COD: Axis Not playable in Campaign

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Jamin 7 hours ago#1 I asked Activision Executive Vice President, Rob Kostich, if going back to the series's WW2 roots was a response to this backlash. Kostich said that while they're always listening to fan feedback, "given our three-year development cycle, we made this decision long before we even knew what the response would be to Black Ops 3, let alone Infinite Warfare." "As you know, Black Ops 3 has gone on to become one of the most successful games in Call of Duty Franchise history," Kostich told me (According to Statista it's the fifth-best-selling game in the franchise.) "So World War II was a bit of a departure at the time, but we felt it was the right creative direction, and the right time to go back to where it all started. After seeing the response from the reveal, it is pretty clear that it was the right decision." "Coming off Modern Warfare 3, we heard the fans ask for innovation loud and clear," Condrey says. "That helped shape a lot of the creative choices we made on Advanced Warfare. Now it’s clear that there is tremendous excitement from fans to go back to a more grounded combat style, and we're confident that they’ll love the way WWII feels." https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/05/25/call-of-duty-world-war-2-wasnt-a-response-to-fan-backlash/#24d2bc4f1d83 There is more in the link, he does go into the 'little details' of the graphics in the game, but obviously they are being pretty tight lipped about gameplay details until this E3. Also, confirmation about Axis in the campaign: [ Android | Xbox | Xbox 360 | Xbox One ] - [ 1John 1:9 ] "Medals don't help me sleep at night, Lambert." - Sam Fisher quote

Rome218 7 hours ago#2 I don't think the axis was ever playable in a cod campaign (I never played 3). I don't think I'd want to play as the enemy, killing Americans and allies, personally. quote

Nevercomingdown 7 hours ago#3 It could potentially be really cool to see the war from both sides.. guess we'll have to wait for a braver company GT: Elesp || PSN: DestroyTheEnd quote

natevines 6 hours ago#4 Rome218 posted... I don't think the axis was ever playable in a cod campaign (I never played 3). I don't think I'd want to play as the enemy, killing Americans and allies, personally. It could be cool. I mean, you can do that in MP so I don't know why it's too controversial for a campaign. Even for film (Clint Eastwood did that Iwo Jima film from the Japanese perspective). I guess writing a back story would be too humanizing. quote

TheCyborgNinja 6 hours ago#5 I think the best way to incorporate the Axis would be to play as Germany for Operation: Barbarossa, which then goes horribly and you switch to Russia and the Western Allies for the push to Berlin. "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 quote

MRL3G3ND 6 hours ago#6 why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian The Beauty of Fallout 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWI8jil6mg quote

Dfy556 5 hours ago#7 Rome218 posted... I don't think the axis was ever playable in a cod campaign (I never played 3). I don't think I'd want to play as the enemy, killing Americans and allies, personally. It's just a game, who cares. I like playing as the Axis more in any game I get to simply because our stupid country loves to only look at one side of that war. Company of Heroes was great as the Germans, you had the opportunity to use much different armor and weapon teams. Plus it's from a different perspective. People can enjoy being part of the Axis without actually buying into the beliefs of the time too. It's nice to change things up instead of once again playing as a stereotypical American or British soldier. quote

Dfy556 5 hours ago#8 MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. quote

seankimberley42 5 hours ago#9 Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Yeah yeah yeah there's different sides. One of them tried to commit genicide. Twilight is like Soccer: 2 hours of people running around, no one scoring and millions of fans telling me I don't get it. - Maliice quote

Jiggy101011 5 hours ago#10 Wait, did people really think they started working on the game right after IW and Battlefields WW1? People aren't that stupid, are they? Gamertag: F1RE v2 PSN ID: F1REx Man got me a 9 and she sexy. (edited 5 hours ago)quote

Rome218 5 hours ago#11 seankimberley42 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Yeah yeah yeah there's different sides. One of them tried to commit genicide. No, two of them. Japan was worst than nazi Germany. Killed as many Koreans as Nazis killed Jews, and killed even more Chinese.  I don't know why our culture refuses to teach or acknowledge this. quote

Rome218 4 hours ago#12 Dfy556 posted... Rome218 posted... I don't think the axis was ever playable in a cod campaign (I never played 3). I don't think I'd want to play as the enemy, killing Americans and allies, personally. It's just a game, who cares. I like playing as the Axis more in any game I get to simply because our stupid country loves to only look at one side of that war. Company of Heroes was great as the Germans, you had the opportunity to use much different armor and weapon teams. Plus it's from a different perspective. People can enjoy being part of the Axis without actually buying into the beliefs of the time too. It's nice to change things up instead of once again playing as a stereotypical American or British soldier. It's my opinion that I dont want to play a game where I'm under the nazi flag or imperial Japan murdering American soldiers. If others are cool with it, that's their opinion. I dont think you will find a shortage of US leftists who would love to play as the other side because many of them always see us as evil, and will sooner defend Palestein than the US. (edited 4 hours ago)quote

