I've never played Shadow Dragon and I don't actually know much about it, just that it's a remake of the very first game in the series, and it apparently stayed far too faithful to the original game, which hadn't aged well? I don't really know the details. Apparently, it's a nearly 1:1 port of the original, with updated graphics but very little else actually done to update it or fix the problems it had? I also think I heard something about you apparently having to intentionally kill off your own units for some reason? Could somebody fill me in on the details?
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The story is barebones, the characters are bare bones and will help shake off the illusion that Kaga can actually write interesting people or good dialogue (Lucina shows more character in her supports with Chrom than Marth shows in 4 games), the gameplay is barebones, which makes sense as its an overly faithful remake of the first game, the maps are functional but seem dull compared to more interesting maps in later games and the gaiden chapthers require you to kill a certain amount of troops to get into them, violating the spirit of fe (though you can just ignore them). It's also a ds game that looks uglier than GBA games. The game is really only considered bad compared to the GBA, and it's mostly just a vocal minority of whiners who really exaggerate things, which you should be used to by now. The game is considered somewhat disappointing by some, but it is a perfectly functional FE and a decent srpg. I'd rather play Devil Survivor but you could do a whole lot worse
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Wandering__Hero posted...
The game is really only considered bad compared to the GBA, and it's mostly just a vocal minority of whiners who really exaggerate things, which you should be used to by now. The game is considered somewhat disappointing by some, but it is a perfectly functional FE and a decent srpg.
Pretty much this. I really like Shadow Dragon myself.
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It's not that bad but the gaiden requirements really sour any positive thoughts I have about it.
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The game is also poorly balanced. Medeus should never be able to double Marth 100% in the harder difficulties.
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People hate on it because: 1) No supports with dialouge 2) Super faithful to the original, this includes gameplay and story 3) Animations aren't as anime as the GBA ones 4) Graphics are bad 5) People don't like the artstyle I personally liked. Found it quite retro and charming. And gameplay is good if you get creative.
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These: Executor15 posted...
People hate on it because:
1) No supports with dialouge
2) Super faithful to the original, this includes gameplay and story
3) Animations aren't as anime as the GBA ones
4) Graphics are bad
5) People don't like the artstyle
And also: 6) You miss out on the new chapters by not playing on Normal Mode (Prologue), as well as by playing well and not letting your units die (sidequests). 7) Warp is broken It's a real pity, because the biggest flaw is the aesthetics, and it was a missed opportunity to expand the dialogue to flesh out the story.
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Because people have bad taste and only care about shallow stuff
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Shadow Dragon was bad?
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I didn't feel like it was balanced well, when I played it. Some people are fans of permadeath and high difficulty. I'm not a bad gamer at all, but definitely couldn't get into it Bought the game and had high hopes, but was disappointed. One of few games I ever started playing and didn't play to completion. I also found the story to be really dry, but that's to your taste. It might be good if you're into stuff like war and politics and lots of made-up nations to keep track of or whatever, but to me it was more dull than fantasy-like and none of the characters (even Marth, who I already loved from Smash Bros.) had very interesting personalities.
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Because people found the barebones story and gameplay to be jarring after the polished GBA and Tellius games. I think it's good for what it is, though. Except the Gaiden requirements. I hope who ever came up with those got fired.
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terrible visuals, no supports to flesh out the characters, killing off characters to access side chapters god why??? It's a terrible remake
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I hate the art a lot.
The class changing system is what I'm not fond of as well.
And the Gaiden requirements are terrible.
