gay artists and fans who are head over heels for Kass, right? People are buying YCHs with him on one hand, and drawing him because they think he's dreamy on the other. I don't see why him being straight is relevant. Don't suppose you were complaining the last 20 years that roughly 75% of fanart of Fox McCloud is gay?
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