May 9, 2017

League Revising Rules After Trans Players Rejected From Women's CSGO Tournament

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MrTuna 1 day ago#2
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KaiRyusaki 1 day ago#4
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?
MrTuna 1 day ago#5
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win
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MrTuna posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win

What a load of bulls***....
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MrTuna 1 day ago#7
Fade2black001 posted...
MrTuna posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win

What a load of bulls***....


Prove me wrong then
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loader963 1 day ago#8
Actually have no problem with it.
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Orestes417 1 day ago#9
Why are there no dedicated furry otherkin Apache attack helicopter tournaments?
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Tyranius2 1 day ago#10
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.
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Iceylemon 1 day ago#11
Fade2black001 posted...
MrTuna posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win

What a load of bulls***....


It is not. The best females are worst than low tier male teams. If you don't believe then go to HLTV and look up some male vs female matches. Females get dominated (like 16-3). If you follow CS:GO you would know. Most tournaments are not gender restricted. The females just fail to qualify for them. If anything female tourneys are restricted. They don't allow men in and this is because the females want them this way. I actually follow the scene.
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Your organs denote your sex. Period, end of story.

I don't care who you bang, how you want to dress, whether you are dom or sub, masculine or feminine. Your organs denote your sex. Getting them lopped off doesn't change it either, you're just a male who cut his penis off (or w/e the hell happens to women who undergo it).

At some point to I get to have my own "superhero" bathroom since I'm a superhero? I mean, I don't have "super powers", but I really feel like I'm one in my head.
Death_Born 1 day ago#13
Ultimately if trans people are determined not to have a competitive advantage it should be perfectly fine to allow them to compete in the girl's tournament. 

I am leaning towards them not having any advantage. After all, it's a game that doesn't require a massive amount of physical ability. Unlike the Olympics, dudes are not going to have any real advantages going in.

Just cuz girls get demolished by guys doesn't mean that they should get special treatment, if a bunch of trans players can trounce them every time then clearly they just need to try harder. I'm not sure what physical aspects of men mean that they are naturally better than girls at video games. There are none.
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Iceylemon 1 day ago#14
Tyranius2 posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.


This is probably the biggest reason. There are no male only tournaments. Females just fail to qualify for them. There are female only tournaments because the female scene wants it that way. These trans people can join any other tourney through open qualifiers but instead they tried to go into a restricted tournament.
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This happened at some sports things too. Some MtF person wasn't allowed to compete with women, so internet feminists start a big campaign to let them play, and then the MtF person absolutely destroys all the women at a physical event, and I giggle.
Born Lucky 1 day ago#16
When a man claims to be a woman, it doesn't make him a woman.

It makes him a liar.
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Terotrous 1 day ago#17
Tyranius2 posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.

This is the reason for sure. It's a known thing that even in competitions where physical strength is not a factor, men still have a significant advantage (chess is a well-known example). What's not quite clear is exactly why this is the case. A widely-held theory is that in most cases there's simply way more males competing, so the chance of finding an exceptional player is higher and they have more and better opponents to play against (if the matches are commonly gender-segregated). Alternatively, it's possible that males may have some sort of hard or soft biological example (men and women's brains are known to process certain types of information differently, which could give men an edge, or it could be a more subtle factor like testosterone makes males more competitive and thus more of them play and stick with it longer). 

It's generally been my opinion that gender-segregated events shouldn't exist (for games of knowledge or skill rather than athletics), largely to avoid the first issue where if women spend most of their time playing against a more limited selection of opponents their skills won't develop as well. Thus we could have women who are every bit as skilled as men but they might never reach their full potential. However, if gender-segregated tournaments must exist, I definitely think trans players should be allowed to participate. For starters, they lack the advantage of having a massive pool of players to draw from, as trans people make up only a very small portion of the population, and secondly, even if a biological advantage for males did exist, it's not clear if it would apply to them (for example, if it's related to testosterone, many of them take hormone blockers that would likely prevent it from taking effect). If it was somehow determined empirically that trans people were still so dominant that allowing them to participate in a women's tournament functionally trivialized the entire event then we probably need to re-evaluate having gendered events in the first place.
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Lite_Brite 1 day ago#18
So basically tennis.
Iceylemon posted...
Tyranius2 posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.


This is probably the biggest reason. There are no male only tournaments. Females just fail to qualify for them. There are female only tournaments because the female scene wants it that way. These trans people can join any other tourney through open qualifiers but instead they tried to go into a restricted tournament.

And here I was trying not to be sexist, but facts are facts....
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MuttonBasher 23 hours ago#20
Terotrous posted...
It's a known thing that even in competitions where physical strength is not a factor, men still have a significant advantage (chess is a well-known example). What's not quite clear is exactly why this is the case.

One theory is that boys/men have a long legacy of competitive events to shape and support their behavior, while girls/women are still catching up. It's interesting to note that real-life shooting tournaments separate women and men because the women generally have an advantage. I have a relative who was on the JROTC rifle team at her high school. She met one of the Marine Corps' best shooters at the time, who was also a woman.

As for the story, I'm glad the rules will be changing to include transfolk. I just hope they don't encounter any hate in the process. I'm gender non-conforming myself and have had to deal with harassment. It makes life harder for no reason.
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clowning 23 hours ago#21
Terotrous posted...
Tyranius2 posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.

This is the reason for sure. It's a known thing that even in competitions where physical strength is not a factor, men still have a significant advantage (chess is a well-known example). What's not quite clear is exactly why this is the case. A widely-held theory is that in most cases there's simply way more males competing, so the chance of finding an exceptional player is higher and they have more and better opponents to play against (if the matches are commonly gender-segregated). Alternatively, it's possible that males may have some sort of hard or soft biological example (men and women's brains are known to process certain types of information differently, which could give men an edge, or it could be a more subtle factor like testosterone makes males more competitive and thus more of them play and stick with it longer). 