FlyEaglesFly24 4 hours ago#13 Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Wrong on so many levels. To even insinuate that the Nazis weren't evil is an insult to those who died in the camps. And for the record, the moral argument was well documented back then on both sides. Both sides thought they were in the right. However, as another poster already pointed out, only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder. Put the controller down and go learn your history before you say something that ignorant again. Not changing this signature until Ben Simmons plays his first game. October 2nd, 2016 quote

Rome218 3 hours ago#14 FlyEaglesFly24 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Wrong on so many levels. To even insinuate that the Nazis weren't evil is an insult to those who died in the camps. And for the record, the moral argument was well documented back then on both sides. Both sides thought they were in the right. However, as another poster already pointed out, only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder. Put the controller down and go learn your history before you say something that ignorant again. Stop forgetting Japan! quote

SixStringHero 3 hours ago#15 They could tastefully do a campaign from the perspective of the Wemacht, Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine as they were soldiers fighting for their country and were not actually Nazis. Company of Heroes (RTS) had an entire campaign from the perspective of the Germans. I don't care about the altitude, I just want another drink. quote

Fayt23 3 hours ago#16 Jiggy101011 posted... Wait, did people really think they started working on the game right after IW and Battlefields WW1? People aren't that stupid, are they? Yes they been like this when the series had two years of development time. They notice it comes out yearly and they think it didn't take long for them to churn it out. My backlog: http://backloggery.com/divinetrinity Lick, Lick, Lick: http://i.imgur.com/OpO5T38.gif quote

DirkMcGurkin 2 hours ago#17 seankimberley42 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Yeah yeah yeah there's different sides. One of them tried to commit genicide. Most villains aren't even evil enough to do that. Gamertag: Dirk McGurkin quote

IChangedMyName 2 hours ago#18 Rome218 posted... seankimberley42 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Yeah yeah yeah there's different sides. One of them tried to commit genicide. No, two of them. Japan was worst than nazi Germany. Killed as many Koreans as Nazis killed Jews, and killed even more Chinese.  I don't know why our culture refuses to teach or acknowledge this. No, three of them. Italy had Mussolini way before Adolf took over Germany and killed MORE than Adolf. EDIT : Ignore that, confused Mussolini with Stalin I play a lil bit of everything on a lil bit of everything. Not changing this until we get a Viewtiful Joe 3 or HD collection of VJ 1&2 (started 8/14/12) (edited 2 hours ago)quote

BalisticWarri0r 2 hours ago#19 Reminds me of when Medal of Honor allowed you to play as the Taliban in multiplayer and people lost their s*** so they day one patched it to make them called Insurgents. quote

GhostMaker1988 2 hours ago#20 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 quote

FlyEaglesFly24 1 hour ago#21 Rome218 posted... FlyEaglesFly24 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Wrong on so many levels. To even insinuate that the Nazis weren't evil is an insult to those who died in the camps. And for the record, the moral argument was well documented back then on both sides. Both sides thought they were in the right. However, as another poster already pointed out, only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder. Put the controller down and go learn your history before you say something that ignorant again. Stop forgetting Japan! I'm sorry. Did Japan have death camps and gas chambers? Not changing this signature until Ben Simmons plays his first game. October 2nd, 2016 quote

natevines 1 hour ago#22 You said in your original post, "only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder." Yes, the Japanese had camps. They weren't on the scale of what the Nazis did, though. But look up Unit 731, look up Nanking. In a way, the Nazis look humane by comparison; the Japanese just did their mass slaughter of innocents in the streets. quote

vashkey 1 hour ago#23 Jiggy101011 posted... Wait, did people really think they started working on the game right after IW and Battlefields WW1? People aren't that stupid, are they? Not everyone has an interest in learning even the basics of games development. Which is fine. From the outside if you dont pay close attention CoD WWII might look like a reaction to the last few CoDs. quote

Rome218 1 hour ago#24 natevines posted... You said in your original post, "only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder." Yes, the Japanese had camps. They weren't on the scale of what the Nazis did, though. But look up Unit 731, look up Nanking. In a way, the Nazis look humane by comparison; the Japanese just did their mass slaughter of innocents in the streets. They killed 6 million Korean people and even more Japanese people, and how can we forget about Stalin? Soviet Union killed more people than the nazis and Japanese. Ichangemyname is right. Our left wing media always portrayed Stalin politely as Uncle Joe and never brought up the fact that he mass murdered his people.(I am not trying to get into politics on this thread, but it's true.) (edited 1 hour ago)quote

natevines 1 hour ago#25 Rome218 posted... natevines posted... You said in your original post, "only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder." Yes, the Japanese had camps. They weren't on the scale of what the Nazis did, though. But look up Unit 731, look up Nanking. In a way, the Nazis look humane by comparison; the Japanese just did their mass slaughter of innocents in the streets. They killed 6 million Korean people and even more Japanese people, and how can we forget about Stalin? Soviet Union killed more people than the nazis and Japanese. Ichangemyname is right. Our left wing media always portrayed Stalin politely as Uncle Joe and never brought up the fact that he mass murdered his people.(I am not trying to get into politics on this thread, but it's true.) That's actually a really interesting point because CoD 2 let you play as the heroic USSR in the campaign. Hollywood made a film glorifying them (Enemy at the Gates). I guess ANYONE is better than the Nazis, although it's really debatable amongst those two sides. quote

