May 2, 2017

The concept of cultural appropriation is based on Nazi ideology

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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#1
The claim that race is inextricable from culture is precisely the basis behind the idea of the aryan master race. Because their culture was relatively advanced compared to any other, they said it meant the race tied to that culture must be the best, instead of culture actually being a transcendent element that can be shared with anyone regardless of who they were born to.

Also, there's a funny sort of brattiness to taking ownership of a cultural symbol that you had no hand in inventing, which is one of the ways Hitler become so hateable.


This has been another liberal thought with Mal_Fet.
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lilORANG 5 hours ago#2
epik_fail1 5 hours ago#3
I have a lot of liberal views, but "cultural appropriation" is the dumbest buzzterm ever. Remember that Eminem was accused of cultural appropriation for doing rap and racism against him made many people say "he is white and can't rap". It's good to see that non racist blacks like Dr.Dre stood up for equality.
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Dampproof 5 hours ago#4
Nazi's were not the first peoples to adopt other cultures symbols, philosophies, icons etc. and incorporate them into their own.
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Giant_Aspirin 5 hours ago#5
i mean they were the National SOCIALIST Party. Coincidence? hmmmmmmm, you decide
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#6
Suddenly TC has problems with Nazism.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#7
Dampproof posted...
Nazi's were not the first peoples to adopt other cultures symbols, philosophies, icons etc. and incorporate them into their own.

I thiiiink you missed the point. The idea of cultural being connected to one's race, ergo the idea of cultural appropriation, is a Nazi ideology. Not adopting facets of other cultures.

In fact the Nazis were largely against mixing cultures.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#8
Kineth posted...
Suddenly TC has problems with Nazism.

If your head weren't so far up your ass that you saw everyone to the right of you as a Nazi then you'd know I always had.
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Giant_Aspirin 5 hours ago#9
Mal_Fet posted...
The idea of cultural being connected to one's race, ergo the idea of cultural appropriation,


but that's not what cultural appropriation is. 

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

so explain how 'the idea of cultural [sic] being connected to one's race" the same thing as "adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture" ?
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#10
You've literally apologized (as in a logical apology, not an "I'm sorry" apology) for Nazism.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#11
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
The idea of cultural being connected to one's race, ergo the idea of cultural appropriation,


but that's not what cultural appropriation is. 

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

so explain how 'the idea of cultural [sic] being connected to one's race" the same thing as "adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture" ?

If you actually read the OP you'd know that I'm referring specifically to the idea that a culture is something that is owned by a race and therefore should not be appropriated by another race.

Couldn't fit all that into the TT, which is just as well since that's really the only context the phrase "cultural appropriation" comes up.
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meingott 5 hours ago#12
Kineth s***posting earlier in the morning than ever
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#13
Kineth posted...
You've literally apologized (as in a logical apology, not an "I'm sorry" apology) for Nazism.

"Hey guys, it's not ok to assault people for being racists."

"NAZI APOLOGIST!!"
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#14
That wasn't your defense nor did I say it was ok. That also wasn't the only thing you've played Nazi apologist for.

meingott posted...
Kineth s***posting earlier in the morning than ever


Imagine apologizing for Mal Fet.
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Howl 5 hours ago#15
epik_fail1 posted...
I have a lot of liberal views, but "cultural appropriation" is the dumbest buzzterm ever. Remember that Eminem was accused of cultural appropriation for doing rap and racism against him made many people say "he is white and can't rap". It's good to see that non racist blacks like Dr.Dre stood up for equality.


Lol... Stood up for equality? You mean stood up to make a s*** ton of money.
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meingott 5 hours ago#16
Kineth, show me on the doll where Mal Fet touched you.
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#17
meingott posted...
Kineth, show me on the doll where Mal Fet touched you.


My sinister middle finger.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#18
Kineth posted...
That wasn't your defense nor did I say it was ok. That also wasn't the only thing you've played Nazi apologist for.

I'm not gonna entertain your vague accusations of nazi apologism.

Didn't you get mad once when I said that calling people racists is the only play in the leftist playbook? Well, thanks for proving me right. Again. :)
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meingott 5 hours ago#19
Kineth posted...
meingott posted...
Kineth, show me on the doll where Mal Fet touched you.


My sinister middle finger.