It's generally been my opinion that gender-segregated events shouldn't exist (for games of knowledge or skill rather than athletics), largely to avoid the first issue where if women spend most of their time playing against a more limited selection of opponents their skills won't develop as well. Thus we could have women who are every bit as skilled as men but they might never reach their full potential. However, if gender-segregated tournaments must exist, I definitely think trans players should be allowed to participate. For starters, they lack the advantage of having a massive pool of players to draw from, as trans people make up only a very small portion of the population, and secondly, even if a biological advantage for males did exist, it's not clear if it would apply to them (for example, if it's related to testosterone, many of them take hormone blockers that would likely prevent it from taking effect). If it was somehow determined empirically that trans people were still so dominant that allowing them to participate in a women's tournament functionally trivialized the entire event then we probably need to re-evaluate having gendered events in the first place.

First of all, it's sex not gender that matters. Female sex restricted tournaments. Transgender is a fiction, there is no such thing. Getting mutilated does not change your sex. It's a fantasy land pile of nonsense. A male who gets his penis removed, sucks down hormone pills and gets boob implants is still a guy, his genes are unchanged (and the same goes for the female version of body mutilation).
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MMG_ 23 hours ago#22
MrTuna posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win
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DarkZV2Beta 23 hours ago#23
The reason there's female-only sports leagues is because females are physically less capable by default, albeit not by as much as some people would have you believe. Women don't build muscle as quickly or easily as men, especially when not specifically working out to build muscle, resulting in women on average having lower muscle mass, and therefore less physical strength, putting them at a disadvantage in physical sports.
However, CSGO is not a physical sport, or at least, not a show of strength. Being female provides you no disadvantage in esports. The only reason to have a female esports league is pandering, period. There's nothing stopping a girl from practicing CSGO and becoming good.
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DarkZV2Beta 23 hours ago#24
clowning posted...
Terotrous posted...
Tyranius2 posted...
KaiRyusaki posted...
Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


I wouldn't be surprised if it is to not showcase female teams getting completely demolished.

This is the reason for sure. It's a known thing that even in competitions where physical strength is not a factor, men still have a significant advantage (chess is a well-known example). What's not quite clear is exactly why this is the case. A widely-held theory is that in most cases there's simply way more males competing, so the chance of finding an exceptional player is higher and they have more and better opponents to play against (if the matches are commonly gender-segregated). Alternatively, it's possible that males may have some sort of hard or soft biological example (men and women's brains are known to process certain types of information differently, which could give men an edge, or it could be a more subtle factor like testosterone makes males more competitive and thus more of them play and stick with it longer). 

It's generally been my opinion that gender-segregated events shouldn't exist (for games of knowledge or skill rather than athletics), largely to avoid the first issue where if women spend most of their time playing against a more limited selection of opponents their skills won't develop as well. Thus we could have women who are every bit as skilled as men but they might never reach their full potential. However, if gender-segregated tournaments must exist, I definitely think trans players should be allowed to participate. For starters, they lack the advantage of having a massive pool of players to draw from, as trans people make up only a very small portion of the population, and secondly, even if a biological advantage for males did exist, it's not clear if it would apply to them (for example, if it's related to testosterone, many of them take hormone blockers that would likely prevent it from taking effect). If it was somehow determined empirically that trans people were still so dominant that allowing them to participate in a women's tournament functionally trivialized the entire event then we probably need to re-evaluate having gendered events in the first place.

First of all, it's sex not gender that matters. Female sex restricted tournaments. Transgender is a fiction, there is no such thing. Getting mutilated does not change your sex. It's a fantasy land pile of nonsense. A male who gets his penis removed, sucks down hormone pills and gets boob implants is still a guy, his genes are unchanged (and the same goes for the female version of body mutilation).

Actually, there are XX males and XY females. Also, there are cases of various organs developing female while the sex organs develop male and vice versa.
It's really not as cut and dry as you think.
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Beasthunt 23 hours ago#25
This one a in zero way a physical contest, so there should be no gender restrictions. I don't care what fluff pot relation you consider yourself, it does not give you an edge or take away from your thumb abilities.
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Iceylemon 23 hours ago#27
https://twitter.com/vilgaCS/status/860618175909679105

One of the female "pros" on the best female CS:GO team right now (team secret). She is against letting trans people play in female cups. Females want female only tournaments.
justchill433 23 hours ago#28
If anyone could walk up and join, how do you prevent guys from joining? I'm sure there's shady enough guys that would say they are trans just to get a chance at prize money...

You can say they shouldn't have female only tournaments, but that's a different argument.
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Connora711 23 hours ago#29
If you are born a boy than you are a f***ing boy if you are born a girl that you are a f***ing girl there is no changing that even if you cut your dick off you are still a boy. Same with the girl. People like that makes me sick.
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Boge 23 hours ago#30
If they have a Y chromosome, they should not be in women's events. Period!

A "male" who says they're a female won a gold medal in the olympics last year along with a world record. That shouldn't have happened. There are genetic differences that give a male or female certain advantages over the other depending on what it is. It's the reason there are separate male/female events. It's not a penis or a vagina that determines those genetic differences, and it's certainly not someone's feeling inside if they're a male or female. These transgender folk need to realize no matter what they do, there is a part of them that will always be male or female and there are certain rules they have to abide by.
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wantfastcars 23 hours ago#32
Beasthunt posted...
wantfastcars posted...
I love all the f***heads that don't know the difference between sex and gender in this topic

Real easy to pick out the s***stains on this board whenever a topic like this comes up


You mean as opposed to the mentally ill temper tantrum, uneducated, unlearned, and scientifically devoid humans who try to convince people that being something they can never be is to be forced on everyone else? You mean like you? Shirley we are not the fecalrot that you mentally decrepit types are.

BTW, your sociology book is written by Marxist feminist. Stop using catchphrases you just learned at your local planned Parenthood promotes good health meeting. You people are so easy to spot.

Yeah, unlike some of us I realize that there's a difference between mind and body. But please, go on. This is funny.
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DarkZV2Beta posted...
clowning posted...First of all, it's sex not gender that matters. Female sex restricted tournaments. Transgender is a fiction, there is no such thing. Getting mutilated does not change your sex. It's a fantasy land pile of nonsense. A male who gets his penis removed, sucks down hormone pills and gets boob implants is still a guy, his genes are unchanged (and the same goes for the female version of body mutilation).


