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My last topic was closed for, I dunno, posting a video feed of a rally? With no violence going on? Anyway, This point seemed contentious, and the usual crowd went into full denial mode, so I'll oput this as simply as possible.
Obama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial. https://www.aclu.org/news/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law There are other examples---many other examples---of Obama's anti-freedom policy, but this is the most universally egregious. All you have to do is point to me something Trump has done that is more anti-freedom than that, and I will make a new topic where I thoroughly praise Obama and denounce Trump. I'll wait!
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Doom_Art posted...
u serious mate
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E32005 posted...
hes going all out! I don't know what has Mal so upset today
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Burgess posted...
Provide the other many examples. Starting a manhunt for a whistleblower who proved Obama's National Security Agency was breaking the 4th Amendment. Imprisoning a whistleblower who released a video of soldiers murdering innocent people. Using the IRS to persecute political opponents. Ordered extrajudicial assassination of American citizens. I mean how many do you want?
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Doom_Art posted...
E32005 posted...hes going all out! woke up and realized O'Reilly's off the air |
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Mal_Fet posted...
Burgess posted...Provide the other many examples. citations needed
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E32005 posted...
woke up and realized O'Reilly's off the air Lol that's the one upside to all this Trump business First Milo, then O'Reilly, then the rest of Fox it seems Turns out horrid Republican presidents are terrible for righty "news"
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Burgess posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Burgess posted...Provide the other many examples. Lol wait, have you really not heard of Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning? Not even gonna entertain you with that. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/07/23/19-facts-on-irs-targeting-president-obama-cant-blame-on-republicans/#1c8273331f22 https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obamas-extrajudicial-killers-subvert-american-values
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Mal_Fet posted...
Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning? Releasing info to the public is one thing, releasing it to a private organization is another. And in the case of Snowden, in which he ran to a hostile foreign country, Iunno what else is supposed to happen there. That said, I'm happy Manning was pardoned by Obama, who is such a tyrant, apparently.
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Doom_Art posted...
I could have sworn CE was mad when she was pardoned |
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hockeybub89 posted...
I could have sworn CE was mad when she was pardoned Mal's boy Trump was damn pissed the "traitor" Manning was pardoned.
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Most of the people on the right are including myself are very quick to criticize Trump when he steps out of line. lol
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Burgess posted...
Provide the other many examples. Jailing more whistle-blowers than every other president combined, charging several of them with false crimes that even the judges in charge of the trials call out the bulls*** on the merits of the government's case/argument in order to slander their names. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/us/times-reporter-james-risen-will-not-be-called-to-testify-in-leak-case-lawyers-say.html?_r=0 http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests/ https://www.propublica.org/article/delayed-denied-dismissed-failures-on-the-foia-front https://www.aclu.org/blog/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526 |
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Most of the people on the right are including myself are very quick to criticize Trump when he steps out of line. Yet the hardcore Obama shills call us Trumpanzees, Trumpeteers, etc. Lol. You're right. People like you are far worse. Hardliners. |
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scar the 1 posted...
Well Trump hasn't really done much of anything. Except fire a guy who was currently leading an investigation into him. Which doesn't impede the investigation in any way, just like it doesn't impede every other investigation the FBI is currently undertaking.
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Mal_Fet posted...
So can anyone actually answer my challenge in the OP, or... Obama got 8 years to f*** up. Trump has had a few months. Give him the time he needs. |
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...So can anyone actually answer my challenge in the OP, or... So in other words, Obama has a way worse track record on freedom than Trump does. Correct?
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scar the 1 posted...
Trump doesn't have a track record at all yet. Your comparison is like asking "is it hotter today, or outside?". Doesn't make sense. You're so full of it. When Trump failed to repeal the most major overhaul to our healthcare system in decades within two months, he's an unquestionable failure. But when it comes to comparing him to things Obama did relatively early in his presidency? "Whoa man, hold your horses. Let's give Trump some time so we can see what he's really about. (But until then we'll keep pretending like he's worse than Obama.)"
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...So can anyone actually answer my challenge in the OP, or... Trump doesn't have a record. This is like saying a rookie in his first playoff game has a better track record than the 37 year old veteran who played in 4 finals. We can't talk about about the rookie's body of work, but his individual games until he builds a resume. |
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Mal_Fet posted...
