May 24, 2017

2D Zelda games are severely overrated

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DandeeLeone 6 hours ago#1
In my opinion, 2D Zelda games are slow, boring, and simply uninteresting. 3D Zelda is engaging, fluid, and makes movements and combat just so much more fun.

Yet the internet hates 3D Zelda and will forever suck up Link to the Past. 

I'll say it. Link to the Past is boring. I just can't stand the limited movement, the unengaging combat (press A to swipe whoooo so much fun), the archaic dungeon design, the ugly character design, and so much more. 

Are all you Link to the Past, 2D Master Race fans in your 30s? Because for most of us young adults, A Link to the Past, and 2D Zelda in general, is past our time. And guess what, the world evolves, and 3D Zelda is more relevant than 2D Zelda. I mean, c'mon, realistically, I don't think any of you here, unless you are crazy, were more hyped for A Link Between Worlds (snore) than Breath of the Wild. 


3D Zelda games are much better than any of the 2D games. The worst 3D Zelda game, SS, is still a thousand times better than A Link to the Past to play. Anyone agree?
TheLodestar27 6 hours ago#2
I'm a young person. My Zelda game story began in 2013 with MM3D and ALBW. Maybe it was because of my preferences with top-down games like Pokèmon, but I immediately started playing ALBW and barely put it down before I got 100%. I love 3D Zeldas as much as the next guy, but 2D games like ALBW and Minish Cap are better than what I think are the worst two 3D Zeldas (SS and TP are great games, but slightly worse than those two.)
Katellox 5 hours ago#3
i just dislike the toon link games except wind waker, but i f***ing hate temple of the ocean king in ph, and spirit tracks and minish cap don't interest me whatsoever (same with four swords), albw didn't sit right with me either but it wasn't bad

lttp is great and skyward is god awful

link's awakening and the oracles are phenomenal
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Izzythewinner 5 hours ago#4
DandeeLeone posted...
In my opinion, 2D Zelda games are slow, boring, and simply uninteresting. 3D Zelda is engaging, fluid, and makes movements and combat just so much more fun.

Yet the internet hates 3D Zelda and will forever suck up Link to the Past. 

I'll say it. Link to the Past is boring. I just can't stand the limited movement, the unengaging combat (press A to swipe whoooo so much fun), the archaic dungeon design, the ugly character design, and so much more. 

Are all you Link to the Past, 2D Master Race fans in your 30s? Because for most of us young adults, A Link to the Past, and 2D Zelda in general, is past our time. And guess what, the world evolves, and 3D Zelda is more relevant than 2D Zelda. I mean, c'mon, realistically, I don't think any of you here, unless you are crazy, were more hyped for A Link Between Worlds (snore) than Breath of the Wild. 


3D Zelda games are much better than any of the 2D games. The worst 3D Zelda game, SS, is still a thousand times better than A Link to the Past to play. Anyone agree?

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you're not. i don't like the 2D ones at all.
Thrasher7170 5 hours ago#6
Let's see. TP and BotW top my list, followed by MM and ALttP at number two. WW and SS tie for third, and then MC, LA, OoS, and the original bring up the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh slots. OoT ranks as number whatever the last one is. So, no, the internet doesn't, as a whole, hate 3D zeldas, considering I've got five of the six in my top three/five. I just recognize that ALttP is one of the best games on the series (and no, that isn't nostalgia talking, since I didn't play it until I'd already played Zelda 1, 2, OoT, WW, TP, and MC).
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Gaawa_chan 5 hours ago#7
In my opinion, 2D Zelda games are slow, boring, and simply uninteresting.
2D Zelda games are much faster-paced than 3D Zelda games, so I don't really know what you're talking about there. The other two are just cases of YMMV; I'd be willing to be that a lot of people find WW, TP, SS, and/or BotW to be far more "boring" at the very least due to poor pacing if nothing else.

Yet the internet hates 3D Zelda
No.

and will forever suck up Link to the Past.
ALttP is the only 2D Zelda that has a following even remotely on par with most of the 3D games, and it usually ends up losing to them anyway. ALttP does well on one poll on one website and you lose your s*** over it. Might I suggest therapy?

(press A to swipe whoooo so much fun)
Sounds just like the 3D Zeldas to me, especially WW.

the archaic dungeon design
I could write over an hour about how this is stupid but I'd rather not.

the ugly character design
What, just like every single 3D Zelda game? Most Zelda characters look like abominations, period.