Actually, there are XX males and XY females. Also, there are cases of various organs developing female while the sex organs develop male and vice versa.
It's really not as cut and dry as you think.


This. I reply to everyone who says, "There are only two genders" meme argument with, "What about people who have XX chromosomes and male genitalia? Are they male, or female?"

Sexually, the person above is a female, but with male genitalia the person's gender would be male, usually. This whole argumentation over gender started in the 80s and 90s (maybe earlier, but it's not like I paid attention to it before then) with medical professionals trying to understand the differences between someone with female genitalia while missing an X chromosome. There are also people born without genitalia at all, both sets of genitals with only one of them functioning (which may or may not match their chromosomes as well).

Like, I get it, bash the liberal train that took this s*** off the deep end all you want, but there's medical research behind gender and sex discrepancies so it's not just as simple as, "If you're born a girl then you are a f***ing girl" like the post above so eloquently stated.
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c13rocks 22 hours ago#34
Beasthunt posted...
This one a in zero way a physical contest, so there should be no gender restrictions. I don't care what fluff pot relation you consider yourself, it does not give you an edge or take away from your thumb abilities.


I agree. I think the whole trans thing is utter bs and there are maybe .05% of the people who are "trans" that claim to be trans that actually are confused of their gender. The rest are just trying to get attention. There was a new study that show there are actually 6,500 genes that help determine gender anyway... Gaming doesn't have any real advantage between male and female like basketball or running. I don't see why both genders can't fairly compete in gaming.
Requiem 22 hours ago#35
Regardless of politics and philosophy, men and women are physically different.

That's why we don't allow men and women to compete against each other in many sporting events (including those that do not involve physical contact). "E"sports dictating that physical gender be used to separate men and women is no different from Olympics dictating that men and women do not compete against each other.
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c13rocks 22 hours ago#36
XImperialDragon posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
clowning posted...First of all, it's sex not gender that matters. Female sex restricted tournaments. Transgender is a fiction, there is no such thing. Getting mutilated does not change your sex. It's a fantasy land pile of nonsense. A male who gets his penis removed, sucks down hormone pills and gets boob implants is still a guy, his genes are unchanged (and the same goes for the female version of body mutilation).


Actually, there are XX males and XY females. Also, there are cases of various organs developing female while the sex organs develop male and vice versa.
It's really not as cut and dry as you think.


This. I reply to everyone who says, "There are only two genders" meme argument with, "What about people who have XX chromosomes and male genitalia? Are they male, or female?"

Sexually, the person above is a female, but with male genitalia the person's gender would be male, usually. This whole argumentation over gender started in the 80s and 90s (maybe earlier, but it's not like I paid attention to it before then) with medical professionals trying to understand the differences between someone with female genitalia while missing an X chromosome. There are also people born without genitalia at all, both sets of genitals with only one of them functioning (which may or may not match their chromosomes as well).

Like, I get it, bash the liberal train that took this s*** off the deep end all you want, but there's medical research behind gender and sex discrepancies so it's not just as simple as, "If you're born a girl then you are a f***ing girl" like the post above so eloquently stated.


The thing is 99% of the "trans" don't fit into that category. I get the special cases you stated, but those are special cases. They aren't the norm when it comes to the trans fad.
Requiem 22 hours ago#37
DarkZV2Beta posted...
The reason there's female-only sports leagues is because females are physically less capable by default, albeit not by as much as some people would have you believe. Women don't build muscle as quickly or easily as men, especially when not specifically working out to build muscle, resulting in women on average having lower muscle mass, and therefore less physical strength, putting them at a disadvantage in physical sports.
However, CSGO is not a physical sport, or at least, not a show of strength. Being female provides you no disadvantage in esports. The only reason to have a female esports league is pandering, period. There's nothing stopping a girl from practicing CSGO and becoming good.


I disagree.
While it doesn't involve physical strength, it does involve reflex and stamina (especially if a tournament takes over a long period of time, with several matches played during the day). Men just have more stamina than women, and men have slightly faster reflex than women. That's just a biological fact (not political).

Having top men compete against top women gives biological advantage to men simply due to the physical difference between the two.

Now, if women are ok with that, then sure... men and women can compete against each other.
But women will always be at a disadvantage, all other things being equal.
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c13rocks posted...
The thing is 99% of the "trans" don't fit into that category. I get the special cases you stated, but those are special cases. They aren't the norm when it comes to the trans fad.


And that's fine, because that's probably bashing the train that took this s*** off the deep end, lol, but those special cases are why this discussion was around to begin with (for those said people to go overboard with it), and it warrants mention that things aren't so cut and dry for open mindedness at least, because memes are influencing way too many people's arguments, especially on GameFAQs and especially about politics.

Requiem posted...
"E"sports dictating that physical gender be used to separate men and women is no different from Olympics dictating that men and women do not compete against each other.


It really is no different than sports leagues rules for men and women not competing one another, but there is a stark difference:

In the case of physical competitions, the separation makes sense.

In the case of sitting at a mouse and keyboard, the proposed gap between sexes that made the aforementioned rule sensible for the Olympics, for example, makes far less sense for E-Sports due to the reduced physical activity. It's still an applicable factor, but I don't think an argument can be made that playing League is even remotely as taxing on stamina as running the 1500M.
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Requiem 22 hours ago#39
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10024851

Here's a study on the difference between men and women on reaction timea (which may be more important than reflex for certain types of games). Once again, men had a significant speed advantage over women.
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DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#40
Requiem posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
The reason there's female-only sports leagues is because females are physically less capable by default, albeit not by as much as some people would have you believe. Women don't build muscle as quickly or easily as men, especially when not specifically working out to build muscle, resulting in women on average having lower muscle mass, and therefore less physical strength, putting them at a disadvantage in physical sports.
However, CSGO is not a physical sport, or at least, not a show of strength. Being female provides you no disadvantage in esports. The only reason to have a female esports league is pandering, period. There's nothing stopping a girl from practicing CSGO and becoming good.