The one you shove up your own ass when you try to pry your head out of there?
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Howl posted...
epik_fail1 posted...
I have a lot of liberal views, but "cultural appropriation" is the dumbest buzzterm ever. Remember that Eminem was accused of cultural appropriation for doing rap and racism against him made many people say "he is white and can't rap". It's good to see that non racist blacks like Dr.Dre stood up for equality.


Lol... Stood up for equality? You mean stood up to make a s*** ton of money.


It was actually pretty risky to sign and promote a white rapper at that time. Dre took a gamble and it payed off enormously
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meingott 5 hours ago#22
Kineth posted...
meingott posted...

And here you were accusing me of s***posting.


No one needs to accuse you of s***posting, it's self evident.
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#23
meingott posted...

And here you were accusing me of s***posting.

Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...
That wasn't your defense nor did I say it was ok. That also wasn't the only thing you've played Nazi apologist for.

I'm not gonna entertain your vague accusations of nazi apologism.

Didn't you get mad once when I said that calling people racists is the only play in the leftist playbook? Well, thanks for proving me right. Again. :)


I haven't called you a Nazi or a racist. I have probably called you illiterate though.
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Any source or is this just a s*** posted assertion?

(that said, I'm still against the concept)
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epik_fail1 5 hours ago#25
Howl posted...
epik_fail1 posted...
I have a lot of liberal views, but "cultural appropriation" is the dumbest buzzterm ever. Remember that Eminem was accused of cultural appropriation for doing rap and racism against him made many people say "he is white and can't rap". It's good to see that non racist blacks like Dr.Dre stood up for equality.


Lol... Stood up for equality? You mean stood up to make a s*** ton of money.


Yes, he stood up to make s*** ton of money with his white bro.
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lilORANG 5 hours ago#26
Giant_Aspirin 5 hours ago#27
meingott posted...
Kineth posted...
meingott posted...
Kineth, show me on the doll where Mal Fet touched you.


My sinister middle finger.


The one you shove up your own ass when you try to pry your head out of there?


and you wonder why people think you're an insufferable clown, my goodness. like, you came into this topic and just started slinging s*** at a user. not at his posts, or his arguments, but him. do you feel better about yourself yet?
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#28
Kineth posted...
I haven't called you a Nazi or a racist.

Of course not. You just accused me of apologizing for them. Which is a lie, and it's a shame people like you don't get modded for flaming over that.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Any source or is this just a s*** posted assertion?

Well, the "National Socialism is nothing but applied biology" quote comes to mind. The idea that the nation is the race, and the race is the organism.

I mean, Nazi eugenics is a pretty well-known concept.
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Dampproof 5 hours ago#29
Mal_Fet posted...
Dampproof posted...
Nazi's were not the first peoples to adopt other cultures symbols, philosophies, icons etc. and incorporate them into their own.

I thiiiink you missed the point. The idea of cultural being connected to one's race, ergo the idea of cultural appropriation, is a Nazi ideology. Not adopting facets of other cultures.

In fact the Nazis were largely against mixing cultures.


Because cultural appropriation that occurred prior to the 20th century just didnt happen?
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer5 hours ago#30
Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...
I haven't called you a Nazi or a racist.

Of course not. You just accused me of apologizing for them. Which is a lie, and it's a shame people like you don't get modded for flaming over that.


So you're saying that your post accusing me of calling you a racist should be modded then.

Actually, you're saying that most of your posts should be modded since that's how you roll.

Either way, as you're wont to do, I'll just let the topic speak for itself.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#31
Dampproof posted...
Because cultural appropriation that occurred prior to the 20th century just didnt happen?

No, but that doesn't disqualify the concept that a headdress belongs exclusively to american indians is based on the same idea that Europe belongs to white people.
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meingott 5 hours ago#32
Giant_Aspirin posted...
meingott posted...
Kineth posted...
meingott posted...
Kineth, show me on the doll where Mal Fet touched you.


My sinister middle finger.


The one you shove up your own ass when you try to pry your head out of there?


and you wonder why people think you're an insufferable clown, my goodness. like, you came into this topic and just started slinging s*** at a user. not at his posts, or his arguments, but him. do you feel better about yourself yet?


you literally should've responded this way to Kineth, who literally entered this topic to do just that. are you illiterate? you've got a chip on your shoulder and you insist on targeting me, bro. when in reality if you were being fair and impartial you'd have said this to Kineth, not me. f*** off fam.
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GOATTHlEF 5 hours ago#33
lilORANG posted...
nobody post


Well you tried I guess voltick
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Dampproof 5 hours ago#34
Mal_Fet posted...
Dampproof posted...
Because cultural appropriation that occurred prior to the 20th century just didnt happen?