You're so full of it. 1. Go ahead and show me where I said he's a failure. 2. Do you really not see the error you're making in comparing an 8-year presidency (an entire track record) with a presidency so sort that he hasn't even had the time to sign a single bill yet? I even agree that Obama did some pretty bad things. But you're either being incompetent or dishonest with your comparison. A fair comparison would be to look at what Obama's track record looked like some 120 days into his first term.
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Mal_Fet posted...
Obama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial. Has Trump repealed this, or is this the basis from which he is operating? Obama was trash, yes. But what I see from Trump is a continuation of Obama's trash policies at best.
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Doom_Art posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...Most of the people on the right are including myself are very quick to criticize Trump when he steps out of line. Lmao
I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen...
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...So can anyone actually answer my challenge in the OP, or... Stop it as a response to how in another topic that got close, the usual suspects or acting like it was an insane statement to say that Obama was bad for freedom And a much more sway than Trump.
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Mal, don't you realize that pointing out Obama's many faults doesn't validate Trump in any way? In other words, Obama may have been a s***ty President, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is nothing more than an ignoramus and a political neophyte who pulled the wool over the eyes of nearly 25% of Americans.
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mustachedmystic posted...
Mal, don't you realize that pointing out Obama's many faults doesn't validate Trump in any way? In other words, Obama may have been a s***ty President, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is nothing more than an ignoramus and a political neophyte who pulled the wool over the eyes of nearly 25% of Americans. Yes, but the statement that Obama has a way worse track record on freedom than Trump does is still true, regardless of the scoffing of doom_art and the like. Which makes it especially weird how people who claim to be liberals give Obama a pass for all the s*** he's done yet are acting like Trump is literally Satan when he's done nothing remotely as awful as their messiah.
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Did we go from "but Hillary" to "but Obama?"
It's a shame Trump never looks good on his own merits. |
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mustachedmystic posted...
Give him time Mal, he will surly pass Obama in record time. The funny thing is, whenever he says that Trump has delivered on all his campaign promises he always gets reduced down to saying "give him some time" whenever you name things that haven't happened yet.
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scar the 1 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Yes, but the statement that Obama has a way worse track record on freedom than Trump does is still true, Not really. What's dishonest is acting as if Trump is the second coming of Hitler when you never criticised Obama as harshly. TheVipaGTS posted... Why is Mal so trash? What happened to him irl? Lol shut up, Viper. Mike_Stanton posted... mustachedmystic posted...Give him time Mal, he will surly pass Obama in record time. I never said he delivered on all his campaign promises...wtf are you even talking about
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I like how Mal got buttdevestated because people unfairly compare Trump's total projected vacation time to Obama only for him to do the literal same exact thing with their legislative records. The f***s up with that?You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master!Mike_Stanton posted...Mal_Fet posted...
I never said he delivered on all his campaign promises...wtf are you even talking about
It's very convenient that CE doesn't archive posts, isn't it?
The statement is completely nonsensical. Of course he hasn't accomplished all his campaign promises. Obama didn't even accomplish half of his within 8 years. But that's ok! Obama wasn't a failure for not getting us out of the Middle East, not reducing the debt, not causing millions of people to lose their plans under Obamacare...!
But when Trump takes a few months longer to repeal Obamacare? Hooooly s***, worst. president. ever.
You're all jokes. Every last one of ya.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellResponse based just on OP, the NDAA is the most abused mandatory annual bill ever. It's literally the defense budget and includes funding for ongoing construction and crap for the year.
The president is basically forced to sign it, there's not much leeway to argue about what goes in it or not.Hexenherz posted...Response based just on OP, the NDAA is the most abused mandatory annual bill ever. It's literally the defense budget and includes funding for ongoing construction and crap for the year.
The president is basically forced to sign it, there's not much leeway to argue about what goes in it or not.
Yeah that's bulls***. The president is the CoC of the military; he ultimately gets to decide what goes into the NDAA.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Hexenherz posted...
Response based just on OP, the NDAA is the most abused mandatory annual bill ever. It's literally the defense budget and includes funding for ongoing construction and crap for the year.
The president is basically forced to sign it, there's not much leeway to argue about what goes in it or not.
Yeah that's bulls***. The president is the CoC of the military; he ultimately gets to decide what goes into the NDAA.
It's a federal law that's reviewed and approved by congress...Hexenherz posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Response based just on OP, the NDAA is the most abused mandatory annual bill ever. It's literally the defense budget and includes funding for ongoing construction and crap for the year.