Are all you Link to the Past, 2D Master Race fans in your 30s? Because for most of us young adults, A Link to the Past, and 2D Zelda in general, is past our time.
I know plenty of kids who love the 2D Zeldas.

were more hyped for A Link Between Worlds than Breath of the Wild.
Well, I did buy a system for ALBW, and didn't even bother to get a physical copy of BotW. *shrug*


3D Zelda games are much better than any of the 2D games. The worst 3D Zelda game, SS, is still a thousand times better than A Link to the Past to play. Anyone agree?
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stop3 5 hours ago#8
2d zelda games are probably underrated.
A little bit. They have some unappreciated aspects, like the overworld, but the combat is incredibly tedious and the first four titles in particular don't have much going for them.
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snorism 5 hours ago#10
I think that 3D zeldas are overrated tbh, people (aside from this board) call OoT the best Zelda game ever made, its a good game don't get me wrong but there are better 2D and even better 3D Zelda's imo. And if it isn't OoT that they praise highly its WW and MM, which is ironic as all hell since those two games were very hated initially. I think the 2D games are rated just right tbh.
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sai_kanzen 4 hours ago#11
Katellox posted...
i just dislike the toon link games except wind waker, but i f***ing hate temple of the ocean king in ph, and spirit tracks and minish cap don't interest me whatsoever (same with four swords), albw didn't sit right with me either but it wasn't bad

lttp is great and skyward is god awful

link's awakening and the oracles are phenomenal


Link's Awakening and the Oracle games are my overall favorites. You have good taste. 

In my opinion, 2D Zelda games were built better. Each screen was made one by one, with enough detail to make sure they didn't feel repetitive. The world never felt like it stretched for too long with nothing in between, even if it was just some grass to cut for rupees or hearts. Plus, they seemed to get away with a bit more silliness by virtue of being more cartoon-ish in style.

But I seriously don't think the 2D games are overrated. Aside from ALttP, they're barely talked about much at all. And besides, the poll is about personal favorites. It's quite possible to prefer the 3D games but have a 2D one as your favorite. It just means you have different reasons for enjoying it.
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Beers 4 hours ago#12
Katellox posted...
i just dislike the toon link games except wind waker, but i f***ing hate temple of the ocean king in ph, and spirit tracks and minish cap don't interest me whatsoever (same with four swords), albw didn't sit right with me either but it wasn't bad

lttp is great and skyward is god awful

link's awakening and the oracles are phenomenal

Minish Cap is great though. Have you even played it?
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ecylis 3 hours ago#13
The 2D games are fantastic

so are most of the 3D games

Zelda is a good series
guesswho33 3 hours ago#14
Other than the first 2 Zelda games, all 2d ones after that are boring now.
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Wiseius 3 hours ago#15
One of my childhood memories is when my father brought the SNES and ALttP to my grandparents' house to show our relatives how the game ended. Imagine your only knowledge of video games being Tetris or Mario jumping on goombas, and then ALttP's music/imagery comes along.

Yeah, one could argue that the 2D games' graphics/gameplay don't hold up to the standards introduced in 3D Zelda entries, and MM is actually my all-time favorite. But back during its release, ALttP introduced a lot of people to storytelling elements unique to video games. For this, I don't think ALttP's praise is overrated.
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Anclation 3 hours ago#16
They're definitely overrated, especially A Link to the Past. The Nostalgia Filter is to blame.
Yeah... Sorry.
GameCrown 3 hours ago#17
2d Zelda isn't overrated but I think alttp is overrated. Much prefer Zelda l, minish cap, and a link between worlds.
star_ark 3 hours ago#18
that's like calling the early beatles songs overrated
bipots2 3 hours ago#19
i enjoy both types immensely. there is nothing dull or boring about any zelda game that I can think of. But I could see how younger people who did not grow up with 2D games could be off put by them.
Thrasher7170 3 hours ago#20
bipots2 posted...
i enjoy both types immensely. there is nothing dull or boring about any zelda game that I can think of. But I could see how younger people who did not grow up with 2D games could be off put by them.