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**** taste Seriously though, people bring up the lack of supports and art style, but it's all really blown out of proportion. The gameplay is straight up Fire Emblem. I guess it depends what about Fire Emblem appeals to you. For me it's the strategic gameplay and large roster of characters. Shadow Dragon has both of those and IMO it's a great game. If you're more into playing matchmaker and a complex storyline it might let you down. Still, I find it hard to believe that any Fire Emblem fan could really hate the game as some people claim to. Also, people bring up the gaiden thing way too much. Just act like those chapters don't exist. They're only there as a crutch for players who let too many characters die. I've played through Shadow Dragon many times and have never once gone to any of the Gaiden chapters and it hasn't made me love the game any less. I really don't get why some people get so bent out of shape over it. Of course it would've been cool if there were another way to recruit those characters, but there isn't and it's not the end of the world.
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I loved it. Played the hell out of it back in the day.
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Jack_the_monke7 posted...
**** taste
Seriously though, people bring up the lack of supports and art style, but it's all really blown out of proportion. The gameplay is straight up Fire Emblem. I guess it depends what about Fire Emblem appeals to you. For me it's the strategic gameplay and large roster of characters. Shadow Dragon has both of those and IMO it's a great game. If you're more into playing matchmaker and a complex storyline it might let you down. Still, I find it hard to believe that any Fire Emblem fan could really hate the game as some people claim to.
Also, people bring up the gaiden thing way too much. Just act like those chapters don't exist. They're only there as a crutch for players who let too many characters die. I've played through Shadow Dragon many times and have never once gone to any of the Gaiden chapters and it hasn't made me love the game any less. I really don't get why some people get so bent out of shape over it. Of course it would've been cool if there were another way to recruit those characters, but there isn't and it's not the end of the world.
200% agree
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Shadow Dragon is a really fun Fire Emblem game. I remember when it first came out and I was super excited to play it, and it didn't disappoint me. I'm not saying it's better than some of the other titles out there, but it's what I thought it'd be: The first Fire Emblem game with a fresh new coat of paint.
Maybe that's not for everyone, but if you ever have the chance, give it a try. Though the supports and character development aren't there (or kept to a bare minimum), some of my favorite characters in the series are from that game (And Mystery of the Emblem).
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The graphics completely destroy it the game and i mean completely. I dunno what they was thinking there.
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judgeramza posted...
The graphics completely destroy it the game and i mean completely. I dunno what they was thinking there.
They look better at native resolution, as with most pre-rendered DS games. I think they were going for a more Western art style (as opposed to other FEs, which have always been rather "anime").
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The artwork and presentation in that is just so damn bland. Honestly I always found Marth the most boring lord appearance wise
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The fact some characters are only unlocked by killing certain allies kill the completist in me. Also I played every fire emblem since path of radiance and shadow dragon is the only game I can't recall who my characters were or what the plot was. I remember the final level since I just teleported Marty in front of the boss for him to kill it and I thought it was a funny way to bypass what I assume was a hard level.
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Marth wearing pants is a travesty!
Seriously, though, it's the ugly battle graphics that turn me off.
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Because rather than updating the original game with the features and improvements later entries brought about, IS decided to stay super faithful to the original in every way, complete with lack of supports, poor balance, underwhelming characterizations, and downright moronic design choices*coughgaidenchapterrequirementscough*. Really, it feels far more archaic than a remake should.
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Basically stupid reasons like "no supports", (Yet the same people praise Radiant Dawn which got rid of proper supports in the first place.) and optional gaiden chapters. And not real reasons like the reclass system, Wolf and Sedgar, the increase in Warp Staves (Which have 7 uses a pop this time.), how badly some updated mechanic changes clash with what was left alone. (No enemy unit in Normal Mode gets stats above 20 because they keep their NES version stats designed around the 20 stat cap. But your units.....) Or hell, even the f***ed up official artwork. Ogma, what did they do to you?!
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(Topic Creator)6 days ago#27
I was just wondering, because I've heard mixed though generally negative opinions about Shadow Dragon, but I have nonetheless been curious about it. I've been sort of mildly curious what Marth's story is for a long time now, and Shadow Dragon is the only one of his games that's in English. There's currently a reward available to "My Nintendo" members to get Shadow Dragon at a bit of a discount, but it's download-only and I didn't want to get it if it was a clunky mess of a game chock full of outdated mechanics and a skewed difficulty the likes of which many NES games were notorious for, since if I wind up not liking it, that'll be several dollars and 30 valuable gold My Nintendo points that I can't get back.