I disagree.
While it doesn't involve physical strength, it does involve reflex and stamina (especially if a tournament takes over a long period of time, with several matches played during the day). Men just have more stamina than women, and men have slightly faster reflex than women. That's just a biological fact (not political).

Having top men compete against top women gives biological advantage to men simply due to the physical difference between the two.

Now, if women are ok with that, then sure... men and women can compete against each other.
But women will always be at a disadvantage, all other things being equal.

imo it's not enough to be a factor, especially since there's so much more at play in CSGO than just stamina and reaction times.
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Requiem 22 hours ago#41
Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).
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saltedham 22 hours ago#42
so some guys cant compete with other males so they are trying to get into the womans scene so they can dominate? glad that one pro csgo woman is taking a stand against it.
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Requiem posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10024851

Here's a study on the difference between men and women on reaction timea (which may be more important than reflex for certain types of games). Once again, men had a significant speed advantage over women.


Do you have anything newer? While I am willing to read more on the subject, a study of 24 people (that's too small of a sample size to suitably prove anything, period) from 1999 is not exactly useful in course for this discussion.

If you have anything with a larger sample size or that is more recent, I'd definitely be interested in taking a look, though.
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thelocalhentai 22 hours ago#45
So are trans uberpeeps now? So physically and mentally in shape that they trump every single female player in all the tournaments? A mediocre player is ALWAYS going to be mediocre regardless of sex. So why would it really matter for a good/competitive person play against other good/competitive people? It doesn't automatically give a trans person magical powers to beat everyone.

With that in mind, would a trans (female to male) with hormone therapy that looks like a dude and is shaped like a dude, allowed to play in female only leagues? Like this dude: http://www.hintmag.com/__data/f6eb1184f637e717248029627c9b2f79.jpg
Requiem 22 hours ago#46
XImperialDragon posted...
Requiem posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10024851

Here's a study on the difference between men and women on reaction timea (which may be more important than reflex for certain types of games). Once again, men had a significant speed advantage over women.


Do you have anything newer? While I am willing to read more on the subject, a study of 24 people (that's too small of a sample size to suitably prove anything, period) from 1999 is not exactly useful in course for this discussion.

If you have anything with a larger sample size or that is more recent, I'd definitely be interested in taking a look, though.


http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141

http://www.iosrphr.org/papers/v2i3/R023452454.pdf
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DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#47
Requiem posted...
Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.
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Requiem 22 hours ago#48
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Requiem posted...
Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.


Wait,
You're seriously arguing that stamina, reflex, and reaction times aren't significant factors in playing competitive video games (especially in a tournament format)?
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DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#49
Requiem posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Requiem posted...
Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.


Wait,
You're seriously arguing that stamina, reflex, and reaction times aren't significant factors in playing competitive video games (especially in a tournament format)?

No, you made that up so you could argue against it.
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Requiem 22 hours ago#50
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Requiem posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Requiem posted...
Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.


Wait,
You're seriously arguing that stamina, reflex, and reaction times aren't significant factors in playing competitive video games (especially in a tournament format)?

No, you made that up so you could argue against it.


You edited it, but earlier you wrote "it's not a significant factor".
Now you changed your post to say otherwise.
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    Requiem 23 hours ago#51
    XImperialDragon posted...
    c13rocks posted...
    The thing is 99% of the "trans" don't fit into that category. I get the special cases you stated, but those are special cases. They aren't the norm when it comes to the trans fad.


    And that's fine, because that's probably bashing the train that took this s*** off the deep end, lol, but those special cases are why this discussion was around to begin with (for those said people to go overboard with it), and it warrants mention that things aren't so cut and dry for open mindedness at least, because memes are influencing way too many people's arguments, especially on GameFAQs and especially about politics.

    Requiem posted...
    "E"sports dictating that physical gender be used to separate men and women is no different from Olympics dictating that men and women do not compete against each other.


    It really is no different than sports leagues rules for men and women not competing one another, but there is a stark difference:

    In the case of physical competitions, the separation makes sense.

    In the case of sitting at a mouse and keyboard, the proposed gap between sexes that made the aforementioned rule sensible for the Olympics, for example, makes far less sense for E-Sports due to the reduced physical activity. It's still an applicable factor, but I don't think an argument can be made that playing League is even remotely as taxing on stamina as running the 1500M.


    Also, you completely edited out about reflex and reaction.
    The two are pretty important in video games.
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    Requiem posted...
    XImperialDragon posted...
    Requiem posted...
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10024851

    Here's a study on the difference between men and women on reaction timea (which may be more important than reflex for certain types of games). Once again, men had a significant speed advantage over women.


    Do you have anything newer? While I am willing to read more on the subject, a study of 24 people (that's too small of a sample size to suitably prove anything, period) from 1999 is not exactly useful in course for this discussion.

    If you have anything with a larger sample size or that is more recent, I'd definitely be interested in taking a look, though.


    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141

    http://www.iosrphr.org/papers/v2i3/R023452454.pdf



    The second source seems sound, but you should really read the abstract of the first through before posting it, as the first had a blatant flaw that it pointed out, itself:

    "However, that sex difference in reaction time is likely an artifact caused by using the same force threshold in women as men, and it permits a woman to false start by up to 21 ms without penalty. We estimate that female sprinters would have similar reaction times to male sprinters if the force threshold used at Beijing was lowered by 22% in order to account for their lesser muscle strength."

    The second source seems perfectly fine, but the difference in reaction times does not appear to be large enough to be meaningful. A difference of .02, for example, is what, a 13% difference? Is a 13% difference worth having an entirely separate competition for, would be another discussion worth having, I think. In any event, in case it wasn't clear, the second source is definitely fascinating. There are similar other studies of 60+ medical students in India, as well, that show similar results (differences between .02-.04, etc.).
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    Requiem posted...
    Also, you completely edited out about reflex and reaction.
    The two are pretty important in video games.


    I didn't remove anything; I *added* about stamina because by the time I finished my post, your post, which referenced stamina, was above mine.