No, but that doesn't disqualify the concept that a headdress belongs exclusively to american indians is based on the same idea that Europe belongs to white people.


Okay? That still doesn't detract from the original point of Cultural Appropriation pre-dating your assertion that Nazi Germany invented it.
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Mal_Fet 5 hours ago#35
Dampproof posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Dampproof posted...
Because cultural appropriation that occurred prior to the 20th century just didnt happen?

No, but that doesn't disqualify the concept that a headdress belongs exclusively to american indians is based on the same idea that Europe belongs to white people.


Okay? That still doesn't detract from the original point of Cultural Appropriation pre-dating your assertion that Nazi Germany invented it.

I...didn't assert that Nazis invented the idea that cultural appropriation is bad. Or the idea that race is tied to culture.
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Dampproof 4 hours ago#36
Mal_Fet posted...
Dampproof posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Dampproof posted...
Because cultural appropriation that occurred prior to the 20th century just didnt happen?

No, but that doesn't disqualify the concept that a headdress belongs exclusively to american indians is based on the same idea that Europe belongs to white people.


Okay? That still doesn't detract from the original point of Cultural Appropriation pre-dating your assertion that Nazi Germany invented it.

I...didn't assert that Nazis invented the idea that cultural appropriation is bad. Or the idea that race is tied to culture.


Your OP which you've edited several times now stated that Nazi appropriation was the first to tie race to appropriation. Look at your own topic title: 
"The concept of cultural appropriation is based on Nazi ideology."
So once again. 

Dampproof posted...
Nazi's were not the first peoples to adopt other cultures symbols, philosophies, icons etc. and incorporate them into their own.
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Mal_Fet 4 hours ago#37
Dampproof posted...
Your OP which you've edited several times now stated that Nazi appropriation was the first to tie race to appropriation. Look at your own topic title:
"The concept of cultural appropriation is based on Nazi ideology."

Looks like you're under the false assumption that my statement implies the Nazis were the first to think that way.

Einstein's work on General Relativity is based on Newton. That doesn't mean Newton had the first model of gravity.

No, the Nazis were definitely not the first to tie race to culture. But everyone who did is always regarded as bad people in the history books.
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Dampproof 4 hours ago#38
Mal_Fet posted...
No, the Nazis were definitely not the first to tie race to culture. But everyone who did is always regarded as bad people in the history books.


Nobody regards the British as bad people for copying the Bowler Hat.

People seemed to be fine with the whole powered wig thing.

World War 2 soldiers were not regarded as bad people for the Mohawk.
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer4 hours ago#40
meingott posted...

It's sorta odd that people get on alt accounts and harass people on a dying message board.

How's that for s***posting?
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Mal_Fet 4 hours ago#41
Dampproof posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
No, the Nazis were definitely not the first to tie race to culture. But everyone who did is always regarded as bad people in the history books.


Nobody regards the British as bad people for copying the Bowler Hat.

People seemed to be fine with the whole powered wig thing.

World War 2 soldiers were not regarded as bad people for the Mohawk.

Ok, go back and read the OP again because you're way off.

Kineth posted...
How's that for s***posting?

Go read your first post ITT
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer4 hours ago#42
Mal_Fet posted...
Go read your first post ITT


Oh lawdy, 6 words is all it took?

Because that was simply an observation, not s***posting.

Anyway, I'm done with your gimmick of wasting time.
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Mal_Fet 4 hours ago#43
Kineth posted...
Because that was simply an observation, not s***posting.

No, it was a lie, ergo a s***post.
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Dampproof 4 hours ago#44
Mal_Fet posted...
Ok, go back and read the OP again because you're way off.


Mal_Fet posted...
But everyone who did is always regarded as bad people in the history books.


So I listed instances of Cultural Appropriation that aren't regarded as bad people in the history books. That was a counter-point to the quoted text.

Face it. The entire premise of this topic is flawed and was torpedoed by the first page.
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Isn't it a little early for Mal and Proud to be s***posting? I mean I thought Proud had a high quality job, so what is he doing s***posting so much here?
Kineth  BLM sympathizer4 hours ago#46
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isn't it a little early for Mal and Proud to be s***posting? I mean I thought Proud had a high quality job, so what is he doing s***posting so much here?