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Endgame posted...
Basically stupid reasons like "no supports", (Yet the same people praise Radiant Dawn which got rid of proper supports in the first place.)
Ok, name 1 person who criticizes SD for lack of supports while praising RD for it. billlybob posted...
I was just wondering, because I've heard mixed though generally negative opinions about Shadow Dragon, but I have nonetheless been curious about it. I've been sort of mildly curious what Marth's story is for a long time now, and Shadow Dragon is the only one of his games that's in English. There's currently a reward available to "My Nintendo" members to get Shadow Dragon at a bit of a discount, but it's download-only and I didn't want to get it if it was a clunky mess of a game chock full of outdated mechanics and a skewed difficulty the likes of which many NES games were notorious for, since if I wind up not liking it, that'll be several dollars and 30 valuable gold My Nintendo points that I can't get back.
I mean, despite all the s*** I give it, it's not unplayable or anything. Just very sub-par for FE, IMO. I don't even mind the art, which a lot of people seem to hate. But mechanically, the game moves along quickly enough. And I wouldn't call it "clunky" or anything. It's just got a pretty bland story, and the harder difficulty modes rely on inflating enemy stats to stupid levels, and not much else. I'd really only recommend playing it if you have access to an emulator or some other means of playing the much-improved sequel in English after you beat Shadow Dragon.
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Imagine people expecting FE7 and FE8 quality of a portable Fire Emblem experience after Shadow Dragon got announced for the next handheld system, and then combined with the fact that it's a remake of the very first game in the series. Sorry, but New Mystery was pretty much superior in every way.
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To sum things up quickly: -Forgettable, uninteresting story -Almost nothing to the characters -Bland, ugly graphics all around (characters, map, battle) -Uninteresting gameplay -Weak map design -Bosses are a joke It's not horrible, but it's basically uninteresting and forgettable, in terms of story, characters, graphics, and gameplay. It was a huge disappointment after how great the GBA games... It had none of the things I loved about the series. I'd expect a game series to improve moving from the GBA to DS, even if it was a remake of the first game.
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I just really hated the forced death sidequests.
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I liked it but I certainly liked the GBA and 3DS games more. I liked the art style and animations except for knights. My only complaints would be a very weak story, weak characters, and basic gameplay. Otherwise I say it's a decent game.
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Sword_of_Dusk posted...
Wandering__Hero posted...
The game is really only considered bad compared to the GBA, and it's mostly just a vocal minority of whiners who really exaggerate things, which you should be used to by now. The game is considered somewhat disappointing by some, but it is a perfectly functional FE and a decent srpg.
Pretty much this. I really like Shadow Dragon myself.
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Poor balance, like half of the cast is garbage compared to the other half and everyone has one of two reclass sets and one reclass set is miles above the other with options like Dracoknight and Paladin. Very easy to cheese. Since every map is seize, almost every boss is weak to some effective weapon, and Warp has infinite range once you get two Warp staffs and forge Ridersbane/Wing Spear/Wrymslayer you can skip almost every chapter by just warping a boss killer and Marth up to the seize spot. Music is good but really repetitive for the first third Good players get punished for playing well by missing content. In addition to the already mentioned gaiden requirements the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice. Boring animations and the faces look hideous. The maps are way too big and its way more of a mount dominated game even by usual FE standards especially with no rescue/dance mechanic. Kinda ironic given that everyone has higher move than usual. I've played every localized FE and would put it at the very bottom.