Rome218 1 hour ago#26 natevines posted... Rome218 posted... natevines posted... You said in your original post, "only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder." Yes, the Japanese had camps. They weren't on the scale of what the Nazis did, though. But look up Unit 731, look up Nanking. In a way, the Nazis look humane by comparison; the Japanese just did their mass slaughter of innocents in the streets. They killed 6 million Korean people and even more Japanese people, and how can we forget about Stalin? Soviet Union killed more people than the nazis and Japanese. Ichangemyname is right. Our left wing media always portrayed Stalin politely as Uncle Joe and never brought up the fact that he mass murdered his people.(I am not trying to get into politics on this thread, but it's true.) That's actually a really interesting point because CoD 2 let you play as the heroic USSR in the campaign. Hollywood made a film glorifying them (Enemy at the Gates). I guess ANYONE is better than the Nazis, although it's really debatable amongst those two sides. I feel I derail too many threads with politics. >_< But all I am going to say, left leaning entertainment industry and media, favorable treatment towards the Soviet Union. That's all I am gonna say about left wing or right wing, I am gonna try to stop with the politics. :P quote

Dfy556 33 minutes ago#27 seankimberley42 posted... Dfy556 posted... MRL3G3ND posted... why would you want too? very few games where you play as the villian That's an ignorant misconception. War has no heroes or villains, the idea of good and bad in war is propaganda. Not every allied or axis soldier was bad, not every one was good either. War is just war. Lots of killing, not many questions or contemplating orders. At least not in the field which is where these games are set. Men killed or were killed, I doubt there were very many that thought about whether or not it was right or wrong when bullets were flying their way. BUT you are right at the same time, not many games let you play as the perceived "villain" and it sucks. It results in a lot of stagnation. Yeah yeah yeah there's different sides. One of them tried to commit genicide. Um, no, not exactly. The government maybe, and certainly SS forces, but beyond that you can't say that for certain. Do you also believe the US government fights its own battles? Lol. I don't remember ever seeing Obama or Bush in Afghanistan fighting alongside the troops. Same story in WW2, same story in any modern war.  If you're arguing that the Axis governments were bad, I'll give you that, but don't lump the army in with the politicians. That's ignorant. You can't just ignore history and lump everything in Germany into one giant Nazi group. There's a difference and by perpetuating sentiment that all Germans back then were Nazis just contributes to misinformation. (edited 29 minutes ago)quote

Sabre_Pendragon 30 minutes ago#28 natevines posted... You said in your original post, "only one of the two sides was rounding up innocents and implementing a plan of mass murder." Yes, the Japanese had camps. They weren't on the scale of what the Nazis did, though. But look up Unit 731, look up Nanking. In a way, the Nazis look humane by comparison; the Japanese just did their mass slaughter of innocents in the streets. His original post still stands tho. Since of the two sides, Japan and Germany we're on the same side. quote

lunaticcore 15 minutes ago#29 If anything this thread proves we need more accurate history in our entertainment, and not less. Endless Final Fantasy 2017 Jan FF1, Feb FF2/FF3(done), March FF4/FF5 April FF6/7  May FF8/9 June FFX/X-2 July FFXII (HD july 11th) quote

Dfy556 2 minutes ago#30 lunaticcore posted... If anything this thread proves we need more accurate history in our entertainment, and not less. But we're the good guys!!!  Yeah, it would be nice if everything was historically accurate, but you also have to remember history is written by the victors. The West won; therefore they were heroes. At least some other posters brought up Stalin's purges and Japan's far greater fanaticism. Japan had a suicidal army ready to literally go to the very last man in defense of their divine emperor (who btw never had to answer for his war crimes). And they actually would have, unlike the Germans who were frequently surrendering towards the end of the war. Although, Hitler did expect the same of his people, but they weren't going to. Multiple accounts of the Wehrmacht evacuating German civilians before the Red Army (who happily executed surrendering German soldiers by the truckload, although who could blame them after what the Einsatzgruppen did) showed up.  I'm not saying the Nazis were good, but people should understand the difference between a ruling political party and the armed forces of a country. They do not always share beliefs with one another. One is controlled by the other, and thus must comply.  Oh and since nobody mentioned it FDR set up plenty of concentration (that's forced labor) camps in the United States, where Japanese Americans were forcibly relocated to. But nobody talks about those. (edited 1 minute ago)quote

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