    I just double checked that post to make sure. I never said a thing about reflex or reaction- don't go making up things to argue with me about, as well. lol
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    Death_Born 22 hours ago#54
    saltedham posted...
    so some guys cant compete with other males so they are trying to get into the womans scene so they can dominate? glad that one pro csgo woman is taking a stand against it.


    Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
    Requiem 22 hours ago#55
    I did read.
    Do you have reading comprehension?

    Males having faster reaction time was derived from the test.
    Females "likely" have equally fast reaction time but slower physical manifestation of it was hypothesized but was NOT tested.
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    Requiem posted...
    I did read.
    Do you have reading comprehension?

    Males having faster reaction time was derived from the test.
    Females "likely" have equally fast reaction time but slower physical manifestation of it was hypothesized but was NOT tested.


    A test that produced a result by means of an artifact from an improper measure in the test is not something you want to use as argument fodder.

    Don't begin your condescending nonsense when your own first source states, "We estimate that female sprinters would have similar reaction times to male sprinters if the force threshold used at Beijing was lowered by 22% in order to account for their lesser muscle strength." That reduces credibility of the numeric results (to which it stated an artifact may have been what produced the variance in numbers), that's the plain and simple of it.

    I found no significant problem with your second source, but a difference of 13% does not seem to be an overwhelming amount that warrants forcing an entire separate competition, league, or event.
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    monkmith 22 hours ago#58
    unlike physical sports, i dont really see how the presence of testosterone would make a difference. so why are there different leagues for men and women?
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    c13rocks 22 hours ago#59
    thelocalhentai posted...
    So are trans uberpeeps now? So physically and mentally in shape that they trump every single female player in all the tournaments? A mediocre player is ALWAYS going to be mediocre regardless of sex. So why would it really matter for a good/competitive person play against other good/competitive people? It doesn't automatically give a trans person magical powers to beat everyone.

    With that in mind, would a trans (female to male) with hormone therapy that looks like a dude and is shaped like a dude, allowed to play in female only leagues? Like this dude: http://www.hintmag.com/__data/f6eb1184f637e717248029627c9b2f79.jpg


    I don't think that the gap is as wide in gaming as physical contests. But a medicore guy running the 40 will probably beat a medicore girl in the 40 bu a fairly significant margin. I guess on the other hand it might be easier to see the difference in a physical display than a gaming display if there really is that much of a difference in gaming.
    DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#60
    Requiem posted...
    DarkZV2Beta posted...
    Requiem posted...
    DarkZV2Beta posted...
    Requiem posted...
    Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

    At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.


    Wait,
    You're seriously arguing that stamina, reflex, and reaction times aren't significant factors in playing competitive video games (especially in a tournament format)?

    No, you made that up so you could argue against it.


    You edited it, but earlier you wrote "it's not a significant factor".
    Now you changed your post to say otherwise.

    I edited nothing.
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    You edited your post apparently, though.
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    DaedalusEx 22 hours ago#61
    MuttonBasher posted...
    One theory is that boys/men have a long legacy of competitive events to shape and support their behavior, while girls/women are still catching up.


    A social theory that preserves the social constructionist/egalitarian dogma that we're all the same under the hood. The much more obvious explanation for those not constrained by dogma is that the brain structures of men and women differ just as their bodies do and these differences afford men a greater ability to perform the tasks found in video games.

    External factors absolutely play a part, but if anyone thinks at this point that genetics don't have a significant role in every aspect of who we are and what we're capable of they haven't been following the plot.
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    @DarkZV2Beta: I think he may have mistaken my post for yours or vice versa- though the claim that I removed something from my post is still nonsensical since I actually added something to it (because new posts came up while I was typing).

    I mean, people don't admit fault on the Internet, but Occam's Razor dictates that he probably mistook your post saying, "It's not significant" for my post and assumed foul play after he noticed mine said, "Edited" at the bottom.
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    Requiem 22 hours ago#63
    DarkZV2Beta posted...
    Requiem posted...
    DarkZV2Beta posted...
    Requiem posted...
    DarkZV2Beta posted...
    Requiem posted...
    Ok, let me just say that you're wrong if you think stamina, reflex, and reaction times are unimportant in competitive games (including video games).

    At this point, you're just arguing with your own fantasy.


    Wait,
    You're seriously arguing that stamina, reflex, and reaction times aren't significant factors in playing competitive video games (especially in a tournament format)?

    No, you made that up so you could argue against it.


    You edited it, but earlier you wrote "it's not a significant factor".
    Now you changed your post to say otherwise.

    I edited nothing.
    rEqzUyy
    You edited your post apparently, though.


    Ok, in that image, you yourself said

    "imo it's not enough to be a factor, especially since there's so much more at play in CSGO than just stamina and reaction times"


    That quote's gone from the new edited post.
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    DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#64
    No it's not? It's still right there.
    Geeze man, you need to come back down to reality. That picture was taken after you claimed the post was edited.
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    Requiem posted...
    Ok, in that image, you yourself said

    "imo it's not enough to be a factor, especially since there's so much more at play in CSGO than just stamina and reaction times"

    That quote's gone from the new edited post.


    He hasn't edited a single post in this entire thread. If a post has been edited, it says it in the lower left corner just as mine does now that I edited it to add this line to it.
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    Requiem 22 hours ago#66
    Oh, my apologies.
    I was confusing DarkZ with Ximperial.

    At any rate, my point still stands. 

    Men have superior stamina, reflex, and reaction times to women, and that provides biological advantage for men over women in competitive video gaming (as it does in most other sporting events) at the top competitive level.
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    Requiem posted...
    Men have superior stamina, reflex, and reaction times to women, and that provides biological advantage for men over women in competitive video gaming (as it does in most other sporting events) at the top competitive level.


    I have no qualms with this claim as it's technically true.

    To expand the discussion further, is the 13%~ difference in reaction time between men and women worth separating events?