It's not even a younger thing. There's been a consistent release of one or two 2D games in between each 3D release since MM. ALBW is cited to be many people's favorite Zelda. It's just some people being put off because they can't look up in game.
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xSaint_Bootx 3 hours ago#21
Izzythewinner posted...
no

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GfaqCodebreak 3 hours ago#22
Thrasher7170 posted...
Let's see. TP and BotW top my list, followed by MM and ALttP at number two. WW and SS tie for third, and then MC, LA, OoS, and the original bring up the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh slots. OoT ranks as number whatever the last one is. So, no, the internet doesn't, as a whole, hate 3D zeldas, considering I've got five of the six in my top three/five. I just recognize that ALttP is one of the best games on the series (and no, that isn't nostalgia talking, since I didn't play it until I'd already played Zelda 1, 2, OoT, WW, TP, and MC).


how do u like MM and not oot? I know I talked with you about OoT, but I didn't remember u saying MM was good? it's a spin off right?
GfaqCodebreak 3 hours ago#23
DandeeLeone posted...
In my opinion, 2D Zelda games are slow, boring, and simply uninteresting. 3D Zelda is engaging, fluid, and makes movements and combat just so much more fun.

Yet the internet hates 3D Zelda and will forever suck up Link to the Past. 

I'll say it. Link to the Past is boring. I just can't stand the limited movement, the unengaging combat (press A to swipe whoooo so much fun), the archaic dungeon design, the ugly character design, and so much more. 

Are all you Link to the Past, 2D Master Race fans in your 30s? Because for most of us young adults, A Link to the Past, and 2D Zelda in general, is past our time. And guess what, the world evolves, and 3D Zelda is more relevant than 2D Zelda. I mean, c'mon, realistically, I don't think any of you here, unless you are crazy, were more hyped for A Link Between Worlds (snore) than Breath of the Wild. 


3D Zelda games are much better than any of the 2D games. The worst 3D Zelda game, SS, is still a thousand times better than A Link to the Past to play. Anyone agree?



lttp is a classic. but honestly, I can't say another 2-d Zelda is as good as LTTP, which is why a rarity kind of. but I heard good things about minish cap oracles etc.
Godstriker8 3 hours ago#24
Terrible opinion. 3D combat is far slower and more boring until SS. And I was born after alttp was released.
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Thrasher7170 3 hours ago#25
GfaqCodebreak posted...
Thrasher7170 posted...
Let's see. TP and BotW top my list, followed by MM and ALttP at number two. WW and SS tie for third, and then MC, LA, OoS, and the original bring up the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh slots. OoT ranks as number whatever the last one is. So, no, the internet doesn't, as a whole, hate 3D zeldas, considering I've got five of the six in my top three/five. I just recognize that ALttP is one of the best games on the series (and no, that isn't nostalgia talking, since I didn't play it until I'd already played Zelda 1, 2, OoT, WW, TP, and MC).


how do u like MM and not oot? I know I talked with you about OoT, but I didn't remember u saying MM was good? it's a spin off right?

MM is most certainly not a spinoff. It's main series. I enjoy the story, the side quests, the world, and the characters, though the controls are just as unbearable. The dungeons and music are also better in MM, though the music not by much since it's still really repetitive.
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darkjeremie 2 hours ago#26
No but to be completely accurate, the entire series is overrated. There's a lot of good games in the series but it's nowhere near as incredible as the fanbase says.

It's also not possible to say 2D or 3D is better because they both bring very different style of gameplay and thus may appeal to players in different ways. Furthermore, TC has no understanding of how things works in the slightest. Just because a game is old doesn't mean anything. A game can stand the test of time and there's a reason why LttP is still considered a classic just as titles like Super Metroid, Super Mario World and other great titles are brought up often.

They're good game and they're superior to many games of our era. It's not necessarily nostalgia (even if in some case it was, Gamefaqs is just as bad in that regard with OoT) but the fact that, y'know, people likes playing games that are good and going back to those old but great titles is a fun and perfectly logical thing to do.

Welcome to the real world TC. people have different tastes and new by itself doesn't mean better.
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SkyCrackers 2 hours ago#27
ALttP is the only overrated 2D Zelda.
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Katellox 2 hours ago#28
Beers posted...
Katellox posted...
i just dislike the toon link games except wind waker, but i f***ing hate temple of the ocean king in ph, and spirit tracks and minish cap don't interest me whatsoever (same with four swords), albw didn't sit right with me either but it wasn't bad

lttp is great and skyward is god awful

link's awakening and the oracles are phenomenal

Minish Cap is great though. Have you even played it?


Yes? I just don't like it. I wish I did. I prefer LA and the Oracles in every way. I don't think MC is great, that's all.
rexcrk 2 hours ago#29
I don't have much experience with 2D Zelda games so I can't really add much to the discussion lol but I would like to say that when I attempted LttP a couple years ago I kept getting my ass kicked by Mothula and for the life of me couldn't beat it. 

So that kind of soured me on 2D Zeldas lol.
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Izzythewinner posted...

no

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WhyitEarp 2 hours ago#31
stop3 posted...
2d zelda games are probably underrated.