The president is basically forced to sign it, there's not much leeway to argue about what goes in it or not.
Yeah that's bulls***. The president is the CoC of the military; he ultimately gets to decide what goes into the NDAA.
It's a federal law that's reviewed and approved by congress...
And the president is able to not sign it if he doesn't like it.
The govt doesn't shut down if it's not signed as soon as it his the president's desk.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellEven if he vetoes it, it can still be passed by a majority congressional vote... it's like basic US government function 101.
And again, delaying the passing of the NDAA can theoretically have some crappy consequences for a lot of DoD affairs/programs/contracts/etc. It's not something you want to just sit on and negotiate about.Mal_Fet posted...Doom_Art posted...
Doom_Art posted...
u serious mate
So can you do it or not?
Why do you care? Aren't you a libertarian follower of Johnson?Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Not a totally fair comparison - one served eight years, one has served less than half a year.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)Mal_Fet posted...The statement is completely nonsensical. Of course he hasn't accomplished all his campaign promises.
Which completely contradicts your own words.
Mal_Fet posted...Obama didn't even accomplish half of his within 8 years. But that's ok! Obama wasn't a failure for not getting us out of the Middle East, not reducing the debt, not causing millions of people to lose their plans under Obamacare...!But when Trump takes a few months longer to repeal Obamacare? Hooooly s***, worst. president. ever.
I'm sorry, did I say anything about Obama fulfilling all of his campaign promises?RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009
Prove me wrongKim Kusanagi posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Doom_Art posted...
u serious mate
So can you do it or not?
Why do you care? Aren't you a libertarian follower of Johnson?
I'll take that as a "no".
Zero_Destroyer posted...Not a totally fair comparison - one served eight years, one has served less than half a year.
But why are so-called liberals not more furious with Obama than Trump?
Is their anger purely out of anticipation of horrible things he might do?
Mike_Stanton posted...Which completely contradicts your own words.
No it doesn't, because I never claimed otherwise.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Not really.
What's dishonest is acting as if Trump is the second coming of Hitler when you never criticised Obama as harshly.
With the rhetoric Trump uses, the budget he proposes, and the firing he's done? Did Obama do comparable things in his first four months?
I'm pretty sure that if Obama fired someone who was leading an investigation against him he'd get criticism, too. Not a lot of presidents have done that.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.scar the 1 posted...
With the rhetoric Trump uses, the budget he proposes, and the firing he's done?
Who cares about rhetoric? Obama was always like "aw shucks folks, I'm just a regular charming guy!" while doing horrible things behind closed doors.
And what about the budget? Less spending is paramount to stripping people of their basic freedoms now?
And the firing of Comey that the Democrats were calling for literally the other week, which does nothing to impede any investigation against Trump? That's your strongest argument here and it's a complete non-issue.
Why must you catastrophize everything like this? Is it because you know that Obama really was worse than Trump is?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Who cares about rhetoric? Obama was always like "aw shucks folks, I'm just a regular charming guy!" while doing horrible things behind closed doors.
And what about the budget? Less spending is paramount to stripping people of their basic freedoms now?
And the firing of Comey that the Democrats were calling for literally the other week, which also does nothing to impede any investigation against Trump?
Why must you catastrophize everything like this? Is it because you know that Obama really was worse than Trump is, and without exaggerating his deeds it will be too obvious that you're a hypocrite?
A lot of people care, because his rhetoric is how he builds opinion. A lot of people are worried, because he made pretty worrying promises in his campaign.
The budget is defunding public functions like schools, EPA, NPR and countless other things. Giving the private sector free reign isn't really "good for freedom".
Of course the firing of Comey can affect the investigation. Let's wait and see who gets appointed and what happens. Also, try and acknowledge that this is something that has never been done before, except by Nixon who did something similar. It deserves attention.
I'm not "catastrophizing" anything. Trump has done a lot of extraordinary things (albeit he's produced few actual results), of course people will talk about him a lot.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.scar the 1 posted...A lot of people care, because his rhetoric is how he builds opinion. A lot of people are worried, because he made pretty worrying promises in his campaign.
f***ing sentimental bulls***. I don't care what people say, I care what they do, and so should you. Otherwise you will go through life worshipping liars like Obama.
scar the 1 posted...The budget is defunding public functions like schools, EPA, NPR and countless other things. Giving the private sector free reign isn't really "good for freedom".