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(Topic Creator)4 days ago#35
So the general consensus is that Shadow Dragon isn't really a bad game, per se, just that: -The story is barebones. (Understandable for an NES game I suppose.) -The characters have little to no personality and might as well just be generics. -The map design is fairly bland. -The difficulty is poorly balanced. Normal mode is a bit too easy some feel, while the higher difficulties are only hard because they're BS. (Could someone go into detail please? Just how easy is Normal exactly, and what exactly do the higher difficulties do to attempt to make the game harder?) -The graphics are ugly. -Accessing paralogues requires you to kill off your own units. (What is there in the paralogues that makes some people feel like it's worth killing off a bunch of their own units though?) Did I miss anything? digitalstarry posted...
the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice.
Hm? There's a point in the game where you HAVE to kill someone off?
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billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice.
Hm? There's a point in the game where you HAVE to kill someone off?
If you play normal mode, yes. During the normal mode only prologue you have to sacrifice someone for plot reasons. Unless someone is already dead, then it skips this event.
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(Topic Creator)4 days ago#37
digitalstarry posted...
billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice.
Hm? There's a point in the game where you HAVE to kill someone off?
If you play normal mode, yes. During the normal mode only prologue you have to sacrifice someone for plot reasons. Unless someone is already dead, then it skips this event.
Is there no way to get around sacrificing someone?
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billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice.
Hm? There's a point in the game where you HAVE to kill someone off?
If you play normal mode, yes. During the normal mode only prologue you have to sacrifice someone for plot reasons. Unless someone is already dead, then it skips this event.
Is there no way to get around sacrificing someone?
Play Hard Mode. Otherwise no
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billlybob posted...
I've never played Shadow Dragon and I don't actually know much about it, just that it's a remake of the very first game in the series, and it apparently stayed far too faithful to the original game, which hadn't aged well? I don't really know the details. Apparently, it's a nearly 1:1 port of the original, with updated graphics but very little else actually done to update it or fix the problems it had? I also think I heard something about you apparently having to intentionally kill off your own units for some reason? Could somebody fill me in on the details?
If you listen to modern gamers on the internet literally everything is absolutely goddamn irredeemably terrible to them. Basically just started tuning out and laughing at people any time they claim something is the absolute worst thing ever cause I just as soon assume it's a bunch of forum s***ters making their usual noise anyway and 9 times out of 10 that's exactly what it is and every so often maybe once a year you get a No Man's Sky or Mass Effect Andromeda where it's like hold on wait a minute this is actually a really serious problem with the game. When all a certain demographic seems to do anymore is complain and exaggerate and hyper focus on the supposed shortcomings of things which are usual just very specific personal beefs anyway you kind of start to build a certain expectation and weigh it that much less into impacting your daily thought processes and considerations. Also here's yet another people care way too much about what other people think about things statement for the day.
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(Topic Creator)4 days ago#40
digitalstarry posted...
billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
billlybob posted...
digitalstarry posted...
the prologue is only accessible on normal difficulty and contains two exclusive characters, one of which requires you to kill off one person in addition to the mandatory sacrifice.
Hm? There's a point in the game where you HAVE to kill someone off?
If you play normal mode, yes. During the normal mode only prologue you have to sacrifice someone for plot reasons. Unless someone is already dead, then it skips this event.
Is there no way to get around sacrificing someone?
Play Hard Mode. Otherwise no
So there's no way to get around having to sacrifice at least one person... If I wind up playing Shadow Dragon one day, what would be the best way to handle that situation?
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Wandering__Hero posted...
and the gaiden chapthers require you to kill a certain amount of troops to get into them, violating the spirit of fe (though you can just ignore them).
It's the only thing in the entire series that actually FITS the spirit of the series, because it's the only game that attempted to balance permanent death as an actual mechanic instead of simply an artifact held in place to let hardcore players pretend they're less pathetic and casual than they really are as they gleefully reset and shrug off non-time consequences. It's unfortunate that they did a poor job doing so.
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Emmy_Altava posted...
It's the only thing in the entire series that actually FITS the spirit of the series.