    I figure that, rather than having a s*** show of a battle-of-the-sexes argument, that expanding it using the data you've provided would be more reasonable.
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    DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#68
    My argument wasn't that it's not significant, but that it's not significant enough to be worth separating events over, especially since women have their own advantages(generally higher local spatial awareness, for example) and so much of CSGO is precision execution and strategy rather than blind reflexes and stamina. The women's CSGO league is pure pandering to people who don't want to have to improve at the game to have a chance.
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    Requiem 22 hours ago#69
    It's just not the reaction time, although I do think 13% is a pretty significant factor.

    However, I think stamina may be a more important factor in a tournament setting, where a player has to constantly be concentrating. Lower the stamina, shorter the ability to concentrate (and thus more prone to make mistakes, lower reflex and reaction times, etc etc).

    Those biologically based differences probably aren't an important factor in a game between average joes and sarahs playing one or two hours on a weekend.

    But, spending days constantly concentrating (when not playing, looking over other player's videos and studying weakness) against the best opponents in the field? Yeah... it all adds up and wears down the players.
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    DarkZV2Beta 22 hours ago#70
    CSGO tournaments don't have people playing all day, though. Just an hour or two at a time. Other than that, it's more about planning and analysis.
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    Requiem 21 hours ago#71
    Yes, and planning and analysis takes concentration (if one's serious about it).
    That's why we can't study 12hr straight and expect to do well as studying few hours at a time (no cramming before the finals, eh).

    Assuming that men and women are equally intelligent, men have an advantage when required to "chug" through large amounts of materials quickly in a limited time span via brute force. 

    Other posters wrote it, but there are no such things as a "boys only" tournament, only "females only" tournament for CSGO (at least on the major circuit). Females players are apparently more than welcome to play with the males. It puts women at a disadvantage, but if they can win, more power to them. It'll require the female players to be significantly more skilled than the male players (especially towards the end of the tournament, where they'll need to use better skills to cover up the lack in other things), but they're more than welcome to try (and I suppose it can be done).

    The issue here was that someone with a biological advantage (having a male body) entering a female only tournament. While I'm not going to take a stance on the political side of things, a "trans" female with a male body does have a distinct advantage over a female competitor with a biologically female body. In a very competitive field, even a slight advantage can end up making a large difference.

    And, while I suppose we can argue that we should just ban "female only" (or gender exclusive) competitions... I'm afraid that would effectively destroy the competitive female gamers community (or at least whittle it down to an insignificant niche group), which may lead to girls being discouraged to play games (lack of female heroes winning at tournaments and whatnot).
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    deoxxys 21 hours ago#73
    KaiRyusaki posted...
    Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?

    SkynyrdRocker posted...
    dragon504 posted...
    Unless there's some big advantage males have for gaming that I'm unaware of.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/
    Furthermore, male medical students have faster RTs as compared to female medical students for both auditory as well as visual stimuli.


    I'm citing it so I don't get modded. Men have a biological advantage in video games due to reaction times. That is why the vast majority of progamers are men.
    DarkZV2Beta 21 hours ago#74
    But the issue with stamina is working at the same thing for a long period. Mixing it up with different kinds of activities fixes that pretty well.
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    su27Chaos 21 hours ago#75
    no one realize they said female only. if it's male only its the same thing. transgender can get in if there is no rules. that team had a lot of tournaments to join.
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    kobalobasileus 19 hours ago#76
    BearShrooms posted...
    Your organs denote your sex. Period, end of story.

    Wrong. It's your chromosomes.
    Lite_Brite 19 hours ago#77
    Seems unfair to actual females.
    TheMadToker 19 hours ago#78
    Intelligent discourse in a trans topic? On MY gamefaqs??

    I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

    No seriously though, this topic turned into an interesting read. Nice work punching above the belt, guys... AND gals O.o

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    Death_Born 18 hours ago#79
    Born Lucky posted...
    clowning posted...
    Transgender is a fiction, there is no such thing. Getting mutilated does not change your sex. It's a fantasy land pile of nonsense. A male who gets his penis removed, sucks down hormone pills and gets boob implants is still a guy, his genes are unchanged (and the same goes for the female version of body mutilation


    Exactly.

    Sadly - about half the people in the United States are so brainwashed by our public school system , that this basic common sense is beyond their understanding.


    I don't think trans people are under the illusion that it's possible to transform into the other sex.

    American Heritage dictionary defines gender as "One's identity as female or male", not one's biological status as female or male, which would be their sex.


    SkynyrdRocker posted...

    I'm citing it so I don't get modded. Men have a biological advantage in video games due to reaction times. That is why the vast majority of progamers are men.


    That may very well be the case but it doesn't explain why most pro gamers are men. Unless you are suggesting that there wouldn't be female pro gaming leagues if there were more female pro gamers. No, the reason more pro gamers are men has to do with the marketing of video games to men that started sometime in the 80s or 90s. Games used to be marketed to both genders, but the marketers decided it was easier to focus on one demographic and that drove women away from games, "bro-izing" them.

    Why would women bother becoming pro gamers in an environment that treats women as eye candy or denigrates them? Most online games lack any tools to prevent this because the developers are so used to making games only for guys that they don't realize there is any issue.
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    TrashPandaJedi 17 hours ago#80
    Not sure whats the point of this. Females in general are horrible at games. Who even wants to see this?
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    Born Lucky 14 hours ago#81
    Sorry , but just because a dictionary changed their definition of gender, two years ago, doesn't change the reality of the science of DNA . 
    There are only 2 genders . They can not be swapped because of "feelings". If people could do that, that would be called "magic". And magic only exists in fiction.
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    Lienhart 12 hours ago#82
    Lite_Brite posted...
    Seems unfair to actual females.


    This is the point every single person in this thread is missing.

    I am a man, but am extremely competitive. If I were female and joined a female only competition, I am expecting only f***ing females. If you are transgender, I have no idea if you're on hormone therapy or how much your original male genes are giving you an advantage. 