Lol, our public schools are still the best-funded in the world per student and they produce the worst results of any developed nation. Throwing more money at them isn't going to make them better. The EPA is similarly regulation-happy with little benefit. And NPR? Really now? There aren't enough political talk radio stations out there?
The private sector is and always has been the driving force behind the advancement of quality of life. We learned this 30 years ago when the Community superpower crumbled after starving its population to death with its "fair" wealth redistribution and government control of the means of production.
scar the 1 posted...Of course the firing of Comey can affect the investigation. Let's wait and see who gets appointed and what happens. Also, try and acknowledge that this is something that has never been done before, except by Nixon who did something similar. It deserves attention.
Lol, Trump had the support of the attorney general and the Democrats in the firing of Comey, much unlike Nixon. And since Garland is one of the proposed candidates to take his place, it doesn't exactly seem like Trump is gonna put Ivanka in there.
And no, the FBI is a huge organization with many middle managers dealing with separate investigations. Comey does not head investigations personally, which is why firing him didn't bring the FBI to a halt like you seem to think it did.
scar the 1 posted...I'm not "catastrophizing" anything. Trump has done a lot of extraordinary things (albeit he's produced few actual results), of course people will talk about him a lot.
You are catastrophizing crap like spending cuts because you know that nothing Trump did comes anywhere close to the evil things Obama did.
Just admit that and then we can discus the intricacies of Trump's policies.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellWhere did you ever get the idea that I worship Obama? I'm from Sweden, every presidential election I've seen has been "bad or worse" from my perspective.
Your analysis of the public functions is facetious and tired.
The private sector is important, I never made a case for communism. My point is only that the government should work to safeguard the rights of individuals as well as enterprises, and the proposed cutbacks don't look to do that.
And I'm still not "catastrophizing" anything. Trump deserves criticism on his rhetoric, agenda, policies and actions. Because he's the POTUS. Obama isn't. When he was, he deserved the same thing.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.byron posted...Mal_Fet posted...
bama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial.
Has Trump repealed that?
When is he going to find time, when he spends 3 days a week playing golf while charging the american taxpayer to do so.The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact.
Everything else, is theory.loafy013 posted...byron posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
bama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial.
Has Trump repealed that?
When is he going to find time, when he spends 3 days a week playing golf while charging the american taxpayer to do so.
I'm sure he can fit the EO into a 160 letter tweetZMythos posted...Didn't Trump deny housing to tons black people because they were black?
No.
byron posted...byron posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
bama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial.
Has Trump repealed that?
@Mal_Fet
Following an outcry (entirely from Republicans and Libertarians) Obama's 2012 NDAA didn't include that language.
So he supports anti-freedom policies as long as he can get away with it under a Democrat congress.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...ZMythos posted...
Didn't Trump deny housing to tons black people because they were black?
No.
byron posted...byron posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
bama signed into law the 2011 NDAA which made it legal to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without trial.
Has Trump repealed that?
@Mal_Fet
Following an outcry (entirely from Republicans and Libertarians) Obama's 2012 NDAA didn't include that language.
So he supports anti-freedom policies as long as he can get away with it under a Democrat congress.
Oh so Obama did? Thanks Obama.hibyron posted...
Oh so Obama did? Thanks Obama
Lol. This is like giving Trump credit for stopping the travel ban because he kept getting resistance from other politicians when he tried to implement it.
Are you really that dishonest?
Kim Kusanagi posted...
Are you finally admitting you are a trumpanzee then?
Can you answer the question in the OP?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Lol. This is like giving Trump credit for stopping the travel ban because he kept getting resistance from other politicians.
It wasn't so much "resistance from other politicians" as much as it was "ruled to be unconstitutional by the Judiciary on two separate occasions"Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009
http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.pngMal_Fet posted...Can you answer the question in the OP?
Mal_Fet posted...My last topic was closed for, I dunno, posting a video feed of a rally? With no violence going on?
Why would I be able to answer that, I am not a mod.
Question answered, now stop deflecting, trumpanzee, and answer mine.Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Doom_Art posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Lol. This is like giving Trump credit for stopping the travel ban because he kept getting resistance from other politicians.
It wasn't so much "resistance from other politicians" so much as it was "was ruled to be unconstitutional by the Judiciary on two separate occasions"
No actually the last one was blocked because Hawaii judge made up some nonsense about it hurting their economy from tourism. If it actually were unconstitutional then Obama couldn't have done the same thing in 2013.