They are, 2D Zelda will always be the best and a Link to the Past is the greatest video game of all time
Seacliff217 2 hours ago#32
DandeeLeone posted...
the unengaging combat (press A to swipe whoooo so much fun)

Almost as fun standing still with your shield up and waiting for the enemy to expose their weak points.

Oh wait, I forgot that I can't criticize OOT.
GeneralFox 2 hours ago#33
Why people get so worked up over other peoples opinions is beyond me. To the point they're trying to attack them or make them feel like they opinion doesn't count for whatever reason.

I think Arnold sums up what I think about it:

Mox94 2 hours ago#34
I would say mostly no. Almost every 2d Zelda has been good and so 3d Zeldas overall.

What I don't understand tho is the love for a link between worlds. I swear I'm trying to like it but every other 2d Zelda and seems much better yet everybody loves it like the second coming of Jesus . the only thing going for it was the wall melding. Also it may be just me but the way it handled nonlinearity was weak compared to alttp and botw where some areas feel clearly harder than others.
shinyspheal 2 hours ago#35
Ok.
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Cubis101 2 hours ago#36
I'll just say it. 3D Zelda games are severely overrated (Am I the only one?)

There I fixed it for you TC
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swagtile 2 hours ago#37
OOT is the most overrated game to ever exist. This is coming from a die hard Zelda fan who has bought a brand new system on four seperate occasions just to play a new Zelda game (Gameboy, 3DS, Nintendo 64, and Switch). 

I'll never understand these Zelda "fans". You praise OOT as God's gift, yet take a crap on LTTP which serves as the crucial point in the series that set the standard for all games that followed save for BOTW. LTTP has aged extremely well. OOT has not. 

And I'm not by any means saying OOT is bad. Just saying that a lot of you who have a boner for OOT are just as bad about "nostalgia goggles/filter" as those who praise LTTP. 

Why must there always be pissing contents instead of just saying great games are great games?

/rant
Can't agree, I absolutely love Link's Awakening, and ST, TMC, OoS/OoA, ALttP are pretty fun. Couldn't get into Zelda 1/2 or PH though.
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Mox94 1 hour ago#40
swagtile posted...
OOT is the most overrated game to ever exist. This is coming from a die hard Zelda fan who has bought a brand new system on four seperate occasions just to play a new Zelda game (Gameboy, 3DS, Nintendo 64, and Switch). 

I'll never understand these Zelda "fans". You praise OOT as God's gift, yet take a crap on LTTP which serves as the crucial point in the series that set the standard for all games that followed save for BOTW. LTTP has aged extremely well. OOT has not. 

And I'm not by any means saying OOT is bad. Just saying that a lot of you who have a boner for OOT are just as bad about "nostalgia goggles/filter" as those who praise LTTP. 

Why must there always be pissing contents instead of just saying great games are great games?

/rant

Agreed , I feel oot is definitely the weaker (not bad ) of the 3d zeldas . atleast in ss which is commonly put by others as the weaker 3d Zelda, you can have fun feeling like you actually swing a sword and messing around with it
ArkanaX 1 hour ago#41
Mox94 posted...
swagtile posted...
OOT is the most overrated game to ever exist. This is coming from a die hard Zelda fan who has bought a brand new system on four seperate occasions just to play a new Zelda game (Gameboy, 3DS, Nintendo 64, and Switch). 

I'll never understand these Zelda "fans". You praise OOT as God's gift, yet take a crap on LTTP which serves as the crucial point in the series that set the standard for all games that followed save for BOTW. LTTP has aged extremely well. OOT has not. 

And I'm not by any means saying OOT is bad. Just saying that a lot of you who have a boner for OOT are just as bad about "nostalgia goggles/filter" as those who praise LTTP. 

Why must there always be pissing contents instead of just saying great games are great games?

/rant

Agreed , I feel oot is definitely the weaker (not bad ) of the 3d zeldas . atleast in ss which is commonly put by others as the weaker 3d Zelda, you can have fun feeling like you actually swing a sword and messing around with it


Have you played 3D action games before OoT? They weren't nearly as good. Same thing with 2D adventure games. I would play LttP over most other topdown games of that time.

You can't just look at them in the current day and time, you need to compare them against what came before them.
ArkanaX posted...
Mox94 posted...
swagtile posted...
OOT is the most overrated game to ever exist. This is coming from a die hard Zelda fan who has bought a brand new system on four seperate occasions just to play a new Zelda game (Gameboy, 3DS, Nintendo 64, and Switch). 