    From an athletic point of view I absolutely do not think transgender folk should be allowed in sex restricted tournaments. This is the same issue we had back when a paraplegic destroyed regular runners. While I really admire these folk, if you chop off your limbs and throw implants on them that perform better then legs (they didn't do this by choice obviously)...that's cheating. Again, I really do admire these folk though as I'm in a sport myself that is known for people getting legs/limbs amputated.
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    oblique365 12 hours ago#83
    Iceylemon posted...
    Fade2black001 posted...
    MrTuna posted...
    KaiRyusaki posted...
    Why even have sex-restricted tournaments?


    I figure that the best girl players are much worse then the best boy players. So them having an all female tournament guarantees that a girl is able to win

    What a load of bulls***....


    It is not. The best females are worst than low tier male teams. If you don't believe then go to HLTV and look up some male vs female matches. Females get dominated (like 16-3). If you follow CS:GO you would know. Most tournaments are not gender restricted. The females just fail to qualify for them. If anything female tourneys are restricted. They don't allow men in and this is because the females want them this way. I actually follow the scene.


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    oblique365 12 hours ago#84
    Lienhart posted...
    Lite_Brite posted...
    Seems unfair to actual females.


    This is the point every single person in this thread is missing.

    I am a man, but am extremely competitive. If I were female and joined a female only competition, I am expecting only f***ing females. If you are transgender, I have no idea if you're on hormone therapy or how much your original male genes are giving you an advantage. 

    From an athletic point of view I absolutely do not think transgender folk should be allowed in sex restricted tournaments. This is the same issue we had back when a paraplegic destroyed regular runners. While I really admire these folk, if you chop off your limbs and throw implants on them that perform better then legs (they didn't do this by choice obviously)...that's cheating. Again, I really do admire these folk though as I'm in a sport myself that is known for people getting legs/limbs amputated.


    Women need to stop forcing themselves into mens sports as well then. Its no different.
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    gilv3r 12 hours ago#85
    Born Lucky posted...
    When a man claims to be a woman, it doesn't make him a woman.

    It makes him a liar.

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    Beasthunt 12 hours ago#86
    wantfastcars posted...
    Beasthunt posted...
    wantfastcars posted...
    I love all the f***heads that don't know the difference between sex and gender in this topic

    Real easy to pick out the s***stains on this board whenever a topic like this comes up


    You mean as opposed to the mentally ill temper tantrum, uneducated, unlearned, and scientifically devoid humans who try to convince people that being something they can never be is to be forced on everyone else? You mean like you? Shirley we are not the fecalrot that you mentally decrepit types are.

    BTW, your sociology book is written by Marxist feminist. Stop using catchphrases you just learned at your local planned Parenthood promotes good health meeting. You people are so easy to spot.

    Yeah, unlike some of us I realize that there's a difference between mind and body. But please, go on. This is funny.


    So now you are trying to get spiritual. So now you are saying that being transexual is a spiritual event. Well, that's fine, you can be spiritually anything you want but physically you are still what you are. Your outward appearance still defines you, as well as your physical being.

    It's that easy. Your sociology book didn't prepare you for the outside of the echo chamber conversations. If you are going to go around cursing at people from behind your masculine keyboard and then running behind a mod button as soon as you get a reply, at least come up with something stimulating.
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    Lienhart 12 hours ago#87
    oblique365 posted...
    Lienhart posted...
    Lite_Brite posted...
    Seems unfair to actual females.


    This is the point every single person in this thread is missing.

    I am a man, but am extremely competitive. If I were female and joined a female only competition, I am expecting only f***ing females. If you are transgender, I have no idea if you're on hormone therapy or how much your original male genes are giving you an advantage. 

    From an athletic point of view I absolutely do not think transgender folk should be allowed in sex restricted tournaments. This is the same issue we had back when a paraplegic destroyed regular runners. While I really admire these folk, if you chop off your limbs and throw implants on them that perform better then legs (they didn't do this by choice obviously)...that's cheating. Again, I really do admire these folk though as I'm in a sport myself that is known for people getting legs/limbs amputated.


    Women need to stop forcing themselves into mens sports as well then. Its no different.


    Err.........the women's only tournaments were made because women get demolished by men at the highest levels of competition. Again, no issue with competing against women, but the issue is that when both go all out, males tend to come out on top. 

    So if you put someone that was a guy before...with probably all of the male advantages, into a female tournament...that's called cheating.
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    Beasthunt 12 hours ago#88
    Well another side to this coin is that men have become so weak and pathetic that women in many cases feel they need to step up and do not mind fighting/competing against guys. They see that guys have become so weak that they consider esports an actual athletic sport. That mindset breeds other mindsets. Why wouldn't an aggressive minded girl mind competing against the betas she sees running around in skinny jeans, flanel shirts, emo hair, and perfectly groomed beards? That's their view of men, weak and pathetic. So sure, they think all men are like that and don't mind competing against them, until reality check.

    But still, I would need some hard science on men being better at video games than girls. That's thumb movement and reaction time, and using mental clarity; which women are better at. They think things through.
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    Lienhart 11 hours ago#89
    Beasthunt posted...
    Well another side to this coin is that men have become so weak and pathetic that women in many cases feel they need to step up and do not mind fighting/competing against guys. They see that guys have become so weak that they consider esports an actual athletic sport. That mindset breeds other mindsets. Why wouldn't an aggressive minded girl mind competing against the betas she sees running around in skinny jeans, flanel shirts, emo hair, and perfectly groomed beards? That's their view of men, weak and pathetic. So sure, they think all men are like that and don't mind competing against them, until reality check.

    But still, I would need some hard science on men being better at video games than girls. That's thumb movement and reaction time, and using mental clarity; which women are better at. They think things through.


    No you don't. Every e-sport match I've seen involving women has involved the women being dominated so bad. I honestly feel bad for them because I do want more women involved in games.

    The same thing, by the way, happens in motorsports (motorcycle or cars). I know a female rider who is much faster than me but she cannot touch the guys at the national level...hell, there aren't any females in the national level! And we all want more women riding motorcycles.
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    GunmaN1905 11 hours ago#90
    There's no point in discussing anything with liberals and feminists.

    If there was no gender separation in CSGO and women teams competed equally, they would never make it past preliminary qualifiers (aka qualifiers for qualifiers) for any bigger LAN tournament.
    Then uninformed feminists would complain about how there's no women in tournaments.