But Trump stopped his own "unconstitutional" travel ban! What a hero! Just like how Obama is a hero for stopping his Orwellian nightmare!Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...No actually the last one was blocked because Hawaii judge made up some nonsense
Now now Mal, just because you're upset, that doesn't mean the Judiciary is "making up nonsense"
At least you didn't toss out that cliche "activist judge" line the alt-right is so fond of.
Mal_Fet posted...But Trump stopped his own "unconstitutional" travel ban!
Actually no, he tried once, and as was said, the judiciary knocked it down.
Then he tried again and it was shot down again.Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009
http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.pngDoom_Art posted...Now now Mal, just because you're upset, that doesn't mean the Judiciary is "making up nonsense"
Youre right. Hawaiians could not have made do without the extra $500 in their economy from their Libyan tourists.
Doom_Art posted...Actually no, he tried once, and as was said, the judiciary knocked it down.
Then he tried again and it was shot down again.
So he stopped it! Just like How Obama stopped the 2011 NDAA thanks to political pressure!"
Thanks, Trump!Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...So he stopped it!
If he stopped after the first try and didn't try for it again, you may be on to something :PNot removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009
http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.pngDoom_Art posted...If he stopped after the first try and didn't try for it again, you may be on to something :P
Only took him a couple months to atop his "unconstitutional" bill, but it took Obama over a year to change his legitimately horrifying and impeach-worthy stain on American freedoms.
Kim Kusanagi posted...Mal_Fet posted...
What has Trump done that's worse than Obama's 2011 NDAA?
Since day 1 or just last week, trumpanzee?
Any timeframe is acceptable.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Any timeframe is acceptable.
Very well
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/27/9-terrible-things-president-trump-has-done-in-just-a-week_partner/
http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2017/01/here-are-23-terrifying-things-president-trump-has-done-last-seven-days
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/04/29/donald-trump-has-said-100s-of-false-things-heres-all-of-them.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html
https://news.vice.com/story/trump-lawsuits-presidential-legal-immunity
NOT INCLUDING:
Firing the FBI director because his investigation might potentially harm him AND THEN publicly threatening a potential witness via twitterLive to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Kim Kusanagi posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Any timeframe is acceptable.
Very well
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/27/9-terrible-things-president-trump-has-done-in-just-a-week_partner/
http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2017/01/here-are-23-terrifying-things-president-trump-has-done-last-seven-days
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/04/29/donald-trump-has-said-100s-of-false-things-heres-all-of-them.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html
https://news.vice.com/story/trump-lawsuits-presidential-legal-immunity
NOT INCLUDING:
Firing the FBI director because his investigation might potentially harm him AND THEN publicly threatening a potential witness via twitter
You're joking, right? You made me spend 10 minutes reading partisan quabbles? And the Comey nonsense that doesnt actually inhibit the FBI from investigating him?
Look: pick out the WORST thing you believe he did and I will carefully explain to you why it isnt even close to as bad as srtipping Americans of their 7th amendment rights.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...You made me spend 10 minutes reading partisan quabbles?
Bahaha, your "fake news" cry is so old it's been shot down already. Find a new and better narrative.Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Kim Kusanagi posted...Mal_Fet posted...
You made me spend 10 minutes reading partisan quabbles?
Bahaha, your "fake news" cry is so old it's been shot down already. Find a new and better narrative.
No narrative. Obama is factually worse on freedom than Trump is and hypocrties are pretending like Trump is satan after sucking Obama's dick for 8 years.
"Oh, but the Dakota pipeline"
is not on the natives' land and is therefore not infringing on their rights. Find better arguments.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Kim Kusanagi posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You made me spend 10 minutes reading partisan quabbles?
Bahaha, your "fake news" cry is so old it's been shot down already. Find a new and better narrative.
No narrative. Obama is factually worse on freedom than Trump is and hypocrties are pretending like Trump is satan after sucking Obama's dick for 8 years.
"Oh, but the Dakota pipeline"
is not on the natives' land and is therefore not infringing on their rights. Find better arguments.
Nice how you cherry pick something and it's not about their rights.Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Mal_Fet posted...Yeah, its about nonsense environmentalist rhetoric.
LOL
"nonsense environmentalist rethoric"
Can a trumpanzee stoop any lower?
Keep moving goalposts.Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!- Boards
- Current Events
- Obama has a worse track record on freedom than Trump does.
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