What? I always thought the spirit of the series was to formulate strategies around keep your units alive.
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The reason to sacrifice basically everyone except marth, ogma and maybe 1-2 other units is that the "optional" chapters include quite literally the best units in the game. Like, sacrificing 10 useless units for some of them IS 100% worth it, because those 10 units are probably going to be one-shot by anything that matters anyway.
They made the game harder purely by doing stat inflation, which makes the unit balance even more obvious and even more of an issue, though I don't remember if they did the whole thing of stat inflation effecting enemies that you can recruit. (which is hilarious in games that have it, since it makes recruitable enemies like 10x better than other units you can get in higher difficulties >.>)
I'm probably one of the biggest FE fans in the states (I mean, I've literally played FE7 for probably around ~3k hours >.>) and I've only played through shadow dragon 1 1/2 times. The first time I tried playing it I literally couldn't force myself to keep playing and quit for like 1 1/2 years before eventually going back and finishing it.
The balance is absolutely terrible, and it's very likely that marth will end up literally useless if you don't play on normal, and that Ogma, your manakete of choice and maybe a mounted unit or 2 will end up basically carrying the army by themselves. (making the decision to go for the sidequests honestly far easier.... When your entire usable roster is like 4-5 units anyway, you might as well kill everyone else off to get the other good characters.)
You also literally do get generic characters that you then have to kill off yet again every time your army drops below a certain number of units.
Luckily the fact 90% of the cast has like no personality makes it pretty easy to just kill everyone. I literally can't remember a single unit other than marth, ogma and one of the mages, despite seeing most of the cast in awakening DLC lol >.>.
That said, if you don't abuse warp and are actually willing to kill off 90% of the cast, the game IS actually pretty challenging with a few interesting maps. ...I've actually been thinking of playing it again at some point, might do that after I'm done with echoes. But yeah, the overall design is just... bleh. You can definitely do worse, but... a lot of other games in the SRPG genre are far better. (including a number of other relatively old and/or obscure titles...)
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AtomicArtumas posted...
t the "optional" chapters include quite literally the best units in the game
no they don't lmfao shiida, barst, hardin, cain, abel, lena none of them are on optional chapters
Radiant Dawn is the worst Fire Emblem game. Wind Waker is the worst Zelda game and a terrible game in general.
Shadow Dragon is a top 3 fire emblem.
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Taiphlosion posted...
AtomicArtumas posted...
t the "optional" chapters include quite literally the best units in the game
no they don't lmfao
shiida, barst, hardin, cain, abel, lena
none of them are on optional chapters
Whoa there. I don't remember much about FE shadows but I do remember Cain sucking. He has horrible growth rates and starts with an E in lance.
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Actually outside of MAYBE Norne [who's basically a rebalanced Gordin] the Paralogue characters are strictly worse than the rest of the cast- E.G. Compare Tiki vs Nagi, Tiki is better in ALL CATEGORIES, except "boobs" but that's not a stat. And the replacements [I.E. Lucer, Wymp, and their friends] are pure trash.
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Hercik1 posted...
The fact some characters are only unlocked by killing certain allies kill the completionist in me.
This is the reason I did not enjoy it as much as other FE games. =/
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Eh fire emblem Shadow dragon had it's issues such as, requiring to kill off units to access certain​ chapters and balance issues such as harder difficulties just insane stat inflation. Other than that, it isn't a terrible game, but it is pretty barebone with story and character development.
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Airship_Canon posted...
Actually outside of MAYBE Norne [who's basically a rebalanced Gordin] the Paralogue characters are strictly worse than the rest of the cast- E.G. Compare Tiki vs Nagi, Tiki is better in ALL CATEGORIES, except "boobs" but that's not a stat. And the replacements [I.E. Lucer, Wymp, and their friends] are pure trash.
Actually Tiki and Nagi are equal. They have the same growth rate. https://serenesforest.net/shadow-dragon/characters/growth-rates/default/
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