    And yea, genders are simple.
    Your biological role in reproduction = your gender for disciplines which seperate genders.
    Outside of that, you can identify as anything you want for all I care.

    Do you think it would be fair towards women if some tier 2 100m sprinter changed genders and wanted to participate in women's olympic 100m race?
    Beasthunt 11 hours ago#91
    Lienhart posted...
    Beasthunt posted...
    Well another side to this coin is that men have become so weak and pathetic that women in many cases feel they need to step up and do not mind fighting/competing against guys. They see that guys have become so weak that they consider esports an actual athletic sport. That mindset breeds other mindsets. Why wouldn't an aggressive minded girl mind competing against the betas she sees running around in skinny jeans, flanel shirts, emo hair, and perfectly groomed beards? That's their view of men, weak and pathetic. So sure, they think all men are like that and don't mind competing against them, until reality check.

    But still, I would need some hard science on men being better at video games than girls. That's thumb movement and reaction time, and using mental clarity; which women are better at. They think things through.


    No you don't. Every e-sport match I've seen involving women has involved the women being dominated so bad. I honestly feel bad for them because I do want more women involved in games.

    The same thing, by the way, happens in motorsports (motorcycle or cars). I know a female rider who is much faster than me but she cannot touch the guys at the national level...hell, there aren't any females in the national level! And we all want more women riding motorcycles.


    Danica Patrick did well in Nascaar. She may not have finished first, but there were plenty of guys she beat, right? I don't know about this girl who raced motorcycles because I just ride mine around, I don't watch the sport. But did she come in last place every time? My point is, that one girl in the midst of a ton of men is no different than a man in a midst of a ton of women, that does not finish first all of the time. It could just be the girl isn't as good as everyone thinks she is in that setting. Btw, I'm all for opening up every competition up to every one and then let the talent separate the weak from the strong. No matter who that is. Sad reality is, you have people that cry for the weak or not as physically gifted (women vs men) in combat sports, or physical sports to get an auto entry and trophy or in the coward case of the transvestite man jumping into the female mma world, pure cowardice hiding behind the liberal mindset of everyone is equal. But that's just the liberal mindset, those people are just horrible human beings.

    I'm not saying racing isn't physical and demanding but it's not the same as a 350lb man tackling a 130lb woman. Or a 175 lb man smacking a 175 lb woman around in a ring. There is a clear difference.

    But eSports. Do guys constantly beat the women? That's a genuine question.
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    GunmaN1905 11 hours ago#92
    Beasthunt posted...
    But eSports. Do guys constantly beat the women? That's a genuine question.


    Yes they do.
    I've been playing CS for more than 15 years now, following the scene closely and there hasn't been a single girl that was good enough to be a part of a tier2 men team.
    And full girl teams competing at a decent level would be comparable to WNBA teams competing with NBA teams. Not gonna happen.

    As much as feminists are trying to get into your head and say that women are equal to men in terms of skills and abilities required in sports and even esports, they're not.
    GunmaN1905 10 hours ago#93
    Lienhart 8 hours ago#94
    GunmaN1905 posted...
    http://fragbite.com/cs/news/40738/the-transsexual-team-that-was-declined-to-compete-in-an-all-female-tournament-was-apparently-a-hoax

    Well, then.
    How unexpected.



    AHAHAHAAHHHAHA

    That is amazing.
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    Axtlar 8 hours ago#95
    HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

    Reminds me of that one athlete that easily won the womens tournament after joining as a girl.
    BearShrooms 7 hours ago#96
    MuttonBasher posted...
    Terotrous posted...
    It's a known thing that even in competitions where physical strength is not a factor, men still have a significant advantage (chess is a well-known example). What's not quite clear is exactly why this is the case.

    One theory is that boys/men have a long legacy of competitive events to shape and support their behavior, while girls/women are still catching up. It's interesting to note that real-life shooting tournaments separate women and men because the women generally have an advantage. I have a relative who was on the JROTC rifle team at her high school. She met one of the Marine Corps' best shooters at the time, who was also a woman.

    As for the story, I'm glad the rules will be changing to include transfolk. I just hope they don't encounter any hate in the process. I'm gender non-conforming myself and have had to deal with harassment. It makes life harder for no reason.


    Being gender non-conforming has absolutely NOTHING to do with the hard science of the developmental differences between men and women. If you don't understand this then you shouldn't have an opinion on the subject.
    Beasthunt 3 hours ago#97
    GunmaN1905 posted...
    Beasthunt posted...
    But eSports. Do guys constantly beat the women? That's a genuine question.


    Yes they do.
    I've been playing CS for more than 15 years now, following the scene closely and there hasn't been a single girl that was good enough to be a part of a tier2 men team.
    And full girl teams competing at a decent level would be comparable to WNBA teams competing with NBA teams. Not gonna happen.

    As much as feminists are trying to get into your head and say that women are equal to men in terms of skills and abilities required in sports and even esports, they're not.


    I understand your anger, and it's because you lack proper reading and comprehension skills. I have stated several times that men are physically superior, and I was not convinced that these finely tuned athletes thumb skills separated them, and as history....FACTS...show, women beat men in professional non-combat sports. Nascar, golf being two major ones. So I don't need females in my head to see in a non-physical sport that women can compete, all I have to do is research. You should try it.

    But my question was sincere, since eSports is a joke....a complete joke; and I did not know if women were actually competitive in your imaginary world of athletics.
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    Retrowire 3 hours ago#98
    Lienhart posted...
    GunmaN1905 posted...
    http://fragbite.com/cs/news/40738/the-transsexual-team-that-was-declined-to-compete-in-an-all-female-tournament-was-apparently-a-hoax

    Well, then.
    How unexpected.



    AHAHAHAAHHHAHA

    That is amazing.

    So it was a bunch of trolls trying to phish Buzzfeed, therefore proving to themselves that clickbait magnate Buzzfeed is fake news.

    Gee, who would have thought a clickbait website was capable of having fake news? What a waste of time on everyones part.
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