I'll never understand these Zelda "fans". You praise OOT as God's gift, yet take a crap on LTTP which serves as the crucial point in the series that set the standard for all games that followed save for BOTW. LTTP has aged extremely well. OOT has not. 

And I'm not by any means saying OOT is bad. Just saying that a lot of you who have a boner for OOT are just as bad about "nostalgia goggles/filter" as those who praise LTTP. 

Why must there always be pissing contents instead of just saying great games are great games?

/rant

Agreed , I feel oot is definitely the weaker (not bad ) of the 3d zeldas . atleast in ss which is commonly put by others as the weaker 3d Zelda, you can have fun feeling like you actually swing a sword and messing around with it


Have you played 3D action games before OoT? They weren't nearly as good. Same thing with 2D adventure games. I would play LttP over most other topdown games of that time.

You can't just look at them in the current day and time, you need to compare them against what came before them.

If you had to be there to understand the love, then it doesn't deserve it.
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Thrasher7170 posted...
ArkanaX posted...
Mox94 posted...
swagtile posted...
OOT is the most overrated game to ever exist. This is coming from a die hard Zelda fan who has bought a brand new system on four seperate occasions just to play a new Zelda game (Gameboy, 3DS, Nintendo 64, and Switch). 

I'll never understand these Zelda "fans". You praise OOT as God's gift, yet take a crap on LTTP which serves as the crucial point in the series that set the standard for all games that followed save for BOTW. LTTP has aged extremely well. OOT has not. 

And I'm not by any means saying OOT is bad. Just saying that a lot of you who have a boner for OOT are just as bad about "nostalgia goggles/filter" as those who praise LTTP. 

Why must there always be pissing contents instead of just saying great games are great games?

/rant

Agreed , I feel oot is definitely the weaker (not bad ) of the 3d zeldas . atleast in ss which is commonly put by others as the weaker 3d Zelda, you can have fun feeling like you actually swing a sword and messing around with it


Have you played 3D action games before OoT? They weren't nearly as good. Same thing with 2D adventure games. I would play LttP over most other topdown games of that time.

You can't just look at them in the current day and time, you need to compare them against what came before them.

If you had to be there to understand the love, then it doesn't deserve it.


Exactly. Masterpieces age well.
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GarroGX 1 hour ago#44
ArkanaX posted...
You can't just look at them in the current day and time, you need to compare them against what came before them.
I think that's what commonly called as "aging" in videogames, A game ages well when, even with the newer technologies and videogames , you can still pick up the game and enjoy it. Of course, just like everything else in this thread, it's just an opinion.

Personally I could still play aLttP, WW or SS and enjoy them just like when I first played them. But I can't imagine myself playing OoT again.
slothman5 1 hour ago#45
You sound like the type of person who hates old movies because "they look old" or hates old music because "ugh they're using actual instruments! So old!" 

Maybe when you grow older you will be able to appreciate things that were before your time. Until then, your opinion sucks.
GeneralFox 1 hour ago#46
slothman5 posted...
You sound like the type of person who hates old movies because "they look old" or hates old music because "ugh they're using actual instruments! So old!" 

Maybe when you grow older you will be able to appreciate things that were before your time. Until then, your opinion sucks.


What makes matters worse is the fact that if it weren't for them, then what you enjoy now probably would be significantly different. You can't truly appreciate what we have now without what got us here now can you?
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neji721 1 hour ago#47
I can see where someone young can't enjoy these games. Games today have hints, objective markers, save points every 3 steps, and depending on someone's taste graphics. 

I for one can t stand today's pixel art except for like 20% of the games. I just long for those 8 bit and 16 bit graphics.
CraiCrushna 1 hour ago#48
Lol, you are saying that on the ultimate over paid and hyped game. Stay young forever.
frankspank 1 hour ago#49
DandeeLeone posted...


Are all you Link to the Past, 2D Master Race fans in your 30s? Because for most of us young adults, A Link to the Past, and 2D Zelda in general, is past our time. And guess what, the world evolves, and 3D Zelda is more relevant than 2D Zelda. I mean, c'mon, realistically, I don't think any of you here, unless you are crazy, were more hyped for A Link Between Worlds (snore) than Breath of the Wild. 



You pretty much defeated your own statement with this paragraph. You are a "young adult" with no concept of nostalgia for anything you weren't there for. When you are older and games have evolved beyond what they are now, the "young adults" then will be saying the same thing about the games you will look back on with fondness. Quit complaining and acting like you are so wise because I guarantee someone in fifteen years or so will have the same whiny argument you just made.

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