Oh, meingott is ProudClad? Guess I'll just ignore him.
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Mal_Fet 4 hours ago#47
Dampproof posted...
So I listed instances of Cultural Appropriation that aren't regarded as bad people in the history books.

Yeah, which are unrelated to the subject matter. Read the OP again, please.

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isn't it a little early for Mal and Proud to be s***posting?

Exams. Haven't slept.
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Kineth posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isn't it a little early for Mal and Proud to be s***posting? I mean I thought Proud had a high quality job, so what is he doing s***posting so much here?


Oh, meingott is ProudClad? Guess I'll just ignore him.

Yeah. Same with QuantumScript
Bok_Choi 1 hour ago#49
"The Nazis had issues with cultural appropriation therefore all cultural appropriation is tied to the Nazis"
kuwab0 1 hour ago#50
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    It takes a real moron to not understand the difference between profiting off work stolen from another culture and Nazi values tying race and culture together.
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    epik_fail1 posted...
    I have a lot of liberal views, but "cultural appropriation" is the dumbest buzzterm ever.

    This.
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    Mal_Fet 1 hour ago#53
    Bok_Choi posted...
    "The Nazis had issues with cultural appropriation therefore all cultural appropriation is tied to the Nazis"

    The idea that culture is tied with race was the central concept of the Nazi ideology, and it is the primary objection to cultual appropriation.

    To be more specific.
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    Mal_Fet posted...
    Bok_Choi posted...
    "The Nazis had issues with cultural appropriation therefore all cultural appropriation is tied to the Nazis"

    The idea that culture is tied with race was the central concept of the Nazi ideology, and it is the primary objection to cultual appropriation.

    To be more specific.

    It's not though.
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    Mal_Fet 1 hour ago#55
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Bok_Choi posted...
    "The Nazis had issues with cultural appropriation therefore all cultural appropriation is tied to the Nazis"

    The idea that culture is tied with race was the central concept of the Nazi ideology, and it is the primary objection to cultual appropriation.

    To be more specific.

    It's not though.

    Yeah it is

    Name an objection to cultural appropriation that isn't based on race
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    Mal_Fet posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Bok_Choi posted...
    "The Nazis had issues with cultural appropriation therefore all cultural appropriation is tied to the Nazis"

    The idea that culture is tied with race was the central concept of the Nazi ideology, and it is the primary objection to cultual appropriation.

    To be more specific.

    It's not though.

    Yeah it is

    Name an objection to cultural appropriation that isn't based on race

    What don't you understand about the word culture? Every St. Patrick's Day there are Irish people complaining about appropriation. When musicians from outside a genre take from another and profit on it, they're still accused of appropriation (like Skrillex was, for example). 

    Culture and race are not inherently tied together and culture can still be appropriated. You don't have to give a s*** about it, and I can't force you to stop being wrong, but can you at least stop pretending to have any idea what you're talking about?
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    MuayThai85 1 hour ago#57
    I had a Nigerian guy try to sell me weed and a hooker today (while I was holding my wife's hand, the girl was extremely hot as well, thought all the Nigerian ho's here were old and fat from I'd been told). He tried to use a Jamaican accent while talking to me. Guess he thought it would make him more trustworthy to a foreigner seeing as how Nigerians have an extremely bad rep in Thailand, especially Bangkok. He had one of those rasta hats on while clearly having a nearly shaved head. 

    Would that be considered cultural appropriation?
    How can one person post so much stupid s***?
    MuayThai85 posted...
    I had a Nigerian guy try to sell me weed and a hooker today (while I was holding my wife's hand, the girl was extremely hot as well, thought all the Nigerian ho's here were old and fat from I'd been told). He tried to use a Jamaican accent while talking to me. Guess he thought it would make him more trustworthy to a foreigner seeing as how Nigerians have an extremely bad rep in Thailand, especially Bangkok. He had one of those rasta hats on while clearly having a nearly shaved head. 

    Would that be considered cultural appropriation?

    Yeah
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    Broseph_Stalin 50 minutes ago#59
    1. Cultural appropriation has nothing to do with race
    2. Mal literally believes in Nazi conspiracy theories
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    kuwab0 posted...
    Hitler wouldn't wear dreadlocks

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    garan 21 minutes ago#61
    Cultural appropriation is complete bulls*** and its almost always used to criticize only